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[ioannisdenton]

Soundwave04 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

'Cause we need loads of goons to shoot.


Honestly, why did they bother adding the Reapers at all in ME3 when I fight Cerberus more often than them? The Reapers are background noise in ME3, they have hardly an appearance and are sidelined as the apparent 'main' antagonists. Not good writing, Bioware.

^ This, so much!

Half the time, you wouldn't even know the Reapers are invading!

AT some point it would be good if:
Renegades joined cerberus or the opposite for shepard's own agenda which is to control the reapers, shepard may even kill TIM and take his position
and
Paragons: recruited cerberus to join them to fight the war.
See? i am now a writer at all and i made 2 story takes that FIT renegade and paragon.
It is not so difficult, Someone on bioware should get DEMOTED

[Someone With Mass]

To waste everyone's time with their tedious existence.

[NRieh]

- Cerberus invades the Citadel and attempts to kill the Council. Why?

you forgot another interesting question - HOW?

And also - it's interesting to see how Omega focused peoples attention on Cerberus plot being total crap. I've heared same thoughts both from those who finished Omega and from those who never bought it. Probably, asking 15$ to fight some more Cerberus was not a good idea.

And yes - it makes no sense. Though, we know that TIM was indoctrinated most of ME3 (unfortunately - starkid is the only source for this). So, probably, if you treat them as Reaper pawns it would even have some logic.

[BleedingUranium]

Nrieh wrote...

- Cerberus invades the Citadel and attempts to kill the Council. Why?

you forgot another interesting question - HOW?

And also - it's interesting to see how Omega focused peoples attention on Cerberus plot being total crap. I've heared same thoughts both from those who finished Omega and from those who never bought it. Probably, asking 15$ to fight some more Cerberus was not a good idea.

And yes - it makes no sense. Though, we know that TIM was indoctrinated most of ME3 (unfortunately - starkid is the only source for this). So, probably, if you treat them as Reaper pawns it would even have some logic.

TIM's been indoctrinated for decades, per one of the comics. That's why he has those freaky eyes.

[FlamingBoy]

BleedingUranium wrote...


TIM's been indoctrinated for decades, per one of the comics. That's why he has those freaky eyes.

thats an interesting tibit of information I did not know before, pity bioware thought this was insignificant in the main trilogy.

but you got have some paywalls if you want to know the whole story of me3....

[ioannisdenton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

- Cerberus invades the Citadel and attempts to kill the Council. Why?

you forgot another interesting question - HOW?

And also - it's interesting to see how Omega focused peoples attention on Cerberus plot being total crap. I've heared same thoughts both from those who finished Omega and from those who never bought it. Probably, asking 15$ to fight some more Cerberus was not a good idea.

And yes - it makes no sense. Though, we know that TIM was indoctrinated most of ME3 (unfortunately - starkid is the only source for this). So, probably, if you treat them as Reaper pawns it would even have some logic.

TIM's been indoctrinated for decades, per one of the comics. That's why he has those freaky eyes.

Nonsense. WHy then in Me2 he stops the reapers? why revive shepard???
TIM got indoctrinated when he implanted himself with reaper tech.

[loungeshep]

Because having one enemy isn't good enough. It's like fighting Borg and Romulans all at once.

They could've easily done 2 games, one focusing on Cerberus, and the other focusing on Reapers.

[dorktainian]

that is why.

[Ticonderoga117]

dorktainian wrote...


that is why.

I distinctly remember blowing all of that to hell. With a rather large explosion. Oh, and a black hole. I mean, that was the whole thing about destroying it remember? TIM gave me this big sob story that I was too shortsighted and doomed us all because I destroyed the tech that would make TIM a complete monster. But then suddenly no, the tech is still there, I just get 10 less EMS.

[BleedingUranium]

ioannisdenton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

- Cerberus invades the Citadel and attempts to kill the Council. Why?

you forgot another interesting question - HOW?

And also - it's interesting to see how Omega focused peoples attention on Cerberus plot being total crap. I've heared same thoughts both from those who finished Omega and from those who never bought it. Probably, asking 15$ to fight some more Cerberus was not a good idea.

And yes - it makes no sense. Though, we know that TIM was indoctrinated most of ME3 (unfortunately - starkid is the only source for this). So, probably, if you treat them as Reaper pawns it would even have some logic.

TIM's been indoctrinated for decades, per one of the comics. That's why he has those freaky eyes.

Nonsense. WHy then in Me2 he stops the reapers? why revive shepard???
TIM got indoctrinated when he implanted himself with reaper tech.

TIM was only called into service, as it were, after the Collectors were defeated. Even then, he still believes he's fighting the Reapers, not helping them. While Saren openly sided with the Reapers and helped them, TIM was merely being used by them. Manipulated to do things that he thought would help Cerberus and humanity, but were really for the Reapers.

Remember, indoctrination is not mind control, they can only influence him (though, very well), not tell him what to do.

[NRieh]

you got have some paywalls if you want to know the whole story of me3....

Yep. While with rest 2 games "extra" content added to universe and game storyline - ME3 has a lot of substracted things. Wanna know why Vega saluted you and you act as if you know this guy? Get a comic. Wanna know what's that all about batarians sudden hate to humans? Either read few lines in codex or buy Arrival. Wanna know how archeologist scientist girl turned out to be a Shadow Broker? Take it "as is" or buy LToSB. Wanna know who's Kai Leng? Get a novel. Wanna know why Udina is in Council while you were talking to Anderson just few month ago? Feel free to guess, as it was never even mentioned in game. What was going on on your own trial? Use headcanons.

But as for given example with TIM - he is not indoctrinated untill some point of ME3. Though, as with most of things in ME3 we are free to speculate.

Modifié par Nrieh, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[BleedingUranium]

Nrieh wrote...

you got have some paywalls if you want to know the whole story of me3....

Yep. While with rest 2 games "extra" content added to universe and game storyline - ME3 has a lot of substracted things. Wanna know why Vega saluted you and you act as if you know this guy? Get a comic. Wanna know what's that all about batarians sudden hate to humans? Either read few lines in codex or buy Arrival. Wanna know how archeologist scientist girl turned out to be a Shadow Broker? Take it "as is" or buy LToSB. Wanna know who's Kai Leng? Get a novel. Wanna know why Udina is in Council while you were talking to Anderson just few month ago? Feel free to guess, as it was never even mentioned in game. What was going on on your own trial? Use headcanons.

But as for given example with TIM - he is not indoctrinated untill some point of ME3. Though, as with most of things in ME3 we are free to speculate.

He's been indoctrinated for ages, we just covered that. Anyway, that's called having a rich and full universe. Having more games, DLC, novels, and comics is a good thing. You can be cynical and call it money grabbing, or you can love the universe and be happy there's now more to it!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:35 .

[ioannisdenton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

you got have some paywalls if you want to know the whole story of me3....

Yep. While with rest 2 games "extra" content added to universe and game storyline - ME3 has a lot of substracted things. Wanna know why Vega saluted you and you act as if you know this guy? Get a comic. Wanna know what's that all about batarians sudden hate to humans? Either read few lines in codex or buy Arrival. Wanna know how archeologist scientist girl turned out to be a Shadow Broker? Take it "as is" or buy LToSB. Wanna know who's Kai Leng? Get a novel. Wanna know why Udina is in Council while you were talking to Anderson just few month ago? Feel free to guess, as it was never even mentioned in game. What was going on on your own trial? Use headcanons.

But as for given example with TIM - he is not indoctrinated untill some point of ME3. Though, as with most of things in ME3 we are free to speculate.

He's been indoctrinated for ages, we just covered that. Anyway, that's called having a rich and full universe. Having more games, DLC, novels, and comics is a good thing. You can be cynical and call it money grabbing, or you can love the universe and be happy there's now more to it!

If he was then WHY did he ressurect shepard????
Not only that but he actually assisted shepard by assembling a team, giving him a  better normandy , and stopping thr collectors aka harbingers puppets.
Stop spraying innacurate things
do not make Me look worse than it is

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:46 .

[BleedingUranium]

ioannisdenton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

you got have some paywalls if you want to know the whole story of me3....

Yep. While with rest 2 games "extra" content added to universe and game storyline - ME3 has a lot of substracted things. Wanna know why Vega saluted you and you act as if you know this guy? Get a comic. Wanna know what's that all about batarians sudden hate to humans? Either read few lines in codex or buy Arrival. Wanna know how archeologist scientist girl turned out to be a Shadow Broker? Take it "as is" or buy LToSB. Wanna know who's Kai Leng? Get a novel. Wanna know why Udina is in Council while you were talking to Anderson just few month ago? Feel free to guess, as it was never even mentioned in game. What was going on on your own trial? Use headcanons.

But as for given example with TIM - he is not indoctrinated untill some point of ME3. Though, as with most of things in ME3 we are free to speculate.

He's been indoctrinated for ages, we just covered that. Anyway, that's called having a rich and full universe. Having more games, DLC, novels, and comics is a good thing. You can be cynical and call it money grabbing, or you can love the universe and be happy there's now more to it!

If he was then WHY did he ressurect shepard????
do not make Me look worse than it is

He was basically a sleeper agent at that time. He was indoctinated all along, but only after Shepard deals with the Collector base do the Reapers start to actively use TIM and Cerberus.

[Twinzam.V]

ioannisdenton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

you got have some paywalls if you want to know the whole story of me3....

Yep. While with rest 2 games "extra" content added to universe and game storyline - ME3 has a lot of substracted things. Wanna know why Vega saluted you and you act as if you know this guy? Get a comic. Wanna know what's that all about batarians sudden hate to humans? Either read few lines in codex or buy Arrival. Wanna know how archeologist scientist girl turned out to be a Shadow Broker? Take it "as is" or buy LToSB. Wanna know who's Kai Leng? Get a novel. Wanna know why Udina is in Council while you were talking to Anderson just few month ago? Feel free to guess, as it was never even mentioned in game. What was going on on your own trial? Use headcanons.

But as for given example with TIM - he is not indoctrinated untill some point of ME3. Though, as with most of things in ME3 we are free to speculate.

He's been indoctrinated for ages, we just covered that. Anyway, that's called having a rich and full universe. Having more games, DLC, novels, and comics is a good thing. You can be cynical and call it money grabbing, or you can love the universe and be happy there's now more to it!

If he was then WHY did he ressurect shepard????
do not make Me look worse than it is

Listen you only need to know the motivations of the ancient space giant squid ships that hibernate in dark space, not of the evil pro human organization with a more understandable goal.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[ioannisdenton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

you got have some paywalls if you want to know the whole story of me3....

Yep. While with rest 2 games "extra" content added to universe and game storyline - ME3 has a lot of substracted things. Wanna know why Vega saluted you and you act as if you know this guy? Get a comic. Wanna know what's that all about batarians sudden hate to humans? Either read few lines in codex or buy Arrival. Wanna know how archeologist scientist girl turned out to be a Shadow Broker? Take it "as is" or buy LToSB. Wanna know who's Kai Leng? Get a novel. Wanna know why Udina is in Council while you were talking to Anderson just few month ago? Feel free to guess, as it was never even mentioned in game. What was going on on your own trial? Use headcanons.

But as for given example with TIM - he is not indoctrinated untill some point of ME3. Though, as with most of things in ME3 we are free to speculate.

He's been indoctrinated for ages, we just covered that. Anyway, that's called having a rich and full universe. Having more games, DLC, novels, and comics is a good thing. You can be cynical and call it money grabbing, or you can love the universe and be happy there's now more to it!

If he was then WHY did he ressurect shepard????
do not make Me look worse than it is

He was basically a sleeper agent at that time. He was indoctinated all along, but only after Shepard deals with the Collector base do the Reapers start to actively use TIM and Cerberus.

you know this makes no sense at all, do you?
i edited my previous post by adding
"Not only that but he actually assisted shepard by assembling a team,
giving him a  better normandy , and stopping the collectors aka
harbingers puppets."
He stopped the reapers but at the same ie he was a sleeper agent???
TIM was indoctrinated when he implanted himself with reaper tech. this is obvious. Rest is headcanon

[BleedingUranium]

ioannisdenton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

you got have some paywalls if you want to know the whole story of me3....

Yep. While with rest 2 games "extra" content added to universe and game storyline - ME3 has a lot of substracted things. Wanna know why Vega saluted you and you act as if you know this guy? Get a comic. Wanna know what's that all about batarians sudden hate to humans? Either read few lines in codex or buy Arrival. Wanna know how archeologist scientist girl turned out to be a Shadow Broker? Take it "as is" or buy LToSB. Wanna know who's Kai Leng? Get a novel. Wanna know why Udina is in Council while you were talking to Anderson just few month ago? Feel free to guess, as it was never even mentioned in game. What was going on on your own trial? Use headcanons.

But as for given example with TIM - he is not indoctrinated untill some point of ME3. Though, as with most of things in ME3 we are free to speculate.

He's been indoctrinated for ages, we just covered that. Anyway, that's called having a rich and full universe. Having more games, DLC, novels, and comics is a good thing. You can be cynical and call it money grabbing, or you can love the universe and be happy there's now more to it!

If he was then WHY did he ressurect shepard????
do not make Me look worse than it is

He was basically a sleeper agent at that time. He was indoctinated all along, but only after Shepard deals with the Collector base do the Reapers start to actively use TIM and Cerberus.

you know this makes no sense at all, do you?
i edited my previous post by adding
"Not only that but he actually assisted shepard by assembling a team,
giving him a  better normandy , and stopping the collectors aka
harbingers puppets."
He stopped the reapers but at the same ie he was a sleeper agent???
TIM was indoctrinated when he implanted himself with reaper tech. this is obvious. Rest is headcanon

And he repeatedly tried to get Shepard captured in ME2, he pretty much gave Shepard to the Collectors several times.

The Reapers need the best from each cycle to make each Reaper. First it was Saren, then Shepard proved he was better. They couldn't make a Prothean Reaper because they failed to capture Javik.


Regardless of anything else, the comic shows he was indoctrinated before, stop arguing.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[Twinzam.V]

BleedingUranium wrote...

The Reapers need the best from each cycle to make each Reaper. First it was Saren, then Shepard proved he was better. They couldn't make a Prothean Reaper because they failed to capture Javik.

They started to make a human reaper in ME2 that was in his larval state pretty functional. If they had Saren why didnt they started to make a turian reaper, they started to make the human one without Shepard. Besides thats not how reapers manufacture work. They need the genetic code of an entire species to make one.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[NRieh]

Having more games, DLC, novels, and comics is a good thing.

Yes, and I liked the way ME1&2 were expanded with content, while each had sufficient content on it's own. ME1 did not require you to read Revelation in order to understand stuff, though reading could give you some more info. ME2 is on it's own and does not depend on any DLC or novel, people appear in game, you see their arcs on screen.

Game is primary product. Game thar requires reading 2 novels and 4 comics in order to have some sense is a bad game. Things happen on screen, sometimes something can be left for codex enrty.

TIM indocrtinated ages ago and stil fighting Collectors in ME2 makes no sense. The only moment in game when you have a hint that something's not right about him - terminal on Cerberus base.

To sum it up - it's not in codex, it's not in game content, so it does not exist from game point of view.

If you need another example - as much as D.Gaider favors his own canon DAU openly - he never tells you to buy a novel to play a game, and you don't even need DAA to 100% understand DA2 Anders' arc. Those who read novels or play DLCs have more, but those who do not - have same universe, and they have just enough of it.

[NRieh]

The Reapers need the best from each cycle to make each Reaper. First it was Saren

Saren was first not because he was best or something. He justhappened to be a greedy human hating bastard that was investigating case that involved Sovereign.

[Applepie_Svk]

Nrieh wrote...

- Cerberus invades the Citadel and attempts to kill the Council. Why?

you forgot another interesting question - HOW?

And also - it's interesting to see how Omega focused peoples attention on Cerberus plot being total crap. I've heared same thoughts both from those who finished Omega and from those who never bought it. Probably, asking 15$ to fight some more Cerberus was not a good idea.

And yes - it makes no sense. Though, we know that TIM was indoctrinated most of ME3 (unfortunately - starkid is the only source for this). So, probably, if you treat them as Reaper pawns it would even have some logic.

Omega could be worthy of those bucks, if they used Omega 4 relay kind of suicide mission... with some revelations and interesting plotpoints... hell they could make that trip as a reason to stop Cerberus from smuggling stuff out there even Human proto Reaper... but well ... not going to happen, instead we got another cheesy Horizon - DURR WE CAN CONTROL THE rEAperZ HURR....

It´s just shame, because they scratched with their comics exactly Omega 4 relay and Cerberus´s presence on Omega, and now just Omega 4 relay is left behind like nothing happened out there...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:04 .

[BleedingUranium]

Twinzam.V wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The Reapers need the best from each cycle to make each Reaper. First it was Saren, then Shepard proved he was better. They couldn't make a Prothean Reaper because they failed to capture Javik.

They started to make a human reaper in ME2 that was in his larval state pretty functional. If they had Saren why didnt they started to make a turian reaper, they started to make the human one without Shepard. Besides thats not how reapers manufacture work. They need the genetic code of an entire species to make one.

At that time they didn't need to, because they were going to call in all the Reapers through the Citadel relay. I'd assume they'd start the harvest when they arrived. Once they were delayed they used the Collectors to start the harvest while they made their way in from dark space.

It was said by someone at BW that the scene at the end of ME2 of all the Reapers waking up actually happens at the end of ME1, when Sovereign is destroyed.

[BleedingUranium]

Nrieh wrote...

The Reapers need the best from each cycle to make each Reaper. First it was Saren

Saren was first not because he was best or something. He justhappened to be a greedy human hating bastard that was investigating case that involved Sovereign.

Saren has also been indoctrinated for decades. From the same Reaper artifact, in the same comic as TIM. And yes, he's the best Spectre, that makes him the best of the best.

[NRieh]

It was said by someone at BW that the scene at the end of ME2 of all the Reapers waking up actually happens at the end of ME1, when Sovereign is destroyed.

Twitter-canons, twitter-codex and twitter-kills. Yeah, "someones at BW" are really good in it..

[NRieh]

Saren has also been indoctrinated for decades. From the same Reaper artifact, in the same comic as TIM.

Just as I said before. Never happened in game + is not in codex = never happened. Sorry.