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[Desert Oasis]

Except for downloading the fix packs of course. I tend to like the look of vanilla Baldurs Gate. I have no problems with the interface and design at all. I find it still a blast to play unmodded. I tried tutu, but of course, it just didn't have that BG 1 feel that I like. A lot of people say the graphics are bad and such and I disagree. I still like the graphic style and look. It adds a certain charm and atmosphere to it.

Do you ever play Baldurs Gate or ToTSC vanilla still? I do and still and enjoy it to this day. I know that enhanced edition is out, but I am wating for that to be patched before I give it a go.

Take care.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I prefer vanilla BG. I do prefer it with TotSC installed (which adds some spells, speed up projectiles, and alters the magic resistance of some important enemies), but I agree that the game doesn't work as well with Tutu.

[Kevin Lynch]

I've never played the BG games with mods other than the packs with fixes. Although I've not played in many years, I doubt I'd play it any other way. Perhaps some mods to make it work better with modern displays (widescreen) but that would be it. If I ever clear a massive backlog of games, I may give it another go.

[gslester]

I only play vanilla with TotSC, no mods.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If I ever did mod BG, all I'd want to change is fix the Command spell so that it didn't allow a save (in the AD&D rules, Command isn't supposed to allow a save).

[Piplodocus]

I also played BG1 vanilla and unmodded for the longest time. I eventually tried Tutu and have not played vanilla BG1 since, I must admit, BUT I think I will at some point; it definitely has its own feel.

In fact, just the other day I was thinking to myself what I would suggest to a brand new player. I do think I'd suggest Tutu because my main concern with a brand new player would be not scaring them off by how "vintage" some of its stylings are and every little edge helps there. But I'm not sure - I'd want them to see all the menus and loading screens as I did way back when....

[VelvetV]

I'm playing BG + TotSC vanilla, but mostly because I've never played the game before. And I want to play how it was originally meant to be played by the developers back in time.

But in the beginning I couldn't bear it and downloaded a pack to install one mod from it: rest anywhere. They walked so damn slow that I couldn't bear playing like that, walking the party to the nearest inn all the time. I still haven't completed the game after a few months, because it takes too much time for them to walk.

Modifié par VelvetV, 04 décembre 2012 - 03:35 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

You could rest in the wilderness; you didn't need to go to an inn.

Admittedly, I'm unfamiliar with that mod, but the only places you can't rest pretty much at will is in cities. Does it just let you set up camp in the street?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Piplodocus wrote...

I also played BG1 vanilla and unmodded for the longest time. I eventually tried Tutu and have not played vanilla BG1 since, I must admit, BUT I think I will at some point; it definitely has its own feel.

In fact, just the other day I was thinking to myself what I would suggest to a brand new player. I do think I'd suggest Tutu because my main concern with a brand new player would be not scaring them off by how "vintage" some of its stylings are and every little edge helps there. But I'm not sure - I'd want them to see all the menus and loading screens as I did way back when....

I would not recommend Tutu to new players simply because of how weapon proficiencies work.  With Tutu, it's possible to specialise in weapons that exist only in limited quantities in BG - that could frustrate new players quite a bit.

[Piplodocus]

Good Point, Mr the Mad - although I suspect they'd have my nurturing/interfering hand behind them to guide them with such decisions... :-)

[Grimwald the Wise]

There are mods that rectify that too.

My weidu log is massive!

One thing that I didn't like about BG1 was that the game didn't pause when looking at your inventory.

However I think that I may yet again play it vanilla. I had years of fun playing it that way, but without the improved dialogue that you get with the various mods, I think that I would soon return to Tutu. I might even give BGT a try.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Grimwald the Wise wrote...

There are mods that rectify that too.

My weidu log is massive!

One thing that I didn't like about BG1 was that the game didn't pause when looking at your inventory.

That modern games do pause when looking at the inventory has, I think, encouraged inefficient inventory interfaces.  There's no way anyone would make us navigate a list inventory if the game didn't pause while we were doing it.

As it happens, I like the unpaused inventory in BG because it allowed you to do inventory management while walking from place to place in a city.  It basically eliminated the waiting time associated with walking.

[VelvetV]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

You could rest in the wilderness; you didn't need to go to an inn.

Admittedly, I'm unfamiliar with that mod, but the only places you can't rest pretty much at will is in cities. Does it just let you set up camp in the street?

But as far as I remember, my party couldn't rest in the wilderness. I had to watch it walk all the way to the inn every time somebody got hurt, and since at the beginning of the game characters are weak I was "starting to play BG1" for about two years... Until I discovered the patch.

This patch allows resting anywhere at all, although you might get interrupted in the streets sometimes. But in that case two or three new attempts solve the issue.

[Grond0]

You can rest anywhere in the wilderness, but not in town areas (except at inns). I imagine you were trying to rest somewhere like Nashkel - you can't do that even when the part of the area you're in looks uninhabited.

[Chaotic Clown]

I was a fan of Baldur's Gate vanilla until I got a widescreen monitor with a 1920 x 1080 native resolution. The game when scaled to fit is a pixelated horror. To adjust desktop size and position via the NVIDIA control panel to force 640 x 480 creates a tiny box (with black borders) in the centre of the screen. I tried both and eventually became unhappy with each of them.

Tutu and Trilogy are brilliant programs, but they dilute the original experience too much for my preference (without further modification) to continue using either for the improved resolution support. Moreover, I loath the installation process.

I found a fantastic GUI mod for Baldur's Gate vanilla that works in tandem with the widesceen mod. It is as I said, fantastic, but for one hitch that frustrates me to no end. When dialogue is initiated the camera is shunted first horizontally and then vertically (to centre the camera) in a sudden yet tedious process that happens again in reverse when dialogue reaches its conclusion. I stopped with this set-up shortly after departing from the Friendly Arm Inn.

I have not played the game since attempting to start a fresh playthrough around eight months ago, after weeks of slogging between one install to the next only to be disappointed with each. I still wish to play Baldur's Gate because it is my all time favorite game. I'm considering the Enhanced Edition as much for its ease of access as for the modern resolution support with a zoomable camera as standard. The changes to the user interface, the journal, the intro movies and the inventory screen are a small sacrifice in order to circumvent the banality of a Tutu or a Trilogy installation to receive an appealing resolution with a camera that can be zoomed at will.

My other plan was to see if my Grandfather still had an old CRT monitor knocking around in his attic!

[Selene Moonsong]

I never did play with mods. Hmmm... I think it time I installed it again, and I believe I still have some of my old unfinished saved games stored away on a CD as well.

[AnonymousHero]

I cannot play *without* mods. After playing no-reload for the last few years the game is just way too easy without SCS/SCS II.

[CoM Solaufein]

Its boring without mods.

[Grimwald the Wise]

Once you've sussed it out yes, but that took me years to do.

[lobotomy42]

I just finished my first playthrough of the version available at GOG, which I believe is vanilla (with the expansion)

[Gate70]

Yes it is vanilla, hope you enjoyed it. Are you continuing your game into BG2 (or was that a trilogy run already)?

[SlickRCBD]

Does only using Baldurdash and the ease-of-use mod for item stacking count as close enough to unmodded? I was always running out of arrows, bolts, and bullets and annoyed at having to leave all those arrows behind or being unable to carry treasure because my inventory was full of them. I looked into how to hack the limits and found the ease-of-use patch very early on. Other than that I played it unmodded and only recently started modding. Part of the reason was that most of the mods required ToTSC and I didn't get that until about seven years after getting the original game when somebody gave me their copy and said they hadn't played BG in years and wouldn't miss it as the person in question preferred other types of games and had gotten it as a gift.

[Waczack]

Well, I really don't trust mods, mostly because if there's a bug, you can't really complain about them. Without serious testing, they bring new bugs more often than not (even games with testing have some, so).

For the first game, I only played with Baldur's Gate + Tales of the Sword Coast + official patch, nothing else. Ever. I saw my friend once trying the Triology mod (or whatever it is called ; the one that let you play BG in BG II engine and rules), but somehow it seemed wrong.

For the second game, I played almost exclusively with Shadows of Amn + Throne of Bhaal + official patch. I tried Baldurdash once, because for me, it seemed like a "half-official patch", but when I found bugs that weren't present in the original game, re-installed the game without it. Never looked back.

I am more than happy and entertained by the game as it is, so I guess mods are just not for me. =)

[Grimwald the Wise]

Well Waczack, for years I played like you do, but eventually the game became too easy.

I then played Tutu with an ever-increasing number of mods.

However I now play Vanilla with Just Dark Side of the Sword Coast added.

I can play vanilla and then go to the extra areas when I feel like it which means that I can have the best of both worlds.