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[Deerber]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Deerber wrote...


Of course you do. You're used to be so far away from the enemy when you kill them that even Geth Primes cannot hit you 

If it doesn't require headshots, its an OP gun


Nah, using the Reegar in CQC requires a degree of knowledge of game mechanics (will the Banshee grab me now or not?), situational awareness (If I run up to this Scion in the open, will three Collector Captains basically one shot me?) and so forth that makes it a pretty demanding gun for average players like me. I don't think its OP personally.

You're no average player. At least, not in my experience [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

Anyway, I honestly disagree. But this is not the place to argue about that, I think 

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I've never heard of programmer ai do better on better pc..

 

It's not something that is deliberately programmed. It's just a quirk due to the lack of dedicated servers for MP. All AI processing is done on the host's end. The lower the host's processing power, the less aggressive, quick and accurate the enemy AI. 

An ecks bawks is pretty low end. 

While your theory makes sense, not every PC game is running with a 5000 dollar gaming PC. the xbox has a tri-core 3.2GHz processor (i'm keeping it simple here) and the entire thing goes into the game. Nothing else is running and taking up processing power. most PCs out there still run diual core processors at around 3GHz.

In other words the average PC has less processing power then the xbox for gaming. on the other hand i'm sure there are plenty of PC games out there with way more powerfull Pcs that teh xbox can't compete with. I think its the minority and not the norm though.

Now with that said and as shown in yyour video (i guess cause jay has a crap PC according to you) it actually makes the game easier for you and also makes it tough to detemrin which PC players are good and which are aidid by lack or porcessing power, compared to conssole gamers where we all share a level playing field.

I think you're going too far.

I think you are definitely overestimating a lot the ability of low fps/lag/whatever to affect the gameplay.

It can make a tiny difference, yes. That's what you probably feel while watching PC videos, cause I can agree that the average pc is less powerful than an xbox.

But it cannot, absolutely, in any case, ever, turn a not-extremely good player into an elite one like Sirian is. Sorry, it just cannot.

I think you're concentrating on a part of the reason why the AI seem to be reacting slowly in the video, namely the lack of processing power of Jay's pc.

You're probably not noticing that the other part of the AI being sloppy is that enemies do not even have a chance of doing anything because they are being killed before they can even think about it.

Oh, by the way, cerberus troops shooting you from the ceiling on ghost does not have anything to do with processing power, sloppy AI, or whatever.
It just happens all the time. And it happens to other kinds of troops as well (marauders as an example) and on other maps as well (giant, when they spawn on that high construction over the open area).

But these are just my thoughts, they may very well be wrong. Don't think we'll ever know, though 

[Jaze55]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

 ignore it

 

Ok. 

Works for me.

Water under the bridge? Because I know there is going to be something you write I am going to wind up agreeing with and I will wind up backing it so might as well end this now. Like I said, nothing personal. 

Frankly I am acting like a high and mighty I realized so I am just as bad as what I am saying to you. Funny thing is you really didn't offend me so I don't know why I am sticking up for others. Let them speak for themselves. 

I blame the holidays, they get me over stressed and I was just looking to vent. Type how you want. If someone get's offended let them tell you themselves. 

[IronRush]

Impossible to compare Reegar against Harrier.
Harrier desintegrate enemies from the other side of the map.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

MassEffected555 wrote...



I blame the holidays

What? You have holidays right now? Lucky you... 

[heybigmoney]

Nice vid. Don't cross the streams!

I think the harrier needs to have its recoil bug fixed, assuming it is a bug. Im guessing that the kick it has when fired from cover is what bioware truly intended for it to be rather than the laser death beam it is now.

[Jaze55]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No hard feelings.

I'm not one for holding grudges, especially over something like this.

Yeah same. So good. This is over then. Actually since I started with you, sorry about that. Like I said I think I was looking to vent from stress and you happened to catch my eye. Not fair to you at all.

So now that we are cool easy question for ya. 

The PPR I just used for the first time last night on my Destroyer. First few matches I didn't let it run out of ammo, last 2 I kept running out. I was trying to not look at the ammo and guess by time. I was getting close, I would be about to stop, check ammo and I would only have 2 and then I would run out. I assume after using it more I'll be able to keep a head count. Are you able to time it now or are you constantly looking at the ammo count?

[Deerber]

MassEffected555 wrote...



I blame the holidays

Uh? I'd understand if Sirian was on holiday now, but... Where are you from?

Modifié par Deerber, 30 novembre 2012 - 06:47 .

[capitao_ratao29]

I never use cerberus harrier with slowers chars, it's annoying to replenish ammo every 20 seconds

I love to use particle rifle and incendiary rounds with destroyer, no one enemy can survive

[Jaze55]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...



I blame the holidays

What? You have holidays right now? Lucky you... 

The time between Thanksgiving and XMas are a big black hole of stress, despair and loathing for me. I think some of that seeped through into the forums the past few days. Not sure if you noticed, but it did. 

[Anubis_TPF]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

inb4GI/TGI whiners..

Edit: God your connection is crap...

2nd Edit: Dude... wow... your connection is such shat, and the fact that you're used to it makes it even more hilarious. You start shooting Assault Troopers, and pull your weapon off them before they're dead, then they die a split second later... and you don't have any DOT capabilities. Maybe this is why so many of the "Uber 1337" players have some of the worst lag situations... your foes are dead before they even acknowledge your existence half the time, even though you're standing right in front of their face not using right hand advantage.

 

Well it's more the other way round in my experience. Enemies shoot me before they come around corners, hit me through walls/cover, etc.  You have no idea how easy this game is for me if I host. 

+1 on this.  I'm in the same boat.  My internet connection has a typical latency of 300, and my bandwidth is 500 Kbps.  It looks a lot like this video on many days.  And, when I host it's night-and-day for me.  Everyone else suffers I'm sure, but I kill all the things.

Modifié par Anubis_TPF, 30 novembre 2012 - 06:49 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No hard feelings.

I'm not one for holding grudges, especially over something like this.

Yeah same. So good. This is over then. Actually since I started with you, sorry about that. Like I said I think I was looking to vent from stress and you happened to catch my eye. Not fair to you at all.

So now that we are cool easy question for ya. 

The PPR I just used for the first time last night on my Destroyer. First few matches I didn't let it run out of ammo, last 2 I kept running out. I was trying to not look at the ammo and guess by time. I was getting close, I would be about to stop, check ammo and I would only have 2 and then I would run out. I assume after using it more I'll be able to keep a head count. Are you able to time it now or are you constantly looking at the ammo count?

There is a weird noise that the PPR makes at around 50 ammo. Which means you should stop firing

If it doesn't help, just try to keep a head count.

MassEffected555 wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...



I blame the holidays

What? You have holidays right now? Lucky you... 

The time between Thanksgiving and XMas are a big black hole of stress, despair and loathing for me. I think some of that seeped through into the forums the past few days. Not sure if you noticed, but it did. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Sure, no worries, my own Douchebag levels go over 9000 when I'm too much stressed with work [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 30 novembre 2012 - 06:52 .

[Jaze55]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No hard feelings.

I'm not one for holding grudges, especially over something like this.

Yeah same. So good. This is over then. Actually since I started with you, sorry about that. Like I said I think I was looking to vent from stress and you happened to catch my eye. Not fair to you at all.

So now that we are cool easy question for ya. 

The PPR I just used for the first time last night on my Destroyer. First few matches I didn't let it run out of ammo, last 2 I kept running out. I was trying to not look at the ammo and guess by time. I was getting close, I would be about to stop, check ammo and I would only have 2 and then I would run out. I assume after using it more I'll be able to keep a head count. Are you able to time it now or are you constantly looking at the ammo count?

There is a weird noise that the PPR makes at around 50 ammo. Which means you should stop firing

If it doesn't help, just try to keep a head count.

I didn't notice. It also make a noise when it goes "full beam" correct? I might be mistaking that noise for the low ammo noise though. I'll pay more attention when I play later.  And thx. 

[fallen_acolyte]

Harrier 1 replaces all ARs

[Zaidra]

Void_Macabre wrote...

Harrier is OP mines only at 2 and it can kill a brute in 1 clip on platnium...

What kind of gear and equipment are you using? What class? What ammo? What weapon mods? That all makes a huge difference.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No hard feelings.

I'm not one for holding grudges, especially over something like this.

Yeah same. So good. This is over then. Actually since I started with you, sorry about that. Like I said I think I was looking to vent from stress and you happened to catch my eye. Not fair to you at all.

So now that we are cool easy question for ya. 

The PPR I just used for the first time last night on my Destroyer. First few matches I didn't let it run out of ammo, last 2 I kept running out. I was trying to not look at the ammo and guess by time. I was getting close, I would be about to stop, check ammo and I would only have 2 and then I would run out. I assume after using it more I'll be able to keep a head count. Are you able to time it now or are you constantly looking at the ammo count?

There is a weird noise that the PPR makes at around 50 ammo. Which means you should stop firing

If it doesn't help, just try to keep a head count.

I didn't notice. It also make a noise when it goes "full beam" correct? I might be mistaking that noise for the low ammo noise though. I'll pay more attention when I play later.  And thx. 

Yeah, there are 3 parts. The noise in 'normal' more, the noise in ramped up mode, and a special noise after some time in ramped up mode which means your ammo is nearly depleted.

[golden24ersa]

[quote]Kyrene wrote...

[quote]golden24ersa wrote...

Finally, they do this stuff because they are so good, not for attention whoring" Test they limits of the game, and their ability. It is like you never hung out at the jock table in High School, or around anyone ever with skill in anything.[/quote]
Are you seriously comparing them to jocks? Most jocks I've known were attention ****s. And are you also seriously comparing being good at ME3MP to being good at sports? Being able to twitch 6 fingers is not the same as being a good sportsman. [quote]

Some jocks were yes, and yes I am comparing the two. Skill based sport/ gaming. Sportsmanship is different than being good at sports.  Sportsmanship is shaking the persons, admitting to things being out of bounds like in tennis, even if it hurts you. So two different things. Sirian, and Jay the cool "jocks" that  after school would knock, and do after school pick-up games with everyone. Not just their jock friends.

Modifié par golden24ersa, 30 novembre 2012 - 06:59 .

[Beeno4Life]

Void_Macabre wrote...

Harrier is OP mines only at 2 and it can kill a brute in 1 clip on platnium...

You must be using some crazy gear then.

[Zso_Zso]

But, but, but....., I was categorically told (as in being ridiculed) in A PUG game, that it is completely stupid to put a PPR on an infiltrator as the cloak boost will be over before the gun revs up.

Now, I'm confused...

[upinya slayin]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I've never heard of programmer ai do better on better pc..

 

It's not something that is deliberately programmed. It's just a quirk due to the lack of dedicated servers for MP. All AI processing is done on the host's end. The lower the host's processing power, the less aggressive, quick and accurate the enemy AI. 

An ecks bawks is pretty low end. 

While your theory makes sense, not every PC game is running with a 5000 dollar gaming PC. the xbox has a tri-core 3.2GHz processor (i'm keeping it simple here) and the entire thing goes into the game. Nothing else is running and taking up processing power. most PCs out there still run diual core processors at around 3GHz.

In other words the average PC has less processing power then the xbox for gaming. on the other hand i'm sure there are plenty of PC games out there with way more powerfull Pcs that teh xbox can't compete with. I think its the minority and not the norm though.

Now with that said and as shown in yyour video (i guess cause jay has a crap PC according to you) it actually makes the game easier for you and also makes it tough to detemrin which PC players are good and which are aidid by lack or porcessing power, compared to conssole gamers where we all share a level playing field.

 

1. (bolded part) (Citation needed) - That is extremely unlikely given how old the xbox 360 is and how cheap a decent PC is. No gaming PC should cost 5000 dollars. Anyone who pays that much is a moron or just has money to burn. You can get a PC + full peripherals and run ME3 @ 1080p @ 60 FPS for about 1000 - 1200 AUD. Highly unlikely that the average user has a lower end PC than an xbox, which was outdated 5 years ago. 

2. Your last paragraph - Not really sure what the point of it is, but seems like a fairly cynical attempt to denigrate at least some of the PC population, or at very least imply that the console elites are better/more reliable.

It's stupid to compare the two games IMO. I see them as two different games. There are too many differences between the two versions to make for a fair comparison.

As for your rather snide assertion that some PC players merely *look* good because they play at low framerates, bear in mind that:

A) Nobody LIKES playing at low FPS
Almost nobody hosts 100% of the time
C) It is only the HOST'S processing power that matters. The clients can have whatever PC they like, but it is the HOST'S PC which determines how fast/aggressive/accurate the AI is.

lol sorry. I don't mean it as "talking down" i'm just curious. I know that PC players ahve made claims that enemies are more aggressive and i've never watched any of the PC videos before. (i've only watched invader, gollum, and caineghis videos all xbox players) and i've played quite a few hours and as i was watching it i was just thinking that they seem very much less aggressive and alot of things you were doing would have caused me to get downed so i was curious thats all

[CmnDwnWrkn]

You really can't directly compare a PowerPC XBox/PS3 processor to a PC x86 processor, because they're two entirely different architectures. A basic comparison of # of cores and clock rate is meaningless. The only way to compare hardware performance is to get deep into the architectures. It's not something where you can do a quick side-by-side comparison to determine.

upinya slayin wrote...
lol sorry. I don't mean it as "talking
down" i'm just curious. I know that PC players ahve made claims that
enemies are more aggressive and i've never watched any of the PC videos
before. (i've only watched invader, gollum, and caineghis videos all
xbox players) and i've played quite a few hours and as i was watching it
i was just thinking that they seem very much less aggressive and alot
of things you were doing would have caused me to get downed so i was
curious thats all

I've actually noticed the same thing.  I haven't watched a ton of these videos, but from what I've seen from the PC videos, they seem to get away with stuff that simply would not be possible on the PS3.  Like they seem to not take damage from enemies in situations where clearly the console player would take damage.

Not quite sure what to attribute this to, and I'm not saying there's a difference in difficulty between PC and console, but I have noticed exactly what you're talking about.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:07 .

[upinya slayin]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Partly its lag, and partly its how quickly Sirian and Jay are killing stuff (before the AI can react basically).

For more normal PC gameplay with an average player's viewpoint, feel free to check out my vids.

Thats kinda my point. I'm used to 0 reaciton time on enemies. I mean beyond immediate.I've been hit with rockets form geth rocket trooers before there spawn was even visable. i mean ti says hostiles and i'm hit right after that to start a wave. That fast. They had plenty of time to line up shts w/o getting shot

Geths are different. They cheat.

ceberus does it too. i've had phantoms on ghost shoot me as soon as the wave started from their top spawn before they even jump down.

 

I explained before... it has to do with Jay's PC being rubbish. If I had been hosting this, enemies would've been noticeably more aggressive and accurate.

I'd be curious to see a video of the difference if you don't mind?

 

I can actually show you the perfect example if you like. (I will PM it to you on the TA forums tomorrow). A game I hosted where I go to rocket a spawn, and they spawn and instantly snipe me from across the map in less than a second.

yes please, that would be awesome

[upinya slayin]

tyhw wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I've never heard of programmer ai do better on better pc..

 

It's not something that is deliberately programmed. It's just a quirk due to the lack of dedicated servers for MP. All AI processing is done on the host's end. The lower the host's processing power, the less aggressive, quick and accurate the enemy AI. 

An ecks bawks is pretty low end. 

While your theory makes sense, not every PC game is running with a 5000 dollar gaming PC. the xbox has a tri-core 3.2GHz processor (i'm keeping it simple here) and the entire thing goes into the game. Nothing else is running and taking up processing power. most PCs out there still run diual core processors at around 3GHz.

In other words the average PC has less processing power then the xbox for gaming. on the other hand i'm sure there are plenty of PC games out there with way more powerfull Pcs that teh xbox can't compete with. I think its the minority and not the norm though.

Now with that said and as shown in yyour video (i guess cause jay has a crap PC according to you) it actually makes the game easier for you and also makes it tough to detemrin which PC players are good and which are aidid by lack or porcessing power, compared to conssole gamers where we all share a level playing field.

You can't really compare an xbox's processor to a pc one.  The xbox's processor is so stripped down of other things deemed "unnecessary" that it is not directly comparable.  Now many of these things don't *really* make much of a difference for gaming, you can't compare.  For another thing, simply using the speed of the processor doesn't do a whole lot.  Since the core 2 duo, processor speeds haven't changed much, but their processing ability has greatly increased.  

I would be pretty comfortable saying that anyone who has bought a new computer in the last 4 years has significantly more processing power than an xbox.  Now, how much of it is due to graphics card vs processor is another thing which we can't really know as well.  This also makes a difference, and the xbox's graphics card is from 2005.  Graphics cards have seen great improvement since then, so I'd comfortably make the statement for graphics power.

Graphics will always be better on good PCs. i'll never argue against that, but also the better framerate and higher end grapics also pull away power from the processor as well.

[Computron2000]

upinya slayin wrote...
Graphics will always be better on good PCs. i'll never argue against that, but also the better framerate and higher end grapics also pull away power from the processor as well.

Before GPUs, you would be right. You would still be right with integrated graphical chipsets but with desktop PCs running GPUs, there would not be any load on the processor. Thats the entire idea for graphics cards. They are specialised processors for graphics. Graphical calculations and other manipulations are done on the GPU not the CPU. Nowadays, graphic cards come loaded with gigs of memory so they store textures and other stuff without needing to touch any other computer resource.