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[Del]

In the midst of replaying DAO, all I can say is that I hope DA3 will follow the same format as the "spiritual successor to BG2" and avoids the awful design of DA2. I'm sure this has been discussed ad nausium and obviously everyone has their own opinion. I just feel very strongly that DAO did so many things right as a CRPG as opposed to DA2, which failed miserably. In fact, the only thing I liked more about DA2 was the talent/spell trees. Just about everything else related to gameplay was a big let down. 

But enough negativity. I want to say how much I am enjoying DAO right now. As far as I'm concerned, it blows its contemporaries away including Skyrim and the Witcher 2 and is probably in my top 3 games of all time, alongside Ultima IV and BG2. I can only hope DA3 will do the genre proud! 

[LinksOcarina]

CRPG is such a bad term.

Just call it a story-driven RPG, it follows those mechanics more than say, dungeon crawlers or power fantasies.

[Maria Caliban]

It's not coming out until late 2013 or 2014. I'm going to guess a great RPG comes out before then.

[Fast Jimmy]

I would love for this to be the next great RPG.

I have my reservations, but by the same token, we don't know all that much, either.

There are still elements which more hardcore RPG fans do not like, like a voiced main character, the dialogue wheel and auto-dialogue. On the other hand, we have heard promises that these systems are being retooled for better control, so a good balance could be struck.

They are using a longer development cycle (still shorter than DA:O, but possibly double what they did for DA2), however there is also an engine change to Frostbite 2, which could result in losing lots of resources, tools and technical knowhow that will eat up time to catch up.

The story will be (predictably) Mages vs. Templars. This is something we've seen in both DA games already (and which some people are a little tired of already, more than the Darkspawn) but, at the same time, certain elements that have been hinted at, like a possible stronghold base and having your choice of faction playing into the game could be a truly interesting/unique experience.


So, as I said... there are things I am, personally, cautious about. But there are things that have picqued my interest as well. If this game can surpass my level of satisfaction with DA2, that would be good. If it can meet my level of enjoyment of DA:O, I will be ecstatic. And if it surpasses it... well, that might be the day I get a Bioware tattoo inked on me.

[Navasha]

I am keeping my expectations in the lower levels for now. Far better to be elated by a game that is better than I expected than to be disappointed by a game that fall far short.

My only hope at this point is that they have learned from the mistakes made in DA2 and will make a far better product because of it. I don't have any real hope that it will meet or surpass DAO though. In my opinion games like DAO are recipes for greatness that are stumbled upon, then someone thinks they can "improve" it for mass marketing appeal in the following sequels. In the end you end up with something akin to a Bic Mac version of what was once a delicious tasty original burger someone had created.

Sometimes companies realize when they went too far and try to find a happier medium between the delicious original and the mass marketed knock-off. This is my expectation and hope for DA3. That doesn't mean I wouldn't love to be pleasantly surprised with all new delicious surprise of a game that blows me away.

[Roflbox]

Project Eternity or Wasteland 2 will be.

[Eshiaya]

My experience with the DA franchise was a bit backwards meaning I played DA2 before plant DAO, and while DA2 had its issues, it was a shock in a way going from DA2 to DAO, most notably for me the lack of voiced protagonist and the incredibly slow combat action when compared to DA2, which I found the most frustrating. Don't get me wrong i loved DAO, but I think sometimes DA2, which habits problems like every cave being 99% like one another, sometimes it gets too hard a treatment. Just my two cents.
I'm sure DA3 will be a game worth waiting for.

[Herr Uhl]

LinksOcarina wrote...

CRPG is such a bad term.

Just call it a story-driven RPG, it follows those mechanics more than say, dungeon crawlers or power fantasies.

CRPG is just that it is on a computer. Not sure what you're getting at.

[TEWR]

Loud noises!

EDIT: seriously though, I don't know if DA3 will be a good game or not. I hope it will, but my expectations are low.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 29 novembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It's not coming out until late 2013 or 2014. I'm going to guess a great RPG comes out before then.

Jane Austin: Unbridled.  An action packed RPG with plenty of softcore erotica and cover based combat.

[Rawgrim]

Roflbox wrote...

Project Eternity or Wasteland 2 will be.

Absolutely. Still...I have hopes for DA3 too.

[Rawgrim]

Herr Uhl wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

CRPG is such a bad term.

Just call it a story-driven RPG, it follows those mechanics more than say, dungeon crawlers or power fantasies.

CRPG is just that it is on a computer. Not sure what you're getting at.

Try saying the word jrpg near him, and see what happens.

[LinksOcarina]

Rawgrim wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

CRPG is such a bad term.

Just call it a story-driven RPG, it follows those mechanics more than say, dungeon crawlers or power fantasies.

CRPG is just that it is on a computer. Not sure what you're getting at.

Try saying the word jrpg near him, and see what happens.

JRPG?!?! WRRAAAGH!

In all seriousness, I find the popular labels to be misinformed and kind of BS, I believe they need new labels based on mechanics over origion of system, console, or country.

[Dutchess]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Loud noises!

EDIT: seriously though, I don't know if DA3 will be a good game or not. I hope it will, but my expectations are low.

This.

The announcements that have been made so far all indicate that DA3 will be similar to DA2 (human protagonist, no playable origins, voiced protagonist, dialogue wheel, paraphrasing, combat like the DA2 DLC (at least that's what was being said when the DLC was released)). I haven't read about a DAO feature that will return yet.

[Morty Smith]

Roflbox wrote...

Project Eternity or Wasteland 2 will be.

*drool*

[Foolsfolly]

LinksOcarina wrote...

CRPG is such a bad term.

I agree.

Just call it a story-driven RPG, it follows those mechanics more than say, dungeon crawlers or power fantasies.

I prefer 'RPG'.

People tend to realize you're talking about computer RPGs when you're talking about Dragon Age and Skyrim instead of D&D or ... all right that's all I know.

[Archereon]

Foolsfolly wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

CRPG is such a bad term.

I agree.

Just call it a story-driven RPG, it follows those mechanics more than say, dungeon crawlers or power fantasies.

I prefer 'RPG'.

People tend to realize you're talking about computer RPGs when you're talking about Dragon Age and Skyrim instead of D&D or ... all right that's all I know.

CRPG could just as easily stand for "classic RPG", and really, what most people mean by CRPGs is that they're "closer" , particularly mechanically, to tabletop RPGs; combat is often dice roll based, there's usually a loot system and a great deal of opportunity for character optimization as the game progresses. a CRPG also generally inherits the "partially open" story of a TTRPG, though to a lesser extent given everything needs to be hard coded.

[naughty99]

Herr Uhl wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

CRPG is such a bad term.

Just call it a story-driven RPG, it follows those mechanics more than say, dungeon crawlers or power fantasies.

CRPG is just that it is on a computer. Not sure what you're getting at.

Do you consider the Xbox and PS3 to be computers? I suppose they are, but when I hear "computer" I think of a laptop or desktop.

[Chromie]

simfamSP wrote...

Roflbox wrote...

Project Eternity or Wasteland 2 will be.

I seriously see PE becoming a flop. People are having so much hopes for it that perhaps they're going a little overboard? Maybe that's why Obsidian are releasing updates often so that people DON'T get the wrong idea.

If it were any other studio maybe but Obsidian has only made one game I don't care for and it's Dungeon Siege III. 

[Herr Uhl]

Skelter192 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Roflbox wrote...

Project Eternity or Wasteland 2 will be.

I seriously see PE becoming a flop. People are having so much hopes for it that perhaps they're going a little overboard? Maybe that's why Obsidian are releasing updates often so that people DON'T get the wrong idea.

If it were any other studio maybe but Obsidian has only made one game I don't care for and it's Dungeon Siege III. 

I'd throw in NWN2 to that mix. Buggy as hell, horribly optimized and goddamn rocks.

[LinksOcarina]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Roflbox wrote...

Project Eternity or Wasteland 2 will be.

I seriously see PE becoming a flop. People are having so much hopes for it that perhaps they're going a little overboard? Maybe that's why Obsidian are releasing updates often so that people DON'T get the wrong idea.

If it were any other studio maybe but Obsidian has only made one game I don't care for and it's Dungeon Siege III. 

I'd throw in NWN2 to that mix. Buggy as hell, horribly optimized and goddamn rocks.

Why is that a good thing, exactly? 

[Herr Uhl]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

If it were any other studio maybe but Obsidian has only made one game I don't care for and it's Dungeon Siege III. 

I'd throw in NWN2 to that mix. Buggy as hell, horribly optimized and goddamn rocks.

Why is that a good thing, exactly? 

Those are the two I don't care for. The main problems with their games isn't the writing but that they can't make tetris run on an xbox at times.

Considering they're making an isometric 2D game, that should be mitigated.

[Maria Caliban]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It's not coming out until late 2013 or 2014. I'm going to guess a great RPG comes out before then.

Jane Austin: Unbridled.  An action packed RPG with plenty of softcore erotica and cover based combat.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I'd rather leave it to Eternity or the other ones. A lot of folks want isometric views, no voice acting and what I'll call for the sake of avoiding an argument very 'complex' systems that demand micro-management. That's not my cup of tea - I've quite enjoyed where RPGs have started to go these days and I'd rather the experiences remain seperate.