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[Lawrence0294]

David7204 wrote...

Miranda's and Jack's past with Cerberus HAVE been addressed and resolved. Miranda has clearly resolved the issue by the end of ME 2 and so has Jack by ME 3. How is going back to angst about that a shred better then revisiting Miranda's issues with her sister?

How has Miranda resolved her issue with Cerebrus in ME2 ?
She quits.......and that's that. She doesn't comment on it any further, at all. Why ? She was Cerberus second in command and portrayed as the Loyalist in ME2. From a storytelling point of view, it makes zero sense for them to not include Miranda in the Cerberus arc or her say anything about it. She literally says nothing about them when they just started to try to invade the galaxy. Jacob has more to say about it, how can this make sense ?
Jack did resolve her issues though, i suppose.
I think if i worked for an organization for 20 years and was the second, i'd have some stuff to say if they made a 180°c shift in ideas. Wouldn't you ?
So no, Mirandas issues with Cerberus were not addresse in ME2, except for the very end, and  ME3, hell they aren't even mentionned.

[David7204]

We don't need yet another character commenting that the Illusive Man has gone insane. Shepard knows it. Miranda knows it. The player knows it. The topic was covered extensively by Jacob and the scientists. I'm sure Miranda and Shepard speak about Cerberus off-screen, but unless it's information that moves the story or characters forward, there's no reason to show it to the player.

As for ME 2...it's exactly like you said. She quits, and that's that. There's nothing to indicate she has any lingering emotional issues about the work she did for them.

[Caihn]

john_sheparrd wrote...

I think the character has so much unused potenial and we  have to get a good romance with her
Who's with me?

I am.
She deserves a better role, more screentime and a real romance scene/conversation in ME3.

Unfortunately, I think nobody at Bioware cares about this character anymore.

[Lawrence0294]

David7204 wrote...

We don't need yet another character commenting that the Illusive Man has gone insane. Shepard knows it. Miranda knows it. The player knows it. The topic was covered extensively by Jacob and the scientists. I'm sure Miranda and Shepard speak about Cerberus off-screen, but unless it's information that moves the story or characters forward, there's no reason to show it to the player.

As for ME 2...it's exactly like you said. She quits, and that's that. There's nothing to indicate she has any lingering emotional issues about the work she did for them.

It matters for character continuity. The fact that Jacob speaks about it but not Miranda makes zero sense at all. And it is information that moves the character forward as it is something that should matter very much so. And maybe they spoke about it off screen, but i kinda want to hear it. It has to be shown to the player to make them understand that what is hapening to Cerberus matters to Miranda, and it bloody well should as she kept defending them in ME2.
And her quiting is not enough. It's a very bold action since she was portrayed as the loyalist of Cerebrus throughout the game. But i want to know why. Her just quiting is far from giving closure, and it should've been explored in the game.
Can you imagine if you went through the Genophage arc and saw Mordin but he wouldn't say one thing about it. it would be out of character and non sensical.
Same thing for Miranda. It makes no sense.

[Fixers0]

Expandable character is expandable.

[Lawrence0294]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

 I know that a lot of folks think that every character Shepard can scrog should get their own DLC, but the fact remains that the only reason Liara got her own DLC is that she is Shepard's canon LI.  Even if you think that Shepard is having relations with another character, it is a lie, he is actually scrogging Liara.  Ever since the collector attack at the start of ME2, Shepard has been in a coma and everything that he has experienced since than has actually been a dream which Liara has been moulding to her own designs with her telepathy. Miranda probably isn't even real.

This and your avatar go together scarily well.

lol

[Nightwriter]

David7204 wrote...

Miranda's and Jack's past with Cerberus HAVE been addressed and resolved.

I'd like to say you had me and then you lost me but this was your very first sentence so I can't. You lost me and then you lost me some more.

[Miranda L]

I want Miranda, please!

[Tigerman123]

Miranda confronted her father and rescued her sister, the most salient aspects of her backstory have been resolved

The DLC have been subpar anyhow

[Yaos]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

If BW did that, then they would really need to make DLC's for all the ME2 squaddies...that's a tall order, too tall I would think.

Lair of the shadow broker was about Liara, Ashely had no such treatment. So, yeah.

[Lance Gardner]

She confronted her father in 2 already, she deserved a new plot.

[Raizo]

Lance Gardner wrote...

She confronted her father in 2 already, she deserved a new plot.

When did she confront her father in ME2 because I sure as hell don't remember seeing that. Now if you wanted to argue that Miranda already saved her sister in ME2 and that her role in ME3 would have been better spent on something else ( Confronting TIM and coming to terms with her role in Cerebus which is now public enemy number one ) instead of rehashing ME2's loyalty mission.

I'm glad she got a chance to confront her father in ME3 although I was not happy with how it was done, it felt rushed and underdeveloped, like it was an after thought for the writers, a chance to kill alot of birds with one stone but the whole entire plot felt weak.

[Yaos]

When I first saw someone at the side of the Illusive man in ME3, I thought "bastards... Is that Jacob ? No. Miranda ?! Miranda my love, what have they done to you !?"

Well it was stupid, but I think it'd still would have been much better than that ninja parody.

[tvman099]

I think the big mistake made was that Miranda wasn't a part of your main crew to begin with. When you consider that Cerberus was just as big a part of the game as the Reapers, who would be better to have along to help you see threats before they arrive than the former second-in-command of the organization, who already knows where TIM's space station is because she's already been there before? It'd spare us from EDI's sex bot nonsense, Traynor's insufferable know-it-all supergenius nonsense, and it could set the stage for a direct confrontation between Miranda and TIM which could play out in a number of ways depending on how Shepard interacted with her in ME2.

[Cole Jones]

No we don't.

[StayFrosty05]

Yaos wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

If BW did that, then they would really need to make DLC's for all the ME2 squaddies...that's a tall order, too tall I would think.

Lair of the shadow broker was about Liara, Ashely had no such treatment. So, yeah.

True....the VS has been shafted since ME2, the VS may have made it back onto the Normandy again in ME3,  but not until much later in the game....simple fact is Liara is Walter's blue waifu and gets the lions share aside from Garrus (though Garrus can die)....No other squad mate past or present is going to get any spotlight or extra screentime from BW.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:03 .

[Pkxm]

its not going to happen. miranda could die not only in me2, but in me3. they would not make a dlc based on a character that is possibly dead in many peoples playthrough. they probably wouldnt even make back the money they had to pay her voice actor/develop the content.

i miss her too and wish she had a bigger role in me3 along with others like kasumi. they were all great characters and very interesting in their own ways. but i came up with a solution...get them all killed in the me2 suicide mission.

closure.

Modifié par Jsxdf, 03 décembre 2012 - 12:34 .

[David7204]

I have heard this again, and again, and again, and frankly, it is grating. Miranda needs to confront Cerberus. Miranda needs to confront Cerberus. Miranda needs to confront Cerberus. And people just seem to assume that if Miranda and Cerberus were put in the same room, why, it will automatically be the best thing ever! The plot just writes itself! It'll be a super-duper awesome conclusion to Miranda and Cerberus and everything!

This is not a strawman - it's exactly what I'm hearing and seeing. Put Miranda and Cerberus together and it'll be great. Zero or almost zero technical input on how it would actually work - if it would work at all.

If this is such a great idea, I want to hear how, exactly, things are supposed to work out.

#1. What, precisely, are Miranda's 'issues' with Cerberus that are resolved? (And for the love of God, don't say "She feels guilty for working with them." Automatic 0/10.)

#2. How are they resolved? What happens to provide a solution for this conflict? "Miranda has a conversation with the Illusive Man" is not anywhere close to good enough. What specific information or emotional context is revealed that provides closure to Miranda?

#3. What is the result? How does Miranda develop as a character? Does this affect anyone else? How so? 

#4. What influence does Shepard provide to facilitate this? What choices does the player have? How does this affect the relationship between Shepard and Miranda? 

#5. A constant plot thread brought up is "Miranda provides information on Cerberus." What information? How does this information affect the story, and Cerberus? Does this 'information' actually add anything to the story aside from showing Miranda is chipping in? 

Modifié par David7204, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:56 .

[Pkxm]

poor miranda. may dat azz rip

[xsdob]

We or mirandamancers?

[Praidas]

even if she's back she'd probably complain about her big daddy anyway 

[Jealous Beauty]

Any Citadel DLC should include both Jack and Miranda since we know that both of them were able to go there during the course of the story.

[10K]

You know what, hell yeah give us a Miranda DLC. At this point I would love any DLC based around a ME2 squadmate. They were far more superior and interesting than our ME3 squad (aside from Garrus). Hell I'll even take a Jacob DLC. I support Miranda DLC!!

[Skullheart]

Kabooooom wrote...

They won't waste time on a character that *may* be dead.

They wasted time in garrus and tali.

The" might be dead" argument is invalid, especially when it come to Miranda and Jacob (they survived in most of the imports).

i wanted more content of her, but the ME team is too incompetent to make justice to the 8 screwed characters from ME2. And more Miranda might also mean more disappointments, it clearly that the devs disliked her character (lead character from ME2 reduced to cameos, her writer in me3 is a noob writer).

The only good material we can have hope for is made by fans (fanart, fanfics, etc). Because biowareisn't up to the task.

Modifié par Skullheart, 03 décembre 2012 - 03:14 .

[Zerker]

Miranda is too busy shagging Dexter these days, so, no.