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[d4eaming]

Agreed @Fiacre. There is no "gay" personality or whatever. That's like saying "female" personality or "white" personality. While these traits could inform someone's life history and how they grow up, it is in more of a cultural sense than anything else. I am the same person regardless of my own sexuality or how other people perceive me. I would still be shy, reserved, and quiet no matter who I was attracted to. The LIs are the same- Fenrish being straight or being gay does not effect who he is as a person, he will still be angry, hurt, and somewhat confused, distrustful of mages, and he will still have admiration for Hawke. Isabela will still sleep around, whether it be with men or women, still having an unattached fling with Hawke, still potentially fall in love with Hawke, and still potentially leave at the end of Act2. Anders will still be angry and lose control of himself whether it is a male or female Hawke that takes the pro-templar stance.

The idea that a person's entire worldview and personality will change just because of who they are attracted to is utterly bizarre, and claiming it devalues the character by making them bisexual/available to both genders says more about you than it does about queer people, the writers, or the characters themselves.

[Gebert]

Ideally, no. But, given that Bioware would have to spend quite a lot more resources for it to be fair for everyone (not just one lesbian companions, etc), I'd rather have them all herosexual.

EDIT: Clarification, herosexual = always attracted to the protagonist, whether male or female.

Modifié par Gebert, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[Isaidlunch]

All bi all the way.

[Blackrising]

Again? Really?



Since people are so adamant about not having all characters be available to either gender, Bioware should just include 2 gay and 2 bi romance options. I'd REALLY like to see what people will say when they suddenly only have one straight option.

[Insomniak]

@Fiacre - Here's some light reading for you. And here's another article you may or may not find enlightening. And another study. And another.
Some of these articles even contradict each other. Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone, and in the end it's probably semantics. But I do believe a person's sexuality and how they express it is linked (to what extent or degree I'm not qualified to say) to their personality.

EDIT: I'm using the term "sexuality" in a broader sense here. In terms of sexual orientation or identity, you may be right.

Modifié par javajedi217, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:35 .

[JerHopp]

I've never seen so many threads about (bi)sexuality coming up on the BSN since DA2..

@ OP: what's your intention of this one? what does this poll mean?

[Atalanta]

The only bisexual character I can think of in a BioWare game is Isabela. And maybe Anders, but I never got that dialogue.

[Rawgrim]

Don`t want my character to be a sexuall Mary-Sue again. So NO. i am fine with characters being gay, though.

[Fiacre]

javajedi217 wrote...

@Fiacre - Here's some light reading for you. And here's another article you may or may not find enlightening.
Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone, and in the end it's probably semantics. But I do believe a person's sexuality and how they express it is linked (to what extent or degree I'm not qualified to say) to their personality.

EDIT: I'm using the term "sexuality" in a broader sense here. In terms of sexual orientation or identity, you may be right.

Ah, I see. Admittedly, I've only read the first one (I'd have to sit down and take my time for the second one, that one looks relatively long), but now I get what you're saying. I'm no fan of the wording, but that might be because I'm used to saying "lol all gays are feminine/all lesbians are butch/bisexuals are just confused/gays trying fit in" when people use sexuality and personality in the same breath.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

Edit:

Atalanta wrote...

The only bisexual character I can think
of in a BioWare game is Isabela. And maybe Anders, but I never got that
dialogue.

Uh, Zevran and Leliana? And Mass Effect has Liara and Kaidan, I think.

Modifié par Fiacre, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[Battlebloodmage]

OK, you know what? Bioware should listen to these demands and give us 2 bis and 2 gays. No one would complain then.

[Atalanta]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

OK, you know what? Bioware should listen to these demands and give us 2 bis and 2 gays. No one would complain then.

Haha, that sounds like a fantastic idea to me.

[d4eaming]

Atalanta wrote...

The only bisexual character I can think
of in a BioWare game is Isabela. And maybe Anders, but I never got that
dialogue.

Anders will tell a male Hawke that he and Karl were partners, and then asks if that was ok, and it comes across as testing the waters to see how a male Hawke reacts and whether or not Hawke is interested. A female Hawke doesn't get that option (though it is VERY heavily implied that he and Karl were partners), because it is not really relevant to a female Hawke that Anders has been with at least one man before.

I guess it's relevant if you're a homophobe and don't want to romance a male who's had a male/male relationship before. Sadly, there's really people out there that will reject bisexual individuals for having had same-gender (or less often, opposite-gender) relationships.

Modifié par d4eaming, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[XCelfa]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

OK, you know what? Bioware should listen to these demands and give us 2 bis and 2 gays. No one would complain then.

Aww snap. You're poking the beehive.

[I like the idea, though]

[Rixatrix]

I believe someone else called the companions, unless they explicitly state otherwise, "herosexual." This offers the most choices for the most preferences. I also don't think this is something BW should compromise on based on majorities in polls.

[d4eaming]

BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...

I believe someone else called the companions, unless they explicitly state otherwise, "herosexual." This offers the most choices for the most preferences. I also don't think this is something BW should compromise on based on majorities in polls.

Agreed. I like that idea. It doesn't make the character specifically bisexual. "Herosexual" and bisexual have different nuances.

And the stupid "mary sue-sexual" is getting really freaking tiring already.

[XCelfa]

d4eaming wrote...

Atalanta wrote...

The only bisexual character I can think
of in a BioWare game is Isabela. And maybe Anders, but I never got that
dialogue.

Anders will tell a male Hawke that he and Karl were partners, and then asks if that was ok, and it comes across as testing the waters to see how a male Hawke reacts and whether or not Hawke is interested. A female Hawke doesn't get that option (though it is VERY heavily implied that he and Karl were partners), because it is not really relevant to a female Hawke that Anders has been with at least one man before.

I guess it's relevant if you're a homophobe and don't want to romance a male who's had a male/male relationship before. Sadly, there's really people out there that will reject bisexual individuals for having had same-gender (or less often, opposite-gender) relationships.

Firsthand experience, here.

Also, people love to erase bisexuality based on what sex the individual is currently involved with. You're either gay or straight. So for example, I'm straight, regardless of how many women I have caboodled with.

It's just an ugly topic because it's so underexposed.

[Blackrising]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

OK, you know what? Bioware should listen to these demands and give us 2 bis and 2 gays. No one would complain then.

My words.

[Battlebloodmage]

BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...

I believe someone else called the companions, unless they explicitly state otherwise, "herosexual." This offers the most choices for the most preferences. I also don't think this is something BW should compromise on based on majorities in polls.

The polls are just a sample of those who vote online, we don't know the opinions of those who are offline. Besides, the poll looks pretty divided and the people scream the loudest always the most eager to vote. Notice how most of these threads are started by those who are against it (Remind me of Cullen threads, really). <_<

[Atalanta]

Fiacre wrote...
Uh, Zevran and Leliana? And Mass Effect has Liara and Kaidan, I think.

No, you're thinking "romanceable by either gender protagonist," not bisexual. You'd have no idea that they were interested in both genders unless you metagame.

As for Leliana, her relationship with Marjolaine could be interpreted in a lot of ways.

[Maria Caliban]

Atalanta wrote...

The only bisexual character I can think of in a BioWare game is Isabela. And maybe Anders, but I never got that dialogue.

Why are Leliana and Zevran not bisexual?

Atalanta wrote...
You'd have no idea that they were interested in both genders unless you metagame.

Zevran told my female PC he'd had sex with men, and told male PCs about having sex with women. Leliana made it obvious that seduction was part of what made a bard a bard. That her relationship with Marjoline is 'subtext' and thus doesn't count, suggests someone is only bisexual if they explicitly say they like innies and outies.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:41 .

[Fiacre]

Atalanta wrote...

Fiacre wrote...
Uh, Zevran and Leliana? And Mass Effect has Liara and Kaidan, I think.

No, you're thinking "romanceable by either gender protagonist," not bisexual. You'd have no idea that they were interested in both genders unless you metagame.

As for Leliana, her relationship with Marjolaine could be interpreted in a lot of ways.

...That I don't go around announcing my sexuality to every person I meet that doesn't mean I'm not that sexuality.

Besdies, I think Zevran potentially tells you that he was with Talisen at one point (depending one how that encounter goes) and Leliana tells you about Marjolaine if you talk with her about it.

[d4eaming]

Atalanta wrote...

Fiacre wrote...
Uh, Zevran and Leliana? And Mass Effect has Liara and Kaidan, I think.

No, you're thinking "romanceable by either gender protagonist," not bisexual. You'd have no idea that they were interested in both genders unless you metagame.

As for Leliana, her relationship with Marjolaine could be interpreted in a lot of ways.

Zevran was pretty explicit that he's been with a lot of people, and if I recall rightly, had been with both men and women. Or least, it is heavily implied (that's the impression I always got from him).

Leliana I suppose I just assumed with bisexual. Or perhaps even lesbian, but I never romanced her so I don't have a full experience of all of her dialogue.

[esper]

Atalanta wrote...

Fiacre wrote...
Uh, Zevran and Leliana? And Mass Effect has Liara and Kaidan, I think.

No, you're thinking "romanceable by either gender protagonist," not bisexual. You'd have no idea that they were interested in both genders unless you metagame.

As for Leliana, her relationship with Marjolaine could be interpreted in a lot of ways.

There were no doubt about Zevran, he stated as much multiple times.
The earring was gottten from a male lover (I am pretty sure he said prince). It was a girl who was the reason he took the hit on the wardens.

[Atalanta]

I think you guys are misinterpreting what I'm saying.

I'm not trying to "erase" a character's bisexuality, I'm saying that unless it's obviously stated, the player is free to interpret their sexuality any way that he/she wishes.

Sorry if I'm not expressing that well, haven't had my coffee yet.

Edit: And you guys may be right about Zevran and Leliana explicitly stating their interest in both genders regardless of what gender your protag is. My memories of convos with those two are a bit fuzzy.

Modifié par Atalanta, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[mopotter]

Just putting what I put on the poll:

For me, I find the story a lot more interesting when there are characters who don't want to romance one of my video selves but do want to romance another. I loved Sam and Steve in ME3.

Maybe if I only played one or two games it would work, but I usually play a lot more than one and I enjoy the idea that there are some characters that require I play a guy in order to see the romance or characters that are only interested in my female self. I actually enjoy having one of them say sorry, your not my type. i have another character around the corner who will be their type.