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[Rolenka]

He wrote Ender's Game, got rich and everything after that was garbage. And he went crazy.

http://fidgit.com/ar...bed_with_or.php

Why not use writers from Bioware?

[SheffSteel]

I think it's because they're regretting providing players the ability to roleplay homosexual characters without any apparent punishment or moral judgment being levied upon them, and are now seeking to redress the balance by giving money to someone who's opposed to gay rights.



Well, if you don't like it, provide a better answer.

[Rolenka]

Yeah, I mean, why should elves get all the hate? There's plenty to go around.

[Chris_Really_Rocks]

I don't get this one either. Bioware's writers are plenty competent. Maybe they're not all destined to write literary masterpieces but I'm pretty sure they can handle a comic book based on one of their own video games.



I, for one, happen to like much of Mr. Card's work and don't really care that he opposes gay marriage and thinks that homosexuality is aberrant -- these are valid opinions and political positions even though I do not concur with them. It's not as if he's a **** or NAMBLA member or something. So I have no problem with him working on the comics. . .



BUT, I still don't get why Bioware would hire someone outside, especially one whose views are polarizing and bound to alienate some people when they have their own great writers. Now, if they were hiring him to make a novel or screenplay or the like based on the game, that would make more sense. But a comic book?

[David Gaider]

Chris_Really_Rocks wrote...
I don't get this one either. Bioware's writers are plenty competent. Maybe they're not all destined to write literary masterpieces but I'm pretty sure they can handle a comic book based on one of their own video games.

While I appreciate the vote of confidence, we're pretty busy.

As for how anyone feels about Orson Scott Card's personal views, they're not very relevant to the work at hand unless it's being used as a platform for those views (which it is not). If someone really feels that the politics of a writer and their creative endeavours can't be seperated, that's up to them, but eliminating anyone from being eligible to work on a creative project simply because someone might find their personal views objectionable isn't something we're prepared to do.

[Chris_Really_Rocks]

David Gaider wrote...

..... but eliminating anyone from being eligible to work on a creative project simply because someone might find their personal views objectionable isn't something we're prepared to do.

I'm really glad to hear that.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Chris_Really_Rocks wrote...

and thinks that homosexuality is aberrant -- these are valid opinions and

This made me laugh.

Imagine if Bioware wanted to hire some religious misogynist writer that thinks woman are the cause for all the evil in the world. People on these forums would go crazy.

But of course, it's a valid opinion, and we should respect him, as long as it doesn't interfere with the work.

Valid opinion my butt.

[Ethical Scabs]

I just want to put in here that he advocated rebellion if gay marriage were rendered legal-- not that I'm saying he shouldn't write for any comics.



I just find it hilarious-- a bit like a Ron Paul for president, Dick Cheney for VP ticket would be.

[trickfred]

It's not just that his views are controversial, he's an activist. Any money earned by him through even non-related projects allows him more resources (money, time, what have you) to spend in his crusade to have laws created that take freedom away from people. People that lead a lifestyle that *he* disagrees with.



Which I disagree with. Oh well, what a shame... *wanders off and spends money on something else*

[Deran2]

I can't stand Orson Scott Card as a person, but he is generally a brilliant writer. His work on Ultimate Iron Man was amazing and I love the Ender series. Personally I'd rather have someone like Mark Waid, Grant Morrison, Mike Carey, or Marv Wolfman working on the comic, but I'm not against Card.

[lisakover]

He wrote Shadow Complex (xbox arcade game) and that was good.

[irinotecan]

I have to wonder if OSC knows about certain romance elements in the game...  And if not, and he suddenly found out, what his reaction might be... 

[Ryngard]

If he can keep his very different views to himself (different from me, Dragon Age, and I believe David Gaider) then let him write it. I think he is a talented writer, regardless of his... views.

[Killian Kalthorne]

Anything that OSC involved in I won't touch. I don't take kindly to bigots.

[Ethical Scabs]

Well, bigots with no real understanding of the American 'Democracy'. There's a pretty good reason we don't have a direct democracy, and that is to ensure there will be no tyranny of the majority.

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Tyranny of the majority is how you get great things like **** Germany, where the lesser constituents of society are preyed upon. Another example would be the neat things that happened in Athens (Socrates Shmocrates).

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With that said, --and this is my honest thought-- if it passes Mr. Gaider's quality control standards, I'm sure I'd be happy with it (or at least not offended). It just seems like a silly/funny idea at face value.

Modifié par Ethical Scabs, 05 janvier 2010 - 07:06 .

[Metasane]

Rolenka wrote...

He wrote Ender's Game, got rich and everything after that was garbage. And he went crazy.

http://fidgit.com/ar...bed_with_or.php

Why not use writers from Bioware?

I'll concede Children of the Mind was poor, but Speaker for the dead  is fantastic.

[Mummolus]

I find this topic highly amusing, and can't help but wonder if most of those complaining realize how ironic it is to stigmatize an author based on his views after a few generations of gay and lesbian activists fought to stop such stigmatization against them. Grow up, people.

[mousestalker]

He's a nice guy. He was very kind to my mother at one point.

More to the point, he is an excellent writer. I rarely buy game related merchandise. Knowing that Mr. Card is writing it means that I will be buying it.

So there.

Modifié par mousestalker, 05 janvier 2010 - 07:14 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Mummolus wrote...

I find this topic highly amusing, and can't help but wonder if most of those complaining realize how ironic it is to stigmatize an author based on his views after a few generations of gay and lesbian activists fought to stop such stigmatization against them. Grow up, people.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure gay and lesbian activists didn't fight so that a ignorant bitter old jackhole like Orson Scott Card could blame for them for AIDS and write essays on how they need to be rounded up on an island with all the ni**ers and spics so he doesn't have to deal with their colored gayness.

[Merlik]

David Gaider wrote...

Chris_Really_Rocks wrote...
I don't get this one either. Bioware's writers are plenty competent. Maybe they're not all destined to write literary masterpieces but I'm pretty sure they can handle a comic book based on one of their own video games.

While I appreciate the vote of confidence, we're pretty busy.

As for how anyone feels about Orson Scott Card's personal views, they're not very relevant to the work at hand unless it's being used as a platform for those views (which it is not). If someone really feels that the politics of a writer and their creative endeavours can't be seperated, that's up to them, but eliminating anyone from being eligible to work on a creative project simply because someone might find their personal views objectionable isn't something we're prepared to do.

Awesome, and I agree.  I will be checking out the comic.  

[Obliterati]

I think it's perfectly appropriate for BioWare to hire OSC, or whoever they wish, to write for them.



I also think it's perfectly appropriate for me to avoid financially supporting a man who I consider to be a race-baiting warmongering global-warming-denying homophobic glibertarian.



If I miss out on some awesome stories, well, I can live with that.

[Bullets McDeath]

What I have seen of his recent comic work has been pretty bad as well. Whoever was praising his Ultimate Iron Man mini above needs to get their head checked. He absolutely ruined and threw away everything great from that iteration of the character so he could shoe-horn in a bunch of recycled crap from Ender's Game. He hasn't written a good novel in ages, but from what I can tell he hasn't written a good comic... like, ever.



Oh well, unless it turns out Green Ronin hired Glenn Beck to write the flavor text for the tabletop RPG, I've got enough DA merchandise on the horizon anyway...

[Mummolus]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure gay and lesbian activists didn't fight so that a ignorant bitter old jackhole like Orson Scott Card could blame for them for AIDS and write essays on how they need to be rounded up on an island with all the ni**ers and spics so he doesn't have to deal with their colored gayness.

No, they fought to end oppression based on personal beliefs and practices, which is exactly what you're now doing to OSC.