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[HellishFiend]

Bill Casey wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

JShepppp is correct. Given what we see in ME3, it is the right conclusion. ITers should be considering what the deeper implications of that are, rather than why he is wrong.

Motive is everything, in this case.

But he is wrong...
A well subverted political or military leader can bring down nations...

Bill, he is not wrong, and you and I both know it. Even accounting for the fact that it is a video game which needs to have a story conductive for awesome action sequences and whatnot, the Reapers take far too many hits and risks for it to be worth it. Also recall most of Harbinger's dialog from ME2. "Preserve Shepard's body if possible" etc. Harbinger doesnt care if Shep becomes a casualty or not.  

It does not make sense for the Reapers to go to as much trouble and take as many losses as they do for the sole purpose of indoctrinating Shepard. You can either continue to deny that, or figure out what the implications of that are. Your choice. 

[Ithurael]

Bill Casey wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

JShepppp is correct. Given what we see in ME3, it is the right conclusion. ITers should be considering what the deeper implications of that are, rather than why he is wrong.

Motive is everything, in this case.

But he is wrong...
A well subverted political or military leader can bring down nations...

Regardless if they indoc shep or not it wont matter if the battle for earth goes ill.

Indoctrinating shep only give the reapers a psychological victory over their enimies - and a damn good one at that. It is like when Frodo finally gave into the ring's influence at the end and turned. Also, maybe harbinger didn't want to risk that anyone could get to the beam?

[Conniving_Eagle]

This doesn't need a long explanation, JShepppp.

'You do not have the taint of indoctrination in you' -Vendetta.

[Bill Casey]

Not indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense...
He's the most influential person in the galaxy...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 novembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[HellishFiend]

Bill Casey wrote...

Not indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense...

Given how easily others have succumbed to indocrination, one would think that Shepard would have been indoctinated long ago. Are you absolutely sure it is even possible for the Reapers to do so? Keep an open mind. 

[Bill Casey]

Ithurael wrote...

Regardless if they indoc shep or not it wont matter if the battle for earth goes ill.

Yeah it will...
If the galaxy remains a united front, the Reapers will feel it...
They may still win; but they'll feel it...

Javik speaks of entire worlds falling because of an indoctrinated leader...
Indoctrinating Shepard would minimize Reaper losses...

He ropes people into suicide missions like it's thursday...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 novembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[Xellith]

Shepard aquires the Turian fleet
Shepard aquires the Salarian fleet
Shepard aquires the Asari fleet
Shepard aquires the Krogan
Shepard aquires Terminus fleets
Shepard gets inside the citadel and activates the citadel arms. He then makes his way upstairs and can pick one of 4 options.
Shepard does a tonne more than what I listed.

These things means that he was a threat to the reapers plans

And you say that trying to indoctrinate shepard makes no sense?

RLY?

[HellishFiend]

Bill Casey wrote...

He ropes people into suicide missions like it's thursday...

And that doesnt make you wonder what Shep is truly capable of? Not everything is at it seems, my friend. 

[KingZayd]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

This doesn't need a long explanation, JShepppp.

'You do not have the taint of indoctrination in you' -Vendetta.

I do not detect the taint of indoctrination in you*

There is a difference.

[demersel]

HellishFiend wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Not indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense...

Given how easily others have succumbed to indocrination, one would think that Shepard would have been indoctinated long ago. Are you absolutely sure it is even possible for the Reapers to do so? Keep an open mind. 

Ok, so the reapers, do not have any stake and reason to indoctrinate shepard. Yet the indoctrination attempt is clearly taking place. Sooo who would be doing it? Who has the motive?  What would leviathans want Shepard for? what use could he be for them if he is in a deep leviathan induced test simulation? What would be the point? 

[KingZayd]

HellishFiend wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Not indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense...

Given how easily others have succumbed to indocrination, one would think that Shepard would have been indoctinated long ago. Are you absolutely sure it is even possible for the Reapers to do so? Keep an open mind. 

How does Shepard being perfectly immune to the indoctrination make more sense than Shepard being a bit more resistant than others?

[Bill Casey]

HellishFiend wrote...

And that doesnt make you wonder what Shep is truly capable of? Not everything is at it seems, my friend.

You think Shepard has his own indoctrination power...
He is an L3 biotic even if you don't pick a biotic class...

The Leviathan were studying evolution of biotics in humans...


Am I warm?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 novembre 2012 - 10:45 .

[HellishFiend]

demersel wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Not indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense...

Given how easily others have succumbed to indocrination, one would think that Shepard would have been indoctinated long ago. Are you absolutely sure it is even possible for the Reapers to do so? Keep an open mind. 

Ok, so the reapers, do not have any stake and reason to indoctrinate shepard. Yet the indoctrination attempt is clearly taking place. Sooo who would be doing it? Who has the motive?  What would leviathans want Shepard for? what use could he be for them if he is in a deep leviathan induced test simulation? What would be the point? 

Demersel, it is ironic that you use those questions as ammo in defense of your current beliefs, because those are the exact questions you should be asking yourself and trying to find an answer for. Instead, you turn a blind eye and will never realize the truth.

[HellishFiend]

KingZayd wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Not indoctrinating Shepard doesn't make sense...

Given how easily others have succumbed to indocrination, one would think that Shepard would have been indoctinated long ago. Are you absolutely sure it is even possible for the Reapers to do so? Keep an open mind. 

How does Shepard being perfectly immune to the indoctrination make more sense than Shepard being a bit more resistant than others?

That is the right track. Keep asking the tough questions, and keep looking for the answers to them. 

[Restrider]

It's not like the Reapers did not try to kill Shepard in ME3.
At the final charge, where most ITers believe the indoctrination started, Harbinger just increases his influence on Shepard.
If he succeeds, he gains a valuable ally.
If he does not, he can still kill Shepard (that's why Shepard does not survive low/mid EMSDestroy in IT).
And you have to take into consideration that indoctrination is not something very exhausting for a Reaper. Even a dead Reaper indoctrinates. It's just their default modus operandi.

[Andromidius]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

This doesn't need a long explanation, JShepppp.

'You do not have the taint of indoctrination in you' -Vendetta.

Indeed.  With technology like that we know that the Protheans were completely immune to being infilitrated and brought down from within by indoctrinated agents!

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Oh wait, they were.  Your argument is invalid.

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

That is the right track. Keep asking the tough questions, and keep looking for the answers to them. 

Care to spit out what it is that you're dancing around?

[demersel]

HellishFiend wrote...

Demersel, it is ironic that you use those questions as ammo in defense of your current beliefs, because those are the exact questions you should be asking yourself and trying to find an answer for. Instead, you turn a blind eye and will never realize the truth.

I don't use it as ammo - I just ask the questions. It is curious though how you avoid answering the question. 

[Soul8lighter]

Bill Casey wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

And that doesnt make you wonder what Shep is truly capable of? Not everything is at it seems, my friend.

You think Shepard has his own indoctrination power...
He is an L3 biotic even if you don't pick a biotic class...

The Leviathan were studying evolution of biotics in humans...


Am I warm?

http://youtu.be/lNIFpAVJGRg?t=2m20s

[demersel]

Wait, how is he an L3 biotic even if you don't take a biotic class?

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

That is the right track. Keep asking the tough questions, and keep looking for the answers to them. 

Care to spit out what it is that you're dancing around?

I wish I could, but I have chosen not to. It is not something that can be.... forced. 

Stay tuned to my "Choose Wisely" videos. I wont "spit it out" in them either, but I will be talking about considerations necessary to discover the truth. 

Anyway, I think I have said my piece here... I hope I have not put anyone off, as that was not my intention.  The goal is simply to get people to think, contemplate, and consider that maybe there is more to this than anyone realizes. 

[Bill Casey]

demersel wrote...

Wait, how is he an L3 biotic even if you don't take a biotic class?

Talk to Kaidan in ME1...

[demersel]

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[KingZayd]

demersel wrote...

Wait, how is he an L3 biotic even if you don't take a biotic class?

I guess he has the physical capability, but completely lacks biotic talent? As in, he can't focus properly for his powers to work effectively.

Modifié par KingZayd, 30 novembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[demersel]

Bill Casey wrote...

demersel wrote...

Wait, how is he an L3 biotic even if you don't take a biotic class?

Talk to Kaidan in ME1...

I did. Extensivly. So?