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[Cellodanceparty]

I used to use the valiant quite frequently. I used to love the thing. But I've just lost that love in favor of the black widow/javelin. I really don't like using anything but those two in the SR department. Occasionally I'll branch out and use the collector rifle or Indra (for lulz), but I just don't feel good using the Valiant anymore. Sure, it can feasibly be a headshot machine, but I can't say I have any problems with that in the BW (the bw's recoil is predictable and completely manageable, and reload canceling even in Xbox makes that happen pretty more than quickly enough).

[Feneckus]

cgj wrote...

and btw, BW > Javelin even and especially on the GI

[Cellodanceparty]

Feneckus wrote...

cgj wrote...

and btw, BW > Javelin even and especially on the GI

I am leaning towards agreeing with this. I feel like I honestly need more practice with the Javelin before I make the call (the BW just feels rurl natural for me on the GI and SI), but I know I simply destroy things with the BW in any difficulty/map. Especially with phasic rounds, but that's neither here nor there I suppose. 

[Scam_poo]

Listen to Stardusk. I had the same impression with my Valiant IV, even. And don't even get me started on BW vs Valiant.

[Stardusk]

Cellodanceparty wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

cgj wrote...

and btw, BW > Javelin even and especially on the GI

I am leaning towards agreeing with this. I feel like I honestly need more practice with the Javelin before I make the call (the BW just feels rurl natural for me on the GI and SI), but I know I simply destroy things with the BW in any difficulty/map. Especially with phasic rounds, but that's neither here nor there I suppose. 

They are different but on a GI IF you can use it, the Javelin is better. You can OSOK almost anything.

[Stegoceras]

For those saying, "but this is better than this because you don't need to headshot" Tsk tsk, learn to aim, if you aren't going for those sweet headshots you shouldn't be dragging around a sniper rifle you are just selling yourself short.

[KyreneZA]

Stardusk wrote...

 What is the point of the Valiant? It has a cool scope in sound, maybe that is the appeal to it?

I could throw the math at you (both for use with Infiltrators and other classes), but decided to just say: No, you're just an idiot posting another of your idiotic, uninformed troll posts.

Go do your homework, and then come back and post an apology thread.

[cgj]

Cellodanceparty wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

cgj wrote...

and btw, BW > Javelin even and especially on the GI

I am leaning towards agreeing with this. I feel like I honestly need more practice with the Javelin before I make the call (the BW just feels rurl natural for me on the GI and SI), but I know I simply destroy things with the BW in any difficulty/map. Especially with phasic rounds, but that's neither here nor there I suppose. 

trust me i've long gotten over the javelin's learning curve and i'm not bad at getting the headshots (you need those if not using  good enough ammo)

the only instance the javelin can compete with the BW is against cerberus, against other factions the BW comes on top

Modifié par cgj, 01 décembre 2012 - 12:45 .

[k1ngl1ves]

I prefer the Valiant over the Black Widow. It's much lighter with low recoil. With that said, my true favorite SR is the Indra. Basically an AR with a scope... and extremely light.

[Stardusk]

Kyrene wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

 What is the point of the Valiant? It has a cool scope in sound, maybe that is the appeal to it?

I could throw the math at you (both for use with Infiltrators and other classes), but decided to just say: No, you're just an idiot posting another of your idiotic, uninformed troll posts.

Go do your homework, and then come back and post an apology thread.

You are quite funny. Why did I do much better with the Viper? and always do FAR better with the Black Widow? I don't give a **** about the so-called maths, why? because in game, performance is what counts.

[megabeast37215]

Stegoceras wrote...

For those saying, "but this is better than this because you don't need to headshot" Tsk tsk, learn to aim, if you aren't going for those sweet headshots you shouldn't be dragging around a sniper rifle you are just selling yourself short.

What? This position is ridiculous.

I know how to aim, I'm a damn good shot actually. The point isn't about my ability to aim, it's about what's faster/more efficient. Why shoot the head twice when a body shot with another weapon achieves the same outcome more quickly and with less effort? Because it's cool? That's preposterous. Talk about limiting your ability to kill quickly.

[BellHanger]

Stegoceras wrote...

For those saying, "but this is better than this because you don't need to headshot" Tsk tsk, learn to aim, if you aren't going for those sweet headshots you shouldn't be dragging around a sniper rifle you are just selling yourself short.

I think the point that they are making is that you dont HAVE to worry about getting headshots on the other snipers. They give the same reward for less work. Sorta like punching through a door vs. opening it. Sure punching the door feels badass but opening it wont leave you with a bloody fist, and a bill for a new door.

[KyreneZA]

Stardusk wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

 What is the point of the Valiant? It has a cool scope in sound, maybe that is the appeal to it?

I could throw the math at you (both for use with Infiltrators and other classes), but decided to just say: No, you're just an idiot posting another of your idiotic, uninformed troll posts.

Go do your homework, and then come back and post an apology thread.

You are quite funny. Why did I do much better with the Viper? and always do FAR better with the Black Widow? I don't give a **** about the so-called maths, why? because in game, performance is what counts.

Yeah, and performance is largely based on the mathematical possibilities of certain weapons.

There's a reason this thread is currently rated so low. Carry on in your ignorance...

[megabeast37215]

BellHanger wrote...

I think the point that they are making is that you dont HAVE to worry about getting headshots on the other snipers. They give the same reward for less work. Sorta like punching through a door vs. opening it. Sure punching the door feels badass but opening it wont leave you with a bloody fist, and a bill for a new door.

You put it so eloquently... well done sir.

[Stardusk]

Kyrene wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

 What is the point of the Valiant? It has a cool scope in sound, maybe that is the appeal to it?

I could throw the math at you (both for use with Infiltrators and other classes), but decided to just say: No, you're just an idiot posting another of your idiotic, uninformed troll posts.

Go do your homework, and then come back and post an apology thread.

You are quite funny. Why did I do much better with the Viper? and always do FAR better with the Black Widow? I don't give a **** about the so-called maths, why? because in game, performance is what counts.

Yeah, and performance is largely based on the mathematical possibilities of certain weapons.

There's a reason this thread is currently rated so low. Carry on in your ignorance...

You do realise I snipe with the T.Soldier, not Infiltrators. Tell me on him, how the Valiant is better than the Viper and especially the Black Widow? and the thread is rated low because people are butthurt about a weapon they like. That doesn't change the fact that a Viper X on the T.Soldier will perfomr better than a Valiant II and a Black Widow X will perform better than both.

[megabeast37215]

Kyrene wrote...

Yeah, and performance is largely based on the mathematical possibilities of certain weapons.

There's a reason this thread is currently rated so low. Carry on in your ignorance...

You're being ridiculous. I have no dog in your fight with the PC guys... but seriously, the math on the Valiant doesn't add up to how it performs in game.

Please tell me what soldier would pick a weapon that requires two headshots to kill an enemy, versus one that can kill an enemy just by touching them.

[Stardusk]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Yeah, and performance is largely based on the mathematical possibilities of certain weapons.

There's a reason this thread is currently rated so low. Carry on in your ignorance...

You're being ridiculous. I have no dog in your fight with the PC guys... but seriously, the math on the Valiant doesn't add up to how it performs in game.

Please tell me what soldier would pick a weapon that requires two headshots to kill an enemy, versus one that can kill an enemy just by touching them.

Or on the Viper vs. Valiant debate; I get 6 rapid fire shots with zero recoil vs. a the Valiant with 3 shots and recoil is not issue to begin with that weapon.

[Alien Number Six]

Stegoceras wrote...

For those saying, "but this is better than this because you don't need to headshot" Tsk tsk, learn to aim, if you aren't going for those sweet headshots you shouldn't be dragging around a sniper rifle you are just selling yourself short.

Agreed

[Feneckus]

Saying the BW is better than the Javelin on the GI is ridiculous. Hunter Mode + Javelin means you can pretty much hit anything if you're in the right spot. Can the BW OSK a phantom with a body shot through a couple of walls ?

It's also the better boss killer. The BW can't OSK a Scion/Brute.

Stegoceras wrote...

For those saying, "but this is better than this because you don't need to headshot" Tsk tsk, learn to aim, if you aren't going for those sweet headshots you shouldn't be dragging around a sniper rifle you are just selling yourself short.

First of all, you can't get headshots every single time while trying to fire as fast as the ROF would allow, no matter how good you are.

And what about multi kills ? With a Javelin/BW you might headshot a phantom and kill the two dragoons/centurions behind her with body shots.

[Stardusk]

The only SR that can body shot most things is the Javelin; all others pretty much need headshots so that part of the debate is pretty irrelevant.

[Alien Number Six]

I have the Valient VI and the Viper X. The Valiant is a better weapon. The Viper requires more shots to kill. I only have the Black Widow on the main game. Even there it is a apple vs. orange situation. The Valient is lighter and has less recoil. The Black Widow hits harder. But if you can't land headshots carry a different weapon class.

[megabeast37215]

Stardusk wrote...
Or on the Viper vs. Valiant debate; I get 6 rapid fire shots with zero recoil vs. a the Valiant with 3 shots and recoil is not issue to begin with that weapon.

I see your point about how the Viper essentially performs like a 6 shot Valiant on the Tsol.

There is another issue with the Valiant that doesn't effect PC users but seriously hurts console users... aim assist. All the reloading means lots of re-scoping/reaquiring targets in rapid succession, this means consolers are more affected by aim assist on this weapon than all sniper rifles. Earlier tonight it became, problematic on later waves due to reloading constantly to keep shooting bosses.

Inb4yetanotherPCmasterraceLAMEassComment.

[megabeast37215]

Stardusk wrote...

The only SR that can body shot most things is the Javelin; all others pretty much need headshots so that part of the debate is pretty irrelevant.

Not true.

Black Widow with Phasic

Kishock with anything really...

[CNevarezN]

I have so many SR Rail Amps that I feel bad. It's either the BW X or the Jav X. Decisions, decisions o.O

[suprhomre]

I have never liked the valiant, if i could i would give them all away for someone who can use them better then me. But there are no trading cards here.