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[Crinkledern]

d4eaming wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

Honestly, I have played a heck of a lot more out of DA2 than I have DAO, and I haven't even played DAA yet. You act as though only your opinion counts. Just because you apparenrtly hated DA2 doesn't mean Bioware needs to cater to your tastes.

I hate the DAO combat system. It's slow and reminds me of watching paint dry. Everyone moves at a snail's pace, and my characters keep bumping into each other, stopping, then trying to path around, then stopping again when the NPC gets in the way. The DA2 combat feels like an upgraded DAO combat to me. Yes, it's sped up, but for me that makes it far more interesting and engaging. I want to watch my character actually fight and kick some ass, not watch it bump into the NPCs and stop and think about how to path around them to get to the mob.

And for me the combat system in DA:O didn't bother me at all. It was strategic, only of the only strategic modern games at the time it was released.

Basically, you're saying it was fine that they change the game if it benefits you, even though the game mechanics were already estabished and people like dragonage origins for that reason. Its not right to say "I like parts of DA:O, but i like ME more so i want it to be more like that" just because you say so.

And you're whining about them updating the game in ways that you don't like. So, who should they cater to? You or me? The only game mechanics I can think off the top of my head that got removed were traps.

You're basically throwing a whiny fit because the game changed in some ways you don't like, yet when someone tells you that they actually enjoy the changes, you throw another hissy fit and accuse them of wanting to be catered to to your own detriment when no one has made such a statement. I like DAO. I like DA2. I prefer the sped up combat style of 2 over Origins. I kind of miss trap laying from Origins, but you know what, I can go with the flow because me enjoyment of DA2 overshadowed any disapointments I had from the transition from Origins.

Do I miss the origin stories and multiple race selection? Yes, yes I do. Does that mean I hate DA2 or think it's a failure? Hell no. I take DA2 for what it was intended and enjoy it on those merits, no different than when I go see a movie adaptation of a favorite book. I expect it to the different, and then I judge its merits on that difference. So you hated DA2, good for you. I didn't.

It is not a matter of who "deserves" to be catered to more than anyone else. You don't deserve to have it all your way {and only your way) any more than I do, and I don't have the arrogance to claim otherwise.

The game should be catered towards the people that liked the first game for what it was, not the demands of people who want to change it. Changing it for the better is good, but when you're changing it to be like something else that is successful, or appease a greater audience with the intent of profit, that usually ends in disaster.

Don't get me wrong i liked certain parts of Dragonage II, but it wasn't what DA:O had started.

Modifié par Malmortius, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:04 .

[xsdob]

Malmortius wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Sorry i didn't realise the majority of this brainwashed fanbase was so inept.

Are you incapable of constructing a mature criticism without resorting to being blatantly offensive and gross to the people who don't agree with you? Pull on some big boy pants and be an adult about your criticisms without striving to offend your readers as much as possible.

I did contruct a mature critism, under it. But you ignore that don't you.

Kinda hard to take that point seriously when you just came out and fliped off everyone who didn't agree with you. Maybe I should try that in my next debate class. Call my opponent an inept brainwashed fanboy, than make my good point. It's a garunteed way to win the debate and show I can articulate my points well right?

I got the impression i was being spoken to like a child, even before i said anything rude. The guy said "I don't recall DA2 being a cover based shooter." despite the fact i went into alot more detail than that. I responded with a valid point. What he said had little relevence at all.

You answered his points up above, you could have easily just said "I already answered that. Try and read" or something like that. Instead you went and had to go and insult everyone who didn't hate DA2 with your post.

This all could have been avoided with a level head.

[Crinkledern]

xsdob wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Sorry i didn't realise the majority of this brainwashed fanbase was so inept.

Are you incapable of constructing a mature criticism without resorting to being blatantly offensive and gross to the people who don't agree with you? Pull on some big boy pants and be an adult about your criticisms without striving to offend your readers as much as possible.

I did contruct a mature critism, under it. But you ignore that don't you.

Kinda hard to take that point seriously when you just came out and fliped off everyone who didn't agree with you. Maybe I should try that in my next debate class. Call my opponent an inept brainwashed fanboy, than make my good point. It's a garunteed way to win the debate and show I can articulate my points well right?

I got the impression i was being spoken to like a child, even before i said anything rude. The guy said "I don't recall DA2 being a cover based shooter." despite the fact i went into alot more detail than that. I responded with a valid point. What he said had little relevence at all.

You answered his points up above, you could have easily just said "I already answered that. Try and read" or something like that. Instead you went and had to go and insult everyone who didn't hate DA2 with your post.

This all could have been avoided with a level head.

Well i guess no one is perfect. Eye for an eye. Do i really have to sugarcoat my post with smileys and "This is just my opinion"

[Crinkledern]

Blackrising wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Sorry i didn't realise the majority of this brainwashed fanbase was so inept.

Are you incapable of constructing a mature criticism without resorting to being blatantly offensive and gross to the people who don't agree with you? Pull on some big boy pants and be an adult about your criticisms without striving to offend your readers as much as possible.

I did contruct a mature critism, under it. But you ignore that don't you.

Kinda hard to take that point seriously when you just came out and fliped off everyone who didn't agree with you. Maybe I should try that in my next debate class. Call my opponent an inept brainwashed fanboy, than make my good point. It's a garunteed way to win the debate and show I can articulate my points well right?

I got the impression i was being spoken to like a child, even before i said anything rude. The guy said "I don't recall DA2 being a cover based shooter." despite the fact i went into alot more detail than that. I responded with a valid point. What he said had little relevence at all.

Uh, no. You basically just accused Bioware of being money-hungry monsters and claimed that DA:O was so much better than DA 2.
I don't see this 'valid point' in your original post.

Sigh, im talking about the valid point in my second reply. Thats what this argument within and argument is about. Leave it to the people to were actually arguing about it instead of butting in.

Modifié par Malmortius, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:07 .

[cJohnOne]

Awww, I liked shuffle, shuffle, hit. As far as the dialogue wheel goes, I believe the polls show a pretty even split in popularity. A voiced protaganist isn't a step backward in my point of view.

[d4eaming]

There is a monumental difference between being civil and blowing rainbows out your butt. It is actually possible, despite what you may have been told, to state your criticisms in a thoughtful manner without falling back on offensive claims and deliberately alienating the audience you claim you want to engage.

In other words, you have more options than just being a righteous jerkwad and puking up suger.

Modifié par d4eaming, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:09 .

[Crinkledern]

Rojahar wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

I don't recall DA2 being a cover based shooter.

Because one irrelevant gameplay mechanic has something to do with this, right?

Describe what you mean then.  HOW was it like Mass Effect?  Specify what you disliked, in as objective terms as possible, so they can be understood, recognized, and perhaps even addressed.

For example: Don't just say "The combat was dumbed down and not tactical." but explain what made it dumbed down and not tactical to you.  Did you just dislike the different camera?  Did you just dislike the combat animations?  Didn't like waves?  What about DAO did you find more tactical?

Sorry i didn't realise the majority of this brainwashed fanbase was so inept.

You're focusing too much on the combat. Dragonage wasn't even about the combat, it was about the diversity and the world reacting to you. Antoher one of the things that Dragonage II failed to do. One character works for Mass effect, why? because the trilogy is about one character. Dragonage didn't need complete personalization of the protagonist, it was about the journey. Combat was a big part and in alot of places it was slow and clumsy, but like i said it didn't have to be changed, just improved.

Thats my point. Not changed, just improved.

I said, "for example".  I was giving an example of a vague statement, and then more specific questions which if answered would improve and clarify the vague statement. That's why I said it was an example.

You started the thread by just calling DA2 a terrible Mass Effect clone, and didn't specify why you claim such, then acted offended when someone mocked your claim.  You should have been more specific.

Since you do bring up issues with DA2 combat, HOW did you think it was inferior to DAO?

I thought the skill trees and class design were an improvement over DAO, and thought cross class combos were an interesting element.  I'd love if they expanded the combo system (more potential cross class combos, more emphasis on making use of it regularly through a variety of builds and party makeups) and loosened up the restrictions on skill trees (between pre-req skills and level requirements, it made the trees more linear than they needed to be, though still far less linear than DAO was, IMO).

Dragon Age hasn't become the story of Hawke.  We'll be playing a new protagonist in DA3.  Many even claim the story wasn't enough about Hawke and that he wasn't central enough to DA2's plot, so I don't see where your claim of one protagonist, complete personalization, and being like Mass Effect are coming from.  How was DA2 any less about "the journey" than DAO, other than literal mileage travelled?

Dragonage: Origin was about the world. The main character was the world.

Dragonage IIs story was too personalized, and the rest of the game suffered because of it. The game was set in only a handful of places, aren't sequels supposed to expand on the previous game? It looked like they thought "We can get away with doing less work if we make the story more focused"

DAII just didn't have nearly as much content as DA:O. Thats where it stems from, really. Laziness.

Modifié par Malmortius, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[d4eaming]

DA2 was rushed out. It is not laziness on Bioware's part when they are not given sufficient time to actually do it the same way DAO was. I read that DA2 was pushed out within a year. Yes, it suffers for it, but that is an EA problem, not a Bioware problem. For rushing the game out inside a year, they did a hell of a job with it.

[cJohnOne]

Oops I got confused It's an even split on the voiced protaganist.

[Crinkledern]

d4eaming wrote...

DA2 was rushed out. It is not laziness on Bioware's part when they are not given sufficient time to actually do it the same way DAO was. I read that DA2 was pushed out within a year. Yes, it suffers for it, but that is an EA problem, not a Bioware problem. For rushing the game out inside a year, they did a hell of a job with it.

Ehh, i'm not sure if i'm able to just pass the blame and think "lets just hope for the best."

DA2 was rushed. If we say "Thats ok, we know its EAs fault" then nothing changes, and they do it again.

[Avaflame]

I'm not sure you've said one thing that wasn't pure ridiculousness.

Malmortius wrote...

Thats where it stems from, really. Laziness.

Yes, I'm sure the devs will just be lining up to appease you. You know, unless they're feeling extra lazy.

[SafetyShattered]

Blackrising wrote...

Yes yes DA 2 sucked blablabla Bioware is a money-eating monster blabla what I don't like needs to be changed blablabla I'll just go ahead and whine instead of giving constructive criticism.

Thank you, I'd rather have another topic about 'all-bisexual' companions or a human-only protagonist.
*sigh*

I know, these kind of topics just annoy me now. At first I understood, after all DA2 was a pretty huge change from DAO. But now it's just irritating. I mean seriously, I understand you disliked DA2 OP, I get it. But we've already discussed this so many times before. 

[Crinkledern]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Yes yes DA 2 sucked blablabla Bioware is a money-eating monster blabla what I don't like needs to be changed blablabla I'll just go ahead and whine instead of giving constructive criticism.

Thank you, I'd rather have another topic about 'all-bisexual' companions or a human-only protagonist.
*sigh*

I know, these kind of topics just annoy me now. At first I understood, after all DA2 was a pretty huge change from DAO. But now it's just irritating. I mean seriously, I understand you disliked DA2 OP, I get it. But we've already discussed this so many times before. 

Then doesn't that prove a point? If there are always people complaining about it then its for a reason.

[Blackrising]

Malmortius wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Sorry i didn't realise the majority of this brainwashed fanbase was so inept.

Are you incapable of constructing a mature criticism without resorting to being blatantly offensive and gross to the people who don't agree with you? Pull on some big boy pants and be an adult about your criticisms without striving to offend your readers as much as possible.

I did contruct a mature critism, under it. But you ignore that don't you.

Kinda hard to take that point seriously when you just came out and fliped off everyone who didn't agree with you. Maybe I should try that in my next debate class. Call my opponent an inept brainwashed fanboy, than make my good point. It's a garunteed way to win the debate and show I can articulate my points well right?

I got the impression i was being spoken to like a child, even before i said anything rude. The guy said "I don't recall DA2 being a cover based shooter." despite the fact i went into alot more detail than that. I responded with a valid point. What he said had little relevence at all.

Uh, no. You basically just accused Bioware of being money-hungry monsters and claimed that DA:O was so much better than DA 2.
I don't see this 'valid point' in your original post.

Sigh, im talking about the valid point in my second reply. Thats what this argument within and argument is about. Leave it to the people to were actually arguing about it instead of butting in.

Cute.
You actually think saying "Bioware made DA 2 just like Mass Effect for the money and that's why it sucks!1!11!!" is a valid point.

...And you expect other people to stay out of an argument...on an openly-accessible forum? I repeat: Cute. Very cute.

[Crinkledern]

Avaflame wrote...


I'm not sure you've said one thing that wasn't pure ridiculousness.

Malmortius wrote...

Thats where it stems from, really. Laziness.

Yes, I'm sure the devs will just be lining up to appease you. You know, unless they're feeling extra lazy.

And you all say i'm the one being difficult? Passive aggressive crap like this doesn't help anyone yet im the bad guy. Its why i end up most of the time responding with insults.

[Crinkledern]

Blackrising wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Sorry i didn't realise the majority of this brainwashed fanbase was so inept.

Are you incapable of constructing a mature criticism without resorting to being blatantly offensive and gross to the people who don't agree with you? Pull on some big boy pants and be an adult about your criticisms without striving to offend your readers as much as possible.

I did contruct a mature critism, under it. But you ignore that don't you.

Kinda hard to take that point seriously when you just came out and fliped off everyone who didn't agree with you. Maybe I should try that in my next debate class. Call my opponent an inept brainwashed fanboy, than make my good point. It's a garunteed way to win the debate and show I can articulate my points well right?

I got the impression i was being spoken to like a child, even before i said anything rude. The guy said "I don't recall DA2 being a cover based shooter." despite the fact i went into alot more detail than that. I responded with a valid point. What he said had little relevence at all.

Uh, no. You basically just accused Bioware of being money-hungry monsters and claimed that DA:O was so much better than DA 2.
I don't see this 'valid point' in your original post.

Sigh, im talking about the valid point in my second reply. Thats what this argument within and argument is about. Leave it to the people to were actually arguing about it instead of butting in.

Cute.
You actually think saying "Bioware made DA 2 just like Mass Effect for the money and that's why it sucks!1!11!!" is a valid point.

...And you expect other people to stay out of an argument...on an openly-accessible forum? I repeat: Cute. Very cute.

See? all you're doing is summerizing my posts into what you want. Putting words into my mouth.

Typical. Maybe i don't speak much sense, but you are making even less sense so i'm done with you.

[Dhiro]

Ding ding ding ding ding ding

BSN bingo!

[Avaflame]

Malmortius wrote...

Avaflame wrote...


I'm not sure you've said one thing that wasn't pure ridiculousness.

Malmortius wrote...

Thats where it stems from, really. Laziness.

Yes, I'm sure the devs will just be lining up to appease you. You know, unless they're feeling extra lazy.

And you all say i'm the one being difficult? Passive aggressive crap like this doesn't help anyone yet im the bad guy. Its why i end up most of the time responding with insults.

Maybe if you left yourself open to productive, mature responses, you would get them. I've yet to see you say anything remotely near the realm of constructive or reasonable and you consistently try to bite the head off of anyone who points it out.

[Crinkledern]

Dhiro wrote...

Ding ding ding ding ding ding

BSN bingo!

This community: Say anything you want, no matter how insignificant or agressive as long as it doesn't bash DA2.

[Fredward]

-stares at the thread title-

[Crinkledern]

Avaflame wrote...

Malmortius wrote...

Avaflame wrote...


I'm not sure you've said one thing that wasn't pure ridiculousness.

Malmortius wrote...

Thats where it stems from, really. Laziness.

Yes, I'm sure the devs will just be lining up to appease you. You know, unless they're feeling extra lazy.

And you all say i'm the one being difficult? Passive aggressive crap like this doesn't help anyone yet im the bad guy. Its why i end up most of the time responding with insults.

Maybe if you left yourself open to productive, mature responses, you would get them. I've yet to see you say anything remotely near the realm of constructive or reasonable and you consistently try to bite the head off of anyone who points it out.

Blatently you are seeing what you want to see.

"Dragonage: Origin was about the world. The main character was the world.

Dragonage IIs story was too personalized, and the rest of the game suffered because of it. The game was set in only a handful of places, aren't sequels supposed to expand on the previous game? It looked like they thought "We can get away with doing less work if we make the story more focused"

DAII just didn't have nearly as much content as DA:O. Thats where it stems from, really. Laziness.

You're focusing too much on the combat. Dragonage wasn't even about the combat, it was about the diversity and the world reacting to you. Antoher one of the things that Dragonage II failed to do. One character works for Mass effect, why? because the trilogy is about one character. Dragonage didn't need complete personalization of the protagonist, it was about the journey. Combat was a big part and in alot of places it was slow and clumsy, but like i said it didn't have to be changed, just improved.

The game should be catered towards the people that liked the first game for what it was, not the demands of people who want to change it. Changing it for the better is good, but when you're changing it to be like something else that is successful, or appease a greater audience with the intent of profit, that usually ends in disaster.

Don't get me wrong i liked certain parts of Dragonage II, but it wasn't what DA:O had started."

Modifié par Malmortius, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:44 .

[Crinkledern]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

-stares at the thread title-

Oh for god sake, whats wrong with it? 

[Maria Caliban]

Reading your list, I'd say that for you, DA:I isn't a return to DA:O but mostly like DA II.

Malmortius wrote...

-Dialog wheel taken from Mass effect

Dialogue wheel is in.

-Loot system/equip restrictions inspired by Mass effect 

Loot system is the same, though the companion can wear different armos.

-Main character voice acting like Mass effect

Voice acting is in.

-Human only character like Mass effect

There's only a human PC

Malmortius wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

-stares at the thread title-

Oh for god sake, whats wrong with it?

Instead of 'Are BioWare...?' it should be 'Is BioWare...?'

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:54 .

[Crinkledern]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Reading your list, I'd say that for you, DA:I isn't a return to DA:O but mostly like DA II.

Malmortius wrote...

-Dialog wheel taken from Mass effect

Dialogue wheel is in.

-Loot system/equip restrictions inspired by Mass effect 

Loot system is the same, though the companion can wear different armos.

-Main character voice acting like Mass effect

Voice acting is in.

-Human only character like Mass effect

There's only a human PC

Malmortius wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

-stares at the thread title-

Oh for god sake, whats wrong with it?

Instead of 'Are BioWare...?' it should be 'Is BioWare...?'

Sigh, looks like its going to be more of DA2. All i can remember is copy paste dungeons, bad voice acting and stale characters. Seriously, you heard male hawkes voice actor? Its why i prefer my imagination to do it i.e DA:O

Seems like using your imagination is forbidden around these parts.

[Crinkledern]

Apologies, double post by mistake.

Modifié par Malmortius, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:58 .