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[Operator m1]

samg8 wrote...

I think my Valiant is at XIII and it's my favorite weapon. Not great for bosses but headshots on everything else and it's a wrap. I love it!

13?

[Miniditka77]

Stardusk wrote...

OmegaRex wrote...

Viper X isn't even better than a Valiant I.

How is it leagues better than a II?

It's much better than the Valiant. It does almost as much damage and has 6 shots vs. 3.

And doesn't shoot as fast or reload as fast, and has more recoil so you have to re-target between shots.  Most anyone can probably get 6 Valiant headshots in faster than they can get 6 Viper headshots.  The Viper's only advantage is weight.

EDIT:  This tells the story.  Maximum Multi-clip Reload Cancelled DPS:
Valiant I - 566.0
Viper X - 402.58

Viper is clearly inferior.  If you do better with the Viper than the Valiant, then by all means, use the Viper.  But using actual statistics, the Viper X is clearly inferior to any Valiant in any category but weight.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:51 .

[Ice Cold J]

You're REALLY comparing a level 2 weapon to a level 10?

Wow... someone sucks at math.

[Destructo-Bot]

lightswitch wrote...

My point with the above post is that arguing the Valiant is better than the BW because it's a better primer is just weird. It's like arguing the Beretta is better than a Colt .45 because the Beretta is better as a paperweight. Why not just get a paperweight? If your whole strategy is to prime and set off explosions, take a weapon that's optimal for that purpose.

Who said it was "better" than the BW? I just said it wasn't a million blajillion times worse than the Viper (or the BW) like the topic title states. And don't knock it until you've tried it, it's hard to realize the potential of a build until you've run it. Also you may have missed the summary in my post, but the Valiant one shotting mooks would ultimately lower the build's damage output. If you want to one shot things, the Javelin is a fine weapon... the Valiant fills other roles.

The ultimate point is that it is a perfectly suitable weapon to take to gold or platinum. Everyone running the same characters with the same weapons because statistically they're the best would be lame and boring. The Valiant is fun, fire explosions are fun, using it doesn't detract from getting things dead, and oh yea... it's fun!

edit: wait no... the OP is right! The Valiant... horrible, horrible gun. Bioware should buff the heck out of it. 3 more shots in a clip

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 03 décembre 2012 - 07:02 .

[KyreneZA]

tyhw wrote...

Tl;dr:  DPS sucks.  Use better measures to compare weapon performance.  Viper is as good as a Valiant on a T.So, not as good otherwise.  BW is better than all

Perhaps DPS figures suck, but using a very specific corner case (TSol with Marksman) to make a generalized (and hyperbolic) claim is plain mad. And that's my beef with this thread's OP.

[KyreneZA]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

edit: wait no... the OP is right! The Valiant... horrible, horrible gun. Bioware should buff the heck out of it.

*rub hands in glee* Oh yes, it's terribad. BUFF NAOW PLS BIOWARE!!!11!!!

[Hexi-decimal]

It's really simple. Put a BW in my hands, I do alright. Put a Valiant in my hands, I destroy. Perhaps someone with equal skill and a perference for the BW may do better but since I last checked this isn't a pissing contest.... Cause at the end of the day, as long as I was effective, perhaps not optimal, but effective that is good enough.

[Sabbatine]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

tyhw is correct. You can't one shot Centurions, Marauders, etc. with a Valiant. You can with a Black Widow. DPS is good and all, but doesn't take into account things like time to line up shots, misses, the value of OSK's, etc.

And If you're using the Valiant on the basis that it's a good boss killer there's something wrong...

One shot centurions?  On what difficulty, bronze?

I use the valiant on the basis that it's a good all around weapon.  The rate of fire and reload speed make it ideal for a highly mobile style of play.  I don't try and min/max against a specific enemy type because I play against random enemies on random maps with random people.

[Azrael 007]

*Note to self* The Valiant is a crowd favorite. Never insult it.

[Stardusk]

Azrael 007 wrote...

*Note to self* The Valiant is a crowd favorite. Never insult it.

Seems that way.

[Tybo]

Sabbatine wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

tyhw is correct. You can't one shot Centurions, Marauders, etc. with a Valiant. You can with a Black Widow. DPS is good and all, but doesn't take into account things like time to line up shots, misses, the value of OSK's, etc.

And If you're using the Valiant on the basis that it's a good boss killer there's something wrong...

One shot centurions?  On what difficulty, bronze?

I use the valiant on the basis that it's a good all around weapon.  The rate of fire and reload speed make it ideal for a highly mobile style of play.  I don't try and min/max against a specific enemy type because I play against random enemies on random maps with random people.

Hah!  On Gold, I can one-shot Centurions with a body shot.  Phantoms with a headshot.  With a Black Widow.  This has nothing to do with min-maxing for a certain faction, it applies to every faction.  I can one-shot headshot geth hunters, and collector captains, and marauders.  It is equally applicable for all factions.

[Stardusk]

tyhw wrote...

Sabbatine wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

tyhw is correct. You can't one shot Centurions, Marauders, etc. with a Valiant. You can with a Black Widow. DPS is good and all, but doesn't take into account things like time to line up shots, misses, the value of OSK's, etc.

And If you're using the Valiant on the basis that it's a good boss killer there's something wrong...

One shot centurions?  On what difficulty, bronze?

I use the valiant on the basis that it's a good all around weapon.  The rate of fire and reload speed make it ideal for a highly mobile style of play.  I don't try and min/max against a specific enemy type because I play against random enemies on random maps with random people.

Hah!  On Gold, I can one-shot Centurions with a body shot.  Phantoms with a headshot.  With a Black Widow.  This has nothing to do with min-maxing for a certain faction, it applies to every faction.  I can one-shot headshot geth hunters, and collector captains, and marauders.  It is equally applicable for all factions.

...with an Infiltrator.

[Steppdaddy2]

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[LemurFromTheId]

Stardusk wrote...

Azrael 007 wrote...

*Note to self* The Valiant is a crowd favorite. Never insult it.

Seems that way.

Oh, get real. This has nothing to do with anyone insulting Valiant. Your first posts were just pure trolling. You made BS claims that Viper X is "leagues better" than Valiant II, that Valiant is "garbage" and that Viper "performs better". And you made many posts like that before mentioning the turian soldier.

Yes, there are corner cases where Viper is comparable to Valiant and it may indeed fit your playstyle and personal preferences better, but you can't make those kinds of generalized statements and expect people to take your word for it.

Generally speaking, Valiant - even at level I - is a better weapon. It shoots faster and does more damage per shot, while being very much a comparable weapon otherwise. It's as simple as that.

[Stardusk]

Aedolon wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Azrael 007 wrote...

*Note to self* The Valiant is a crowd favorite. Never insult it.

Seems that way.

Oh, get real. This has nothing to do with anyone insulting Valiant. Your first posts were just pure trolling. You made BS claims that Viper X is "leagues better" than Valiant II, that Valiant is "garbage" and that Viper "performs better". And you made many posts like that before mentioning the turian soldier.

Yes, there are corner cases where Viper is comparable to Valiant and it may indeed fit your playstyle and personal preferences better, but you can't make those kinds of generalized statements and expect people to take your word for it.

Generally speaking, Valiant - even at level I - is a better weapon. It shoots faster and does more damage per shot, while being very much a comparable weapon otherwise. It's as simple as that.

Viper X is better on a T.Soldier than a Valiant II. Are you contesting that?

[LemurFromTheId]

Stardusk wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Azrael 007 wrote...

*Note to self* The Valiant is a crowd favorite. Never insult it.

Seems that way.

Oh, get real. This has nothing to do with anyone insulting Valiant. Your first posts were just pure trolling. You made BS claims that Viper X is "leagues better" than Valiant II, that Valiant is "garbage" and that Viper "performs better". And you made many posts like that before mentioning the turian soldier.

Yes, there are corner cases where Viper is comparable to Valiant and it may indeed fit your playstyle and personal preferences better, but you can't make those kinds of generalized statements and expect people to take your word for it.

Generally speaking, Valiant - even at level I - is a better weapon. It shoots faster and does more damage per shot, while being very much a comparable weapon otherwise. It's as simple as that.

Viper X is better on a T.Soldier than a Valiant II. Are you contesting that?

No, I don't contest that, even if I'm not entirely convinced. They're certainly comparable. I haven't done any extensive comparisons with that kit.

My point is that you made a lot of generalized statements before you ever mentioned turian soldier in the first place, and generally speaking, the claim that "Viper X is leagues better than Valiant II" is just plain false.

[Princess Rolf]

Stardusk wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Azrael 007 wrote...

*Note to self* The Valiant is a crowd favorite. Never insult it.

Seems that way.

Oh, get real. This has nothing to do with anyone insulting Valiant. Your first posts were just pure trolling. You made BS claims that Viper X is "leagues better" than Valiant II, that Valiant is "garbage" and that Viper "performs better". And you made many posts like that before mentioning the turian soldier.

Yes, there are corner cases where Viper is comparable to Valiant and it may indeed fit your playstyle and personal preferences better, but you can't make those kinds of generalized statements and expect people to take your word for it.

Generally speaking, Valiant - even at level I - is a better weapon. It shoots faster and does more damage per shot, while being very much a comparable weapon otherwise. It's as simple as that.

Viper X is better on a T.Soldier than a Valiant II. Are you contesting that?

Saber X is better on a TS, than a Viper X. Are you contesting that?

Are you serious or just a bad player???

[Stardusk]

Aedolon wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Azrael 007 wrote...

*Note to self* The Valiant is a crowd favorite. Never insult it.

Seems that way.

Oh, get real. This has nothing to do with anyone insulting Valiant. Your first posts were just pure trolling. You made BS claims that Viper X is "leagues better" than Valiant II, that Valiant is "garbage" and that Viper "performs better". And you made many posts like that before mentioning the turian soldier.

Yes, there are corner cases where Viper is comparable to Valiant and it may indeed fit your playstyle and personal preferences better, but you can't make those kinds of generalized statements and expect people to take your word for it.

Generally speaking, Valiant - even at level I - is a better weapon. It shoots faster and does more damage per shot, while being very much a comparable weapon otherwise. It's as simple as that.

Viper X is better on a T.Soldier than a Valiant II. Are you contesting that?

No, I don't contest that, even if I'm not entirely convinced. They're certainly comparable. I haven't done any extensive comparisons with that kit.

My point is that you made a lot of generalized statements before you ever mentioned turian soldier in the first place, and generally speaking, the claim that "Viper X is leagues better than Valiant II" is just plain false.

It's common knowledge I don't use Infiltrators so it was pretty logical I was not using an Infiltrator.

[Destructo-Bot]

Topic title and first post; no mention of Turian Soldier. Expecting everyone to be a BSN expert just for your benefit is silly. If you don't want called out, it's on you to spell out what the deal is to start with. Are you really going to give someone a hard time because they can't read minds?

If you try to defend that, there is no help for you. It's perfectly reasonable to expect someone to spell out their build for a topic like this to start with.

edit: Tsol not mentioned in at least the first 5 of your posts, and not even on the first page. Pretty lame, I'm on the other guys side here. You're the one being ignorant with your response due to not backing up your claims with ANY useful information for a page and a half. Make a contentious topic, don't post useful information, bait people that get annoyed over it. That's trolling, even if it wasn't your intention.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 03 décembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[LemurFromTheId]

Stardusk wrote...

It's common knowledge I don't use Infiltrators so it was pretty logical I was not using an Infiltrator.

Oh, I guess it was the other Stardusk who posted that excellent huntress video.

I've seen Valiant used by people playing neither turian soldier nor an infiltrator. Crazy, huh?

[megabeast37215]

I used my kids Valiant X for about 5 games last night... I must say, it was pretty badass. I liked it better on the Salarian than the GI.

The boss damage was very good... and the mook damage was exceptional, 2 hit body shots shielded mooks.. still took two shots though. A headshot was taking shielded mooks down to less than half life consistently. It JUST MIGHT be able to OSK shielded mooks with a headshot using Phasic Rounds III... but my kid DIDN'T HAVE ANY... and needed a few new mods and stuff so I never got any in the packs I bought for him.

But yeah... the boss damage, it was damn good. Used Warp ammo IV and Incendiary ammo IV almost exclusively. The headshot damage on Banshees was great, like 3+ bars of armor per shot. I was able to 3 shot Ravagers with plenty of overkill from the third shot.

I want to do some comparisons to my Valiant VII... which I haven't put much time on yet. But... I would honestly say... it hangs with the big boy sniper rifles... at X.

Modifié par megabeast37215, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:18 .

[HolyAvenger]

PostedaplatSIvidonpage2

Its better on the SI because the SI can tank like a mofo using ED, which allows you to be out and about pumping out shots and dat DPS...

GI is better with a burst fire weapon like Jav thanks to being a glass cannon.