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Most ppl don't understand it's just the Mattock with 4 more rounds and a auto mode, the thign aobut it is the accurassy is pretty loss due to the auto fire setting, and the ammo spare is low, though great, it still has flaws that most ppl that wanna nerf it don't seem to look at

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

2. It is a feature of low processing power hosts. Enemy targetting AI is calculated on the host's end. The slower the Host's platform, the less quickly and accurately they target you. Jay's PC isn't great. But! I'd say it's better than an Xbox 360 for sure. ;)  Meaning enemies would be just as inaccurate/docile on ecks bawks as in this game.

On good hosts, (on PC) the enemy AI is deadly accurate, almost as accurate as Jay...

So to be a S.p.E.c.T.R.E. all you need is:
  • a ****ty PC to host
  • a ****ty ISP
  • level IV ammo consumables
  • level X URs
  • exploit all the exploits
  • a GI/TGI
  • a small amount of skill
  • a superiority complex


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Lord_Sirian wrote...

2. It is a feature of low processing power hosts. Enemy targetting AI is calculated on the host's end. The slower the Host's platform, the less quickly and accurately they target you. Jay's PC isn't great. But! I'd say it's better than an Xbox 360 for sure. ;)  Meaning enemies would be just as inaccurate/docile on ecks bawks as in this game.

On good hosts, (on PC) the enemy AI is deadly accurate, almost as accurate as Jay...

Maybe I should host for once then, because you can't get much worse than a Pentium 4. :innocent:

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ValorOfArms777 wrote...

Most ppl don't understand it's just the Mattock with 4 more rounds and a auto mode, the thign aobut it is the accurassy is pretty loss due to the auto fire setting, and the ammo spare is low, though great, it still has flaws that most ppl that wanna nerf it don't seem to look at

 

Actually the Harrier is much better than the Mattock (higher RoF) but it's certainly not OP. Has more than enough flaws to keep it balanced.

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@Kyrene, your grapes seem to have gone a bit sour there champ.

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Kyrene wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

2. It is a feature of low processing power hosts. Enemy targetting AI is calculated on the host's end. The slower the Host's platform, the less quickly and accurately they target you. Jay's PC isn't great. But! I'd say it's better than an Xbox 360 for sure. ;)  Meaning enemies would be just as inaccurate/docile on ecks bawks as in this game.

On good hosts, (on PC) the enemy AI is deadly accurate, almost as accurate as Jay...

So to be a S.p.E.c.T.R.E. all you need is:
  • a ****ty PC to host
  • a ****ty ISP
  • level IV ammo consumables
  • level X URs
  • exploit all the exploits
  • a GI/TGI
  • a small amount of skill
  • a superiority complex

Yeah, because when the videos are done on a good host, with non-OP classes we struggle to win. Ooooh wait, we don't. We still clear Gold/Plat with any classes/weapons. You constantly whine on our threads. Yet you provide free bumps. **** please.  I'll agree on the skill part though, this game doesn't require much skill to be good at. As for exploits, heh. BioWare devs have stated they were okay with it. 

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You should play in my lobbies! Between my wireless hosting and my intel i7 extreme I'm sure you'd have tons of fun :P

I'll watch the vid later, but I'm already cringing from the lag ... that I haven't even seen yet.

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:19 .


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Tyrannus00 wrote...

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The only nerf I'll every accept for the Harrier is a slightly longer reload time. Maybe switch it's reload with the Argus'.

 

The Harrier shouldn't be nerfed at all. :whistle:


Nope, we should just nerf Lord Sirian then. :P

Constant headshots with that kind of lag? It's not natural.:blink:

 

:lol: Well Jay tells me I'm a good shot, which I guess is high praise coming from him. 

But it's also a very good thing that hitscan weapons aren't hurt by lag unless it's SERIOUSLY bad (as in enemies just teleporting constantly) and while this match had its fair share of teleports, it wasn't as bad as some...

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I'm in a small Alaskan town that doesn't even have a McDonalds and my lag isn't this bad. You are a trooper to put up with your connection Sirian.

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I'm in a small Alaskan town that doesn't even have a McDonalds and my lag isn't this bad. You are a trooper to put up with your connection Sirian.

 

Thanks. :P I believe when Jay hosts I get between 400 and 500 MS response times. When someone from the US (with good internet) hosts I can get 200 - 300 MS, which is much better, but still noticeable.

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HolyAvenger wrote...

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Where the heck do you live, in Bumf"ck nowhere? My lag was never that bad. Watching it was painful, I'd never play like that.


He lives in Australia, and Jay in France. 


I know. I used to live in Aus, and I never lagged like that when I was being hosted by Europeans or Americans. Some lag yes, but not like that. 


Then you haven't seen my lag. Sometimes the screen swicthes between two different areas of the map and I am not sure where I am really. And when I finally decide to take cover, my charcter slides from another section of map to the cover. -- and yes I use the Ops pack to just illuminate my characer's body.

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I played yesterday with Feneckus.After the the MaxShine dropped out(computer crashed!),Feneckus was  the host.
He is an amazing player:wizard:,but his IC is crap:sick:.I think,that he is using flock of pigeons,instead of wire:(.

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Not sure if harrier is overpowered, or any other assault rifle is lowtier.

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taplonaplo wrote...

djspectre wrote...

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Harrier is OP mines only at 2 and it can kill a brute in 1 clip on platnium...


Only if you have a character dmg bonus for AR's, AP mod, level 4 AP ammo, and maybe the AR extended barrel or high caliber barrel. 

So technically, your OP Harrier....has a lot of help. It's not OP by itself.

The Revenant can also kill a brute on Plat in one clip with the same setup as above and the Revenant is certainly not OP. 

Sure, please list all the other weapons that can take out a plat brute in 1 clip or in the amount of time it takes to kill it with the harrier.

Also now i'm 237.12% convinved that you couldn't have pulled a similar time off with several other weapons, so it must be the PPR that is OP, and since it's OP nothing else could possibly need fixing. But it's a sirian thread, so i'll take it as seriously as the "shuriken is not bad".


Let's use gold geth on giant as an example because that is what I  played yesterday. It was a duo with my brother, N7 Destroyer (GPS X, Typhoon III) and GE (Claymore X, Javelin). Wave 9 on giant. We had a bit of luck and everything chain spawned on the far side of the map (we were in the bunker next to LZ). So I pulled my typhoon and started melting. There was one prime...in the middle there came a geth bomber so I switched to shoot geth bomber without stopping. Then went back to prime, finished clip, reloaded, started shooting at him again, killed two bombers inbetween, switched back to prime, killed it, switched to next prime, again killed some bombers, used frags etc,

Point is, we held this position, repeatedly killing everything that was in front of us. Granted, we had luck that nothing spawned under the ladder because we would've been flanked and would have to move from this position. But that isn't the point. The point is, we didn't move for the entire wave 9 on gold and that cost me personally 2 ammo consumables.

Now, would I be able to pull it off with TGI with my Harrier II? Hell no. I would've used all my ammo consumables for a "maybe". But I'm inclined to think that I would be forced to abandon my position to go for ammo crate at least twice.

My conclusion after playing with those two kits is that I can certainly kill a Prime faster with TGI Harrier than Destroyer Typhoon. But it's the other way around when I have to kill two primes, three pyros, a hunter and a bomber who constantly come in my way.

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Sirian, please stop getting rid of your rocket. It is there for a reason.

Modifié par Stardusk, 30 novembre 2012 - 08:41 .


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If the PPR is nerfed next week I'm pretty much gonna throw myself in traffic.

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Enough nerf , PPR is my most favorite gun, if they nerf it i quit

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Sirian, please stop getting rid of your rocket. It is there for a reason.

 

But my GI looks better without it.

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Sirian, please stop getting rid of your rocket. It is there for a reason.

 

But my GI looks better without it.


Borderline cheating!

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Confirmed by the Devs as fine. :P

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No worries gang. I got one of the forum mods to give me Sirian's global IP address. I change his MTU setting and optimized his TCP/IP connection. Let's see how good he really is on that dial-up now that he can't choke the bandwidth. (yes, he's using dialup). Unfortunately I can't fix that 386 processor that he's using. my god man.

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

Most ppl don't understand it's just the Mattock with 4 more rounds and a auto mode, the thign aobut it is the accurassy is pretty loss due to the auto fire setting, and the ammo spare is low, though great, it still has flaws that most ppl that wanna nerf it don't seem to look at

 

Actually the Harrier is much better than the Mattock (higher RoF) but it's certainly not OP. Has more than enough flaws to keep it balanced.

Agreed! It's just the everyman weapon though (based solely on how much I see it used, mind), and that is why everyone every nerf-caller wants it nerfed.

Modifié par Kyrene, 30 novembre 2012 - 09:51 .


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Kyrene wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

Most ppl don't understand it's just the Mattock with 4 more rounds and a auto mode, the thign aobut it is the accurassy is pretty loss due to the auto fire setting, and the ammo spare is low, though great, it still has flaws that most ppl that wanna nerf it don't seem to look at

 

Actually the Harrier is much better than the Mattock (higher RoF) but it's certainly not OP. Has more than enough flaws to keep it balanced.

Agreed! It's just the everyman weapon though (based solely on how much I see it used, mind), and that is why everyone wants it nerfed.


Who is this "everyone" i hear you speak of?

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

@Kyrene, your grapes seem to have gone a bit sour there champ.

Oh, not at all. Just refreshing to see you admit that sometimes the game is heavily skewed in your favour when you play. I'm under no illusion that you and others are skilled, perhaps even godly, at the game. The constant preening and circle jerking of e-peens just gets a bit tiresome...

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Computron2000 wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Agreed! It's just the everyman weapon though (based solely on how much I see it used, mind), and that is why everyone wants it nerfed.


Who is this "everyone" i hear you speak of?

Do I really need to use the forum 'search' function for you?