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[IronRush]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

IronRush wrote...

I really dont expect this kind of thread from you Sirian. You seems a very good player.
PPR is much more hard to use, much more hard to aim, much more hard if you let the magazine end, more heavier. Acceleration dont let you bring much time inside tactical cloak so easily.

Harrier is perfect in all those problems.

We have very good guns in the game, but no one is breaking more the balance than Harrier.
EVERY SINGLE gold lobby I see one or 2.

 

You mean the Reegar or Acolyte don't break balance more than the Harrier?  

You're confusing popularity with overpowered-ness. I am a good player, and as such, I recognise that the ONLY way a weapon can be overpowered is if it truly fits the definition of a noob-cannon. (That is - it requires no/very little aiming, does big enough damage to kill all targets in very short order and fills an all purpose roll).

The Harrier does none of these things. The lack of spare ammo means that aim is important to get the best use out of it. It performs no function other than killing things. It isn't a great ammo primer and can't CC outside just killing things, and isn't particularly great at boss killing on most classes either. It's also too heavy to be used on a fair few classes. 

Your claim that the PPR is harder to use is correct, but ease of use =/= overpowered. 

Your claim that it is harder to AIM is completely incorrect, as the PPR has no recoil and is pinpoint accurate, whereas the Harrier has some recoil and a slight spread. 

All in all, the Harrier and the PPR are both well-balanced weapons. The fact that the Harrier is easier to use is irrelevant. It is not breaking the game in the same manner as, say a pre-nerf Krysae did. It does not turn any class/user into an instant machine of destruction.

Skilled players will do incredible things with the Harrier, poor players will suck with the Harrier, average players will do averagely with the Harrier.

I strongly disagree Sirian. But ok... I am tired to argue about that almost everyday...
IMO is very clear that Harrier is OP.

[golden24ersa]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

 It's always fun to see Sirian get his panties in a bunch. Kyrene has definitely gotten under your skin.

You and Jay make me laugh every time I see you post. Someone says 1 little thing you perceive to be an insult and look how you BOTH go off. Sirian with his "cool" pics and "witty" comments and then Jay with his "Oh I don't really care, but let me make an insult and then admit the game takes no skill" You are both such transparent little insecure children. 

I have come to a 100% conclusion about both of you. You fellows must have nothing more going on in your lives then this game, or games in general, because you get SO worked up over stuff like this
.
Thanks for the laugh.

Just to point out - You morons posted a vid of the Locust mowing down people on Gold. ANY GUN YOU HEADSHOT WITH CAN DO DAMAGE. What's the next post? "Look the Hornet is OP Guyz" as a mock thread thinly veiled to be a thread showing Jay and you headshotting with it? lulz!

So, once again, this is NOTHING but an e peen thread for you and Jay to brag. Man you guys are THE biggest attention wh0re's I have ever seen.You are the Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie of BSN. Congrats. That's how I view you. lol what pathetic little attention wh0re's you guys are.

LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! 

hahahahaha, I LOVE IT! 

You're funny 

Ok, typically try to stay away from the boards, but Sirian, and Jay are awesome! Not just with skill, Yes sarcastic. News flash you treat them kindly they treat you kindly. They may stop you from going into a round with a crazy build, or other argumented mistake. Only though so they don't have to carry so much. Excelent players, and I love your vids, and as you know I stay away from the nerf/ buff arguements, so that is still you boys thing. Finally, they do this stuff because they are so good, not for attention whoring" Test they limits of the game, and their ability. It is like you never hung out at the jock table in High School, or around anyone ever with skill in anything. I played soccer, offered a scholarship at community collage level, but was young, and stupid, and didn't take it. My friends that were good, and I would set up random things like in the link, and challenge ourselves. Practice our aim, etc... (No, I am too old to ahve thought of angry birds, or to do this awesomeness.) Same with Rainbow kicks, and bicyle kicks. Rarely do you get to do them in a real game, but it is the same mentality.  Basketball, poll trick shots. Harlem Globetrotter's they make a living off of it. It is fun to do, and isn't done for attention. Life is fun chill some. Stop the hate. link:

[sandboxgod]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Or not!

So after the recent increase in the number of people asking for Harrier nerfs, Jay and I decided to have some fun with a far more overpowered weapon. The result was that even though we weren't really trying to speed run (I only used 2 rockets, and we basically used them situationally) we managed a 12:38 duo. 

Featuring some (IMO) pretty cool gameplay and some super epic lag/WTF moments. Jay was hosting, so my incredible awful internet was struggling to keep up.

Highlights:

1:23
2:09 - EPIC LAG.
4:33
6:41
8:53 - WTF moment
10:30 - Jay complaining about "having to aim for the head" 

Enjoy. 

I don't know if it is PC enemies (i've never played on PC) or lag, but the enemies were not very aggressive towards you as i'm used to getting on the xbox when i play.

 

Has to do with Jay's PC being rubbish.

It's what makes the enemy AI on GOOD PC hosts that much more aggressive and accurate than it is on xbox.

Interesting...

[Taritu]

Severe lag is actually an advantage in playing.

[d_nought]

Taritu wrote...

Severe lag is actually an advantage in playing.

No it isn't. It just offers some slight advantages to offset most of the BS that happens.

[upinya slayin]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Partly its lag, and partly its how quickly Sirian and Jay are killing stuff (before the AI can react basically).

For more normal PC gameplay with an average player's viewpoint, feel free to check out my vids.

Thats kinda my point. I'm used to 0 reaciton time on enemies. I mean beyond immediate.I've been hit with rockets form geth rocket trooers before there spawn was even visable. i mean ti says hostiles and i'm hit right after that to start a wave. That fast. They had plenty of time to line up shts w/o getting shot

Geths are different. They cheat.

ceberus does it too. i've had phantoms on ghost shoot me as soon as the wave started from their top spawn before they even jump down.

[aimimia]

First of impression of PPR is that it sucked. Lasting impression, it still sucked. Bit that was before I was taught how to use it well. Had a game on jade reapers, and killing a brute with less then a full clip, and having everything behind it almost be dead is just too good. I have to say that it is OP when our in people with good aim like you and jay

[upinya slayin]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Or not!

So after the recent increase in the number of people asking for Harrier nerfs, Jay and I decided to have some fun with a far more overpowered weapon. The result was that even though we weren't really trying to speed run (I only used 2 rockets, and we basically used them situationally) we managed a 12:38 duo. 

Featuring some (IMO) pretty cool gameplay and some super epic lag/WTF moments. Jay was hosting, so my incredible awful internet was struggling to keep up.

Highlights:

1:23
2:09 - EPIC LAG.
4:33
6:41
8:53 - WTF moment
10:30 - Jay complaining about "having to aim for the head" 

Enjoy. 

I don't know if it is PC enemies (i've never played on PC) or lag, but the enemies were not very aggressive towards you as i'm used to getting on the xbox when i play.

 

Has to do with Jay's PC being rubbish.

It's what makes the enemy AI on GOOD PC hosts that much more aggressive and accurate than it is on xbox.

That statement doesn't make much sense lol. and all the videos i've seen on PC the enemies are very lackluster compared to what i'm used to.

[KyreneZA]

golden24ersa wrote...

Finally, they do this stuff because they are so good, not for attention whoring" Test they limits of the game, and their ability. It is like you never hung out at the jock table in High School, or around anyone ever with skill in anything.

Are you seriously comparing them to jocks? Most jocks I've known were attention ****s. And are you also seriously comparing being good at ME3MP to being good at sports? Being able to twitch 6 fingers is not the same as being a good sportsman.

It is fun to do, and isn't done for attention. Life is fun chill some. Stop the hate.

From the amount of moaning and outright ****ing they do in that video it doesn't sound like it's fun anymore. If it ever was...

*confused*

[Heggy]

There were threads a few weeks back about how enemies seemed less responsive and accurate when running at low frame rates.

[upinya slayin]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I've never heard of programmer ai do better on better pc..

 

It's not something that is deliberately programmed. It's just a quirk due to the lack of dedicated servers for MP. All AI processing is done on the host's end. The lower the host's processing power, the less aggressive, quick and accurate the enemy AI. 

An ecks bawks is pretty low end. 

While your theory makes sense, not every PC game is running with a 5000 dollar gaming PC. the xbox has a tri-core 3.2GHz processor (i'm keeping it simple here) and the entire thing goes into the game. Nothing else is running and taking up processing power. most PCs out there still run diual core processors at around 3GHz.

In other words the average PC has less processing power then the xbox for gaming. on the other hand i'm sure there are plenty of PC games out there with way more powerfull Pcs that teh xbox can't compete with. I think its the minority and not the norm though.

Now with that said and as shown in yyour video (i guess cause jay has a crap PC according to you) it actually makes the game easier for you and also makes it tough to detemrin which PC players are good and which are aidid by lack or porcessing power, compared to conssole gamers where we all share a level playing field.

[upinya slayin]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Partly its lag, and partly its how quickly Sirian and Jay are killing stuff (before the AI can react basically).

For more normal PC gameplay with an average player's viewpoint, feel free to check out my vids.

Thats kinda my point. I'm used to 0 reaciton time on enemies. I mean beyond immediate.I've been hit with rockets form geth rocket trooers before there spawn was even visable. i mean ti says hostiles and i'm hit right after that to start a wave. That fast. They had plenty of time to line up shts w/o getting shot

Geths are different. They cheat.

ceberus does it too. i've had phantoms on ghost shoot me as soon as the wave started from their top spawn before they even jump down.

 

I explained before... it has to do with Jay's PC being rubbish. If I had been hosting this, enemies would've been noticeably more aggressive and accurate.

I'd be curious to see a video of the difference if you don't mind?

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I've never heard of programmer ai do better on better pc..

 

It's not something that is deliberately programmed. It's just a quirk due to the lack of dedicated servers for MP. All AI processing is done on the host's end. The lower the host's processing power, the less aggressive, quick and accurate the enemy AI. 

An ecks bawks is pretty low end. 

While your theory makes sense, not every PC game is running with a 5000 dollar gaming PC. the xbox has a tri-core 3.2GHz processor (i'm keeping it simple here) and the entire thing goes into the game. Nothing else is running and taking up processing power. most PCs out there still run diual core processors at around 3GHz.

In other words the average PC has less processing power then the xbox for gaming. on the other hand i'm sure there are plenty of PC games out there with way more powerfull Pcs that teh xbox can't compete with. I think its the minority and not the norm though.

Now with that said and as shown in yyour video (i guess cause jay has a crap PC according to you) it actually makes the game easier for you and also makes it tough to detemrin which PC players are good and which are aidid by lack or porcessing power, compared to conssole gamers where we all share a level playing field.

Well, you can take a look at Xcal's/Stentron's/Sy7ar's vids. They all have great PCs.

[Chaoswind]

Host having low end specs (can be good for everyone)
Host having low end upload speed (will be super bad for everyone else BUT the host, gates? Lolwhut)
Host having both a **** PC and terribad connection means is only an advantage to the Host.

[Atheosis]

VeggiePotter wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

WTF does that video have to do with the Harrier? Seems to me you just made a video showing how overpowered the GI and TGI are. Good job.

To me, it's showing that any weapon can be powerful if you use it strategically. 

They're using PPR X's.  That's not just "any weapon".  And pointing at targets and shooting is not a strategy.

[Caratinoid]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I've never heard of programmer ai do better on better pc..

 

It's not something that is deliberately programmed. It's just a quirk due to the lack of dedicated servers for MP. All AI processing is done on the host's end. The lower the host's processing power, the less aggressive, quick and accurate the enemy AI. 

An ecks bawks is pretty low end. 

While your theory makes sense, not every PC game is running with a 5000 dollar gaming PC. the xbox has a tri-core 3.2GHz processor (i'm keeping it simple here) and the entire thing goes into the game. Nothing else is running and taking up processing power. most PCs out there still run diual core processors at around 3GHz.

In other words the average PC has less processing power then the xbox for gaming. on the other hand i'm sure there are plenty of PC games out there with way more powerfull Pcs that teh xbox can't compete with. I think its the minority and not the norm though.

Now with that said and as shown in yyour video (i guess cause jay has a crap PC according to you) it actually makes the game easier for you and also makes it tough to detemrin which PC players are good and which are aidid by lack or porcessing power, compared to conssole gamers where we all share a level playing field.

Well, you can take a look at Xcal's/Stentron's/Sy7ar's vids. They all have great PCs.

They also destroy everything in seconds ...

... you will not see much difference if you keep all enemies staggered from the moment they spawn until they die.

[Jaze55]

Ok, typically try to stay away from the boards, but Sirian, and Jay are awesome! Not just with skill, Yes sarcastic. News flash you treat them kindly they treat you kindly. They may stop you from going into a round with a crazy build, or other argumented mistake. Only though so they don't have to carry so much. Excelent players, and I love your vids, and as you know I stay away from the nerf/ buff arguements, so that is still you boys thing. Finally, they do this stuff because they are so good, not for attention whoring" Test they limits of the game, and their ability. It is like you never hung out at the jock table in High School, or around anyone ever with skill in anything. I played soccer, offered a scholarship at community collage level, but was young, and stupid, and didn't take it. My friends that were good, and I would set up random things like in the link, and challenge ourselves. Practice our aim, etc... (No, I am too old to ahve thought of angry birds, or to do this awesomeness.) Same with Rainbow kicks, and bicyle kicks. Rarely do you get to do them in a real game, but it is the same mentality.  Basketball, poll trick shots. Harlem Globetrotter's they make a living off of it. It is fun to do, and isn't done for attention. Life is fun chill some. Stop the hate. link:

I will explain as simply as I can.

Sirians attitude is disguting to me. I happen to look up a post about Drell Adapt and lookie there another degrading post from Sirian. It's everywhere. He posts things like this all the time:

Lord_Sirian wrote...

I've never understood the acolyte-pull-reave fanclub.

We regularly mock them in the games I play with friends. They're like a standing joke.

See here - http://social.biowar...ndex/15013796/1


Who are you Sirian to make fun of people for playing the game how they want? As much as I agree with you(Sirian) about how inneffective pull/reave is, I would NEVER tell people they are a joke that do so. Why would you type that, to make people feel bad? You are one arrogant person and things you say are really not needed. You mock people all the time because you are better then average, or great, at this game. It doesn't matter how good you are there is never a reason to mock people like you do, especially over a non competative video game. You belittle people constantly over something as stupid as the weapon or build they choose.

I play the same way you do. I like to go fast, I like to use optimum set ups and I like to play to the best of my ability. But the way you talk to some people, directly or indirectly, is abysmal and frankly, because of the way you act, I think you a garbage. Only because of how you write certain things. 

Now you might be a saint in real life. You might volunteer at a soup kitchen in your free time so this is not personal. But some of the things I have seen you post are absolutely mean and a disgrace. You really should feel ashamed putting down others for the way the decide to have fun in a game. 

If I read you wrong then my mistake, but to me it seems you like being an arrogant douche and like to put others down to elevate yourself. And I frankly find that disgusting. 

Anyway I just honestly decided to troll Sirain a little because of an old post I made where I think he took something I obviously wrote as a joke seriously so this started as me messing with him, but the more I read from him, the more I realize he is nothing but an arrogant d-bag and the things he says are rude and un called for. You don't need to make people feel bad for how they choose to play this game. Again, as much as I DO agree with you, there is no need to say it how you do. And I am sick of seeing it all the time. Stop belitting other for how they chose to play. 

Now you know. Again this is not personal at all, I really don't know you besides what you write and I am just basing this off that. Again, if I took it wrong then I took it wrong but I don't see how I possibly could have. But if I somehow took it wrong, then I am a big tool and I will freely admit that, and then we can move on. Again, NOT personal. 

You know after I wrote that I don't even know why I care. Especially since I do agree with you, just not the way you say it.  I guess I don't like seeing other people put down for such stupid reasons. Eh really who cares. I said what I had to say either take something from it or ignore it doesn't really matter to me in the long run. 

[Tybo]

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I've never heard of programmer ai do better on better pc..

 

It's not something that is deliberately programmed. It's just a quirk due to the lack of dedicated servers for MP. All AI processing is done on the host's end. The lower the host's processing power, the less aggressive, quick and accurate the enemy AI. 

An ecks bawks is pretty low end. 

While your theory makes sense, not every PC game is running with a 5000 dollar gaming PC. the xbox has a tri-core 3.2GHz processor (i'm keeping it simple here) and the entire thing goes into the game. Nothing else is running and taking up processing power. most PCs out there still run diual core processors at around 3GHz.

In other words the average PC has less processing power then the xbox for gaming. on the other hand i'm sure there are plenty of PC games out there with way more powerfull Pcs that teh xbox can't compete with. I think its the minority and not the norm though.

Now with that said and as shown in yyour video (i guess cause jay has a crap PC according to you) it actually makes the game easier for you and also makes it tough to detemrin which PC players are good and which are aidid by lack or porcessing power, compared to conssole gamers where we all share a level playing field.

You can't really compare an xbox's processor to a pc one.  The xbox's processor is so stripped down of other things deemed "unnecessary" that it is not directly comparable.  Now many of these things don't *really* make much of a difference for gaming, you can't compare.  For another thing, simply using the speed of the processor doesn't do a whole lot.  Since the core 2 duo, processor speeds haven't changed much, but their processing ability has greatly increased.  

I would be pretty comfortable saying that anyone who has bought a new computer in the last 4 years has significantly more processing power than an xbox.  Now, how much of it is due to graphics card vs processor is another thing which we can't really know as well.  This also makes a difference, and the xbox's graphics card is from 2005.  Graphics cards have seen great improvement since then, so I'd comfortably make the statement for graphics power.