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[megabeast37215]

Alien Number Six wrote...
But if you can't land headshots carry a different weapon class.

Why does sniping automatically = headshots? They are not mutually exclusive to each other.

[CNevarezN]

suprhomre wrote...

I have never liked the valiant, if i could i would give them all away for someone who can use them better then me. But there are no trading cards here.

So true man. I would trade my Sniper Rail amps in a hearbeat.

[Stardusk]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The only SR that can body shot most things is the Javelin; all others pretty much need headshots so that part of the debate is pretty irrelevant.

Not true.

Black Widow with Phasic

Kishock with anything really...

Nope. Try OSOKing a Gold Centurion with a T.Soldier and a body shot. It does not work. Or on the Human with AR for that matter.

[Alien Number Six]

Feneckus wrote...

Saying the BW is better than the Javelin on the GI is ridiculous. Hunter Mode + Javelin means you can pretty much hit anything if you're in the right spot. Can the BW OSK a phantom with a body shot through a couple of walls ?

It's also the better boss killer. The BW can't OSK a Scion/Brute.

Stegoceras wrote...

For those saying, "but this is better than this because you don't need to headshot" Tsk tsk, learn to aim, if you aren't going for those sweet headshots you shouldn't be dragging around a sniper rifle you are just selling yourself short.

First of all, you can't get headshots every single time while trying to fire as fast as the ROF would allow, no matter how good you are.

And what about multi kills ? With a Javelin/BW you might headshot a phantom and kill the two dragoons/centurions behind her with body shots
 

I like to hit the enemy with powers that stun, stagger, or freeze the target to set up my headshots.

[HolyAvenger]

*shrugs*

Whatever, preference is preference. The topic referred to the Viper, which was idiotic.

When it comes down to the BW/Jav and the Valiant, its a personal preference thing. I can honestly take all 3 to Plat and score well, so I'm pleased. 

If you start talking theoretical DPS, managing recoil, headshots versus bodyshots etc. none of that can be quantified as we all play differently.

Personally, for me, the Valiant is just as effective as the other 2. 

[BellHanger]

Reading all of this makes me want to respec my GI to a sniper build. Just hope the auto aim doesnt screw me over.

[megabeast37215]

Stardusk wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The only SR that can body shot most things is the Javelin; all others pretty much need headshots so that part of the debate is pretty irrelevant.

Not true.

Black Widow with Phasic

Kishock with anything really...

Nope. Try OSOKing a Gold Centurion with a T.Soldier and a body shot. It does not work. Or on the Human with AR for that matter.

I don't snipe with the Tsol... I snipe with things that have a 25% multiplicative Sniper Rifle bonus.

The only sniper rifles I use on non-infiltrators are the Kishock and Collector Sniper Rifle.

I prefer my Tsol with rapid fire weapons.

[Stardusk]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The only SR that can body shot most things is the Javelin; all others pretty much need headshots so that part of the debate is pretty irrelevant.

Not true.

Black Widow with Phasic

Kishock with anything really...

Nope. Try OSOKing a Gold Centurion with a T.Soldier and a body shot. It does not work. Or on the Human with AR for that matter.

I don't snipe with the Tsol... I snipe with things that have a 25% multiplicative Sniper Rifle bonus.

The only sniper rifles I use on non-infiltrators are the Kishock and Collector Sniper Rifle.

I prefer my Tsol with rapid fire weapons.

And I don't snipe with Infiltrators so I am sure many of the arguments are coming from people who ONLY snipe with them. See how great the Valiant is a on a Soldier. It is not.

[megabeast37215]

Stardusk wrote...
And I don't snipe with Infiltrators so I am sure many of the arguments are coming from people who ONLY snipe with them. See how great the Valiant is a on a Soldier. It is not.

Unlike alot of the people arguing with you in this thread, I at least see your point of view.

I also acknowledge that the Valiant becomes even more crappy in the hands of non-infiltrators. This is evidenced by the damage it does when I'm not using Tac Cloak (since you can get another 3 round salvo off before cloak recharges). The damage without cloak is... VERY underwhelming.

[BellHanger]

Stardusk wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The only SR that can body shot most things is the Javelin; all others pretty much need headshots so that part of the debate is pretty irrelevant.

Not true.

Black Widow with Phasic

Kishock with anything really...

Nope. Try OSOKing a Gold Centurion with a T.Soldier and a body shot. It does not work. Or on the Human with AR for that matter.

I don't snipe with the Tsol... I snipe with things that have a 25% multiplicative Sniper Rifle bonus.

The only sniper rifles I use on non-infiltrators are the Kishock and Collector Sniper Rifle.

I prefer my Tsol with rapid fire weapons.

And I don't snipe with Infiltrators so I am sure many of the arguments are coming from people who ONLY snipe with them. See how great the Valiant is a on a Soldier. It is not.

Isnt the claymore a better sniper on that guy than anything?

[Alien Number Six]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...
But if you can't land headshots carry a different weapon class.

Why does sniping automatically = headshots? They are not mutually exclusive to each other.

After speaking with several snipers during my time in the U.S. Army overseas they all told me the same thing. Sniping is about "One shot, One kill." Hitting the head or the heart and killing the target instantly from range and then moving to another firing position. In Mass Effect 3 the heart isn't a killshot. That leaves the head. Stripping the shields from a target and blowing it's head off is smooth and effective. A weapon with three shots in the clip can mean three kills in a short period of time using a doctrine that military snipers use in real life.

:alien::alien::alien:

[megabeast37215]

Alien Number Six wrote...
After speaking with several snipers during my time in the U.S. Army overseas they all told me the same thing. Sniping is about "One shot, One kill." Hitting the head or the heart and killing the target instantly from range and then moving to another firing position. In Mass Effect 3 the heart isn't a killshot. That leaves the head. Stripping the shields from a target and blowing it's head off is smooth and effective. A weapon with three shots in the clip can mean three kills in a short period of time using a doctrine that military snipers use in real life.

:alien::alien::alien:

What if I told you there are weapons in this game that adhere to the "One shot, one kill" mantra that don't require headshots?

If you'd been reading any of this, you'd know that I listed these weapons about 10 FREAKIN' TIMES so far.

Also... you're not OSOK anything in 1 shot from a Valiant that has shields.... so now you have to use your powers to strip them. But your powers have a cooldown, so you need like 9 seconds to kill 3 enemies. Take your Black Widow, cloak, shoot 3 Marauders in the chest, they all die.

[Alien Number Six]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...
And I don't snipe with Infiltrators so I am sure many of the arguments are coming from people who ONLY snipe with them. See how great the Valiant is a on a Soldier. It is not.

Unlike alot of the people arguing with you in this thread, I at least see your point of view.

I also acknowledge that the Valiant becomes even more crappy in the hands of non-infiltrators. This is evidenced by the damage it does when I'm not using Tac Cloak (since you can get another 3 round salvo off before cloak recharges). The damage without cloak is... VERY underwhelming.

I use the Valiant with the Geth Engineer. With a extended barrel and armor piercing mod. If Stardusk is better with the Viper that is great. Good to see someone using a under valued weapon. The great thing about this game is the varity of the various weapons. That leads to these debates. 
:alien::alien::alien:

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

Back when I used to use the Valiant sometimes, it was on an infiltrator, and on silver, so obviously the valiant was all I needed with the 40% buff to SR's and the weaker enemies. It is worth noting that the majority of the community still do not play on gold or above, so weapons like this are actually more useful to some than you are finding.

I have always preferred my snipers with a claymore and a widow - I don't see the point in a black widow when my widow can be reload cancelled and it does so much more damage, but then I only use the widow when my claymore wont hit!

I wouldn't use it on a soldier, and I wouldn't take it to gold, I am not that good so if I am going gold I will pick the very best gear I can. This said, its not that bad a gun on silver at all.

[Alien Number Six]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...
After speaking with several snipers during my time in the U.S. Army overseas they all told me the same thing. Sniping is about "One shot, One kill." Hitting the head or the heart and killing the target instantly from range and then moving to another firing position. In Mass Effect 3 the heart isn't a killshot. That leaves the head. Stripping the shields from a target and blowing it's head off is smooth and effective. A weapon with three shots in the clip can mean three kills in a short period of time using a doctrine that military snipers use in real life.

:alien::alien::alien:

What if I told you there are weapons in this game that adhere to the "One shot, one kill" mantra that don't require headshots?

If you'd been reading any of this, you'd know that I listed these weapons about 10 FREAKIN' TIMES so far.

Also... you're not OSOK anything in 1 shot from a Valiant that has shields.... so now you have to use your powers to strip them. But your powers have a cooldown, so you need like 9 seconds to kill 3 enemies. Take your Black Widow, cloak, shoot 3 Marauders in the chest, they all die.

It's too bad the Mass Effect 3 gods haven't decided me worthy to carry the Black Widow into battle. I would use it if I had it. I can see your point but if im bothering to carry a sniper rifle I aim for the head. During the war I carried the 240 Bravo light machine gun on missions. It is a area weapon that was given to me because I was a large man who wasn't the best shot in the world. My size and strength allowed me to lift and run with a weapon that was twice the weight of the M-4 semi automatic assault rifle. I could get that monster where it needed to go when it needed to get there. It wasn't very accurate but when I opened up with that baby everyone on the street ducked and ran for cover. But sometimes I wished I was a better shot so I could go to sniper school. I tried out a few times but just wasn't good enough. I like using the sniper rifles in the game because I find those headshots so enjoyable.

:alien::alien::alien:

Modifié par Alien Number Six, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:04 .

[InvincibleHero]

Gonna have to agree the valiant lacks punch, but they are effectively in the same boat. It used to be good before other snipers were buffed and enemies were buffed further and collectors added.

[Stardusk]

BellHanger wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

The only SR that can body shot most things is the Javelin; all others pretty much need headshots so that part of the debate is pretty irrelevant.

Not true.

Black Widow with Phasic

Kishock with anything really...

Nope. Try OSOKing a Gold Centurion with a T.Soldier and a body shot. It does not work. Or on the Human with AR for that matter.

I don't snipe with the Tsol... I snipe with things that have a 25% multiplicative Sniper Rifle bonus.

The only sniper rifles I use on non-infiltrators are the Kishock and Collector Sniper Rifle.

I prefer my Tsol with rapid fire weapons.

And I don't snipe with Infiltrators so I am sure many of the arguments are coming from people who ONLY snipe with them. See how great the Valiant is a on a Soldier. It is not.

Isnt the claymore a better sniper on that guy than anything?

These days I favour the Wraith as a shotgun sniper.

[Poison_Berrie]

Stardusk wrote...

You do realise I snipe with the T.Soldier, not Infiltrators. Tell me on him, how the Valiant is better than the Viper and especially the Black Widow? and the thread is rated low because people are butthurt about a weapon they like. That doesn't change the fact that a Viper X on the T.Soldier will perfomr better than a Valiant II and a Black Widow X will perform better than both.

The Turian Soldier plays to the weaknesses of the Viper, while the Valliant doesn't have those weaknesses in the first place. So yes on the Turian Soldier taking the Viper might actually work out better. 

That said the point of the Valliant is that not all classes are Turian Soldier and they should get a better performance out of the Valliant than the Viper. On those classes the Valliant improves on the Viper's weaknesses at the cost of clip size and weight.

[parico]

Valiant is a poor mans Black Widow. The only good promo weapon is the hurricane the rest are just garbage.

[landylan]

Add a headshot modifier(or just increase damage) and make it lighter.

[Wookie_Smuggler]

Valiant is much better for repetitive headshots imo due to a lot less recoil than viper. And just because you play better with something doesn't make it a better gun. It just makes it a gun that suits your playstyle more.

[chris2365]

I guess it just comes down to a matter of preference and/or class. I use a Valiant V on my Salarian Infiltrator and I consistently top the scoreboard on Platinum. I usually cloak, ED if shields/barriers or PM if armor, and then fire. Or if I have Inciendiary ammo, cloak, shoot. PM and watch the fireworks.

I've tried using the BW on him, but I find that it has too much recoil and weighs too much. The Valiant is the perfect compromise (for me, anyhow). Decent weight, excellent accuracy, fast ROF, zero recoil, zero reload time, and good damage.

Modifié par chris2365, 01 décembre 2012 - 08:16 .

[Cellodanceparty]

There's a lot of talk about snipers not being able to OSK mooks. BW with phasic rounds has been an instant kill for damn near anything. Hell, you two shot ravegers and brutes if you know where to shoot. With using the SR gear (not the consumable) and Phasic Rounds III you can OHK even phantoms in quick succession. (glorious moment was OHKing three phantoms,all head shots and using only two bullets. Woop Woop!)

[SeanThen1]

I just don't care for the valiant. I prefer 1-shot snipers or the black widow. Heck, I'd take the kishock over the Valiant.

[capn233]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I don't snipe with the Tsol... I snipe with things that have a 25% multiplicative Sniper Rifle bonus.

Turian Soldier is actually very good with the Black Widow.  I am glad I saw Stardusk's thread about it.

You can body shot -> CS a Nemesis if you are using Disruptor Ammo on it and that will kill her.  So that's nice I guess.