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[Taint Master]

I can't lie, Flemeth is the most intriguing character in this series for me.

She's one of the few direct ties DA2 had to DAO, but even after two games we still don't know much about her. 

According to Morrigan, she's not a blood mage, an abomination, or even human, but she is extremely dangerous.  And yet, in both games she actually saves the protagonist's life.

Any ideas on how she might tie into DA3's templar vs mage conflict? 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Flemeth theory:

An old hag who talks too much.

[Taint Master]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Flemeth theory:

An old hag who talks too much.

That's gratitude for ya.  She saved your ass twice!

[Imp of the Perverse]

I'm thinking she might be one of the two remaining forbidden ones (Imshael or The Formless One, the other two being Xebenkeck from DA2 and Gaxkang from DAO.) If you read the codex entry on them, they're even responsible for the existence of blood magic, so it'd have direct relevance to the mage rebellion. My guess is she'd be Imshael, since there's a pretty obvious candidate for The Formless One already.

Modifié par Imp of the Perverse, 02 décembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[TheBlackAdder13]

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

I'm thinking she might be one of the two remaining forbidden ones (Imshael or The Formless One, the other two being Xebenkeck from DA2 and Gaxkang from DAO.) If you read the codex entry on them, they're even responsible for the existence of blood magic, so it'd have direct relevance to the mage rebellion. My guess is she'd be Imshael, since there's a pretty obvious candidate for The Formless One already.

Maybe I'm just an idiot but who's the candidate for The Formless One? The maker? Cole? 

[Imp of the Perverse]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

I'm thinking she might be one of the two remaining forbidden ones (Imshael or The Formless One, the other two being Xebenkeck from DA2 and Gaxkang from DAO.) If you read the codex entry on them, they're even responsible for the existence of blood magic, so it'd have direct relevance to the mage rebellion. My guess is she'd be Imshael, since there's a pretty obvious candidate for The Formless One already.

Maybe I'm just an idiot but who's the candidate for The Formless One? The maker? Cole? 

Yeah, I was thinking Cole. Wasn't sure if I should post it since it might be sort of a spoiler to anyone that hasn't finished Asunder.

[Reznore57]

I don't think she cares deeply about the conflict ...
I mean I do hope this is a buid up for something else because her and morrigan talk about the world about to change etc...
If they just meant this war , well I'm disappointed.
I mean sure it will brings some changes but when a war is done , things settle and life goes on.
You'd think an old creature like Flemeth has seen tons of this already.
So I'm just waiting for The Thing that will twist this conflict into something bigger .
Mystical mysterious world threat!

[StarcloudSWG]

 I think Flemeth/Asha-Bellenar is actually Fen'Harel. Not one of the forgotten demons like Gax'kang.

[n7stormrunner]

flemeth is a old elven myth the "woman of many years" who saves/choses those destinied for greatness but kills any one else who finds her.

p.s. only the name/title is game lore.

[Sylvanpyxie]

I love Flemeth, purely because she's so open to interpretation. She could be Fen'Harel, an Old God, a Forbidden One, some random crazy, the ultimate evil in the world manipulating all events to her own cause.

Personally, I like to think of Flemeth as Andraste.

Andraste was powerful, influential, prophetic and something of a mystery. Flemeth spouts prophetic bile like a paladin spouts religious claptrap. She's strong, independent, manipulative, older than we can possibly imagine and something of a mystery. She could have been alive during the time of Andraste, and she has all the traits of Andraste herself.

Plot twist. DUN DUN DUUUUUUNNNN. <- The only reason I like to think of Flemeth as Andraste.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 02 décembre 2012 - 12:31 .

[Navasha]

Well the elves call her Asha Bellanar, which I believe means "Woman of Many Years". Shes probably something unique like the Lady of the Forest.

Or maybe some form of incarnation of Mythal.

Modifié par Navasha, 02 décembre 2012 - 12:34 .

[Drakar123]

Flemeth could be Andraste who was the Dumat OGB.The timeline for Andraste's birth and Dumat's death fits and she could have just avoided her apparent death via that amulet trick she used.There was probably at least one OGB before the fifth blight since morrigan was absolutely certain her ritual would work.You can't be certain of something like that unles it was done before.

[Wolfspawn]

Flemeth is the Old God Baby thanks to Doc Brown and a sex-change surgery.

Which has... disturbing... implications.

[Huge_Beaver]

I thought she might have been born through a old ritual like morrigans child was/could have been, this is just a fun theory that i thought of that probably holds no weight so don't be mean

[ledod]

Flemeth is not powerful- she just merely depicts herself as such. Also, as evidenced by her multi-fathered brood, is as chaste as a cat.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Something to do with Dragons, that much is clear. Not just because she can turn into one. If you read Silent Grove you learn how entwined the witches are with dragons, paired with their interest in Urthemiel, its clear what their agenda pertains to.

I don't think she is a forbidden one. Those are demons, powerful but still demons, and according to Morrigan she is not that. I also don't think she is Fen'Harel because I'm still theorizing that that is actually the Maker. (As in he is pretending to be the maker) But thats another rocky theory that would take a lot to explain, off topic.

Right now my best guess for Flemeth is actually Urzara. I think theres more to dragons in this game then people realize, which then hits you in the face when you remember "Dragon Age" is the title of the series. First, context, I think all the old gods are powerful spirits that are not indifferent from the elven pantheon. The names and identities they have now are simply a result of a different civilization, the Imperium, gaining naming rights after defeating the elves. Whether or not the old gods were dragons in the elven age is hard to tell, it possible they took elven forms back then and only turned to inhabit the body of dragons later. But I think they are one in the same, the old gods being locked away by the maker no different then Fen'Harel locking the elven pantheon away, both being the same event from different perspectives.

With that context lets get to my point. Urzara was somewhat of a demigod you could say in the hierarchy being the daughter of Urthemiel, but she was hunted and killed by man. But would that truly kill its powerful spirit? Remember the old gods couldn't simply be killed before, they had to be locked away. Their spirits had to be trapped, killing them would just release them to the fade. So I think thats what happened to Urzara, and eventually she found her way to Flemeth and struck a deal with her. Thus, Flemeth is possessed not by just some powerful demon, but an actual godly dragon spirit. What makes this theory a little less shaky is the fact that Urthemiel, her father, is the archdemon in DAO that Flemeth sent Morrigan to "rescue" so to speak. That and it gives her a clear reason to be trying to bring about the return of dragons.

Maybe she's another less known or even unknown dragon spirit and not Urzara. She definitely is deeply entwined with the dragons though, and from what we know so far the dragons used to essentially rule the world, at least a handful of them with powerful enough spirits. So her beign Fen'Harel wouldn't really make much sense, since he was the one to imprison them to begin with.


PS: Being able to delve into the lore and thoerize about things like this is one of the reasons I love Dragon Age so much.  My ideas have changed a dozen times over on this topic and will probably continue to do so, and I love that. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 02 décembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Never knowing quite who or what Flemeth is for the remainder of the series would be fine by me. BIG REVEALS pertaining to mysterious individuals (or forces of nature) in works of fiction, regardless of the medium, are often unnecessary and disappointing.

Remember the midi-chlorians? They were little more than the Star Wars universe's equivalent of mithochondria, a way of explaining why certain individuals were gifted in the Force and how these individuals were able to connect with this omnipresent cosmic energy and manipulate it, and yet this little idea single-handedly ruined the mystery and mysticism of the Force for an entire generation of old-school fans. It did nothing to enrich Star Wars lore and in fact empoverished it it instead.

The Catalyst a.k.a. The Starchild is another one that upset a lot of people because its very existence was a big reveal. I wasn't that conflicted over that particular reveal myself; my issues were more with the poor execution, such as the character's appearance and the really bad, flat, lifeless voice-acting (prior to the Extended Cut, the fact that we got talked at for something like ten minutes non-stop and none of it was all that interesting). Regardless, it stands as a good example of a big reveal gone bad as far as a certain segment of fandom is concerned

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 02 décembre 2012 - 01:49 .

[Imp of the Perverse]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Right now my best guess for Flemeth is actually Urzara.

It's great that there's a rich enough game world that they aren't stuck with a single antagonist or crisis for the entire series, but it seems like the old gods are only tangentially related to the mage crisis, which means we'd probably have to wait for DA4 before a Flemeth as Urzara  would be revealed and fully explored. That theory does make me think of this song though.

[cowoline]

Maybe Flemeth is Andraste? Now wouldn't that be a twist that would turn the Chantry upside down?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Taint Master wrote...

I can't lie, Flemeth is the most intriguing character in this series for me.

She's one of the few direct ties DA2 had to DAO, but even after two games we still don't know much about her. 

According to Morrigan, she's not a blood mage, an abomination, or even human, but she is extremely dangerous.  And yet, in both games she actually saves the protagonist's life.

Flemeth, "You are required to do nothing, least of all believe. Shut one's eyes tight or open one's arms wide, either way, one's a fool."

Taint Master wrote...

Any ideas on how she might tie into DA3's templar vs mage conflict? 

Flemeth, "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."


Flemeth, "Either the threat is more or they realize less. Or perhaps the threat is nothing. Or perhaps they realize nothing!" ( Laugh )



I guess the dialogues fit in.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 02 décembre 2012 - 02:06 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Perhaps she is a phoenix. Or Mythal incarnate.

Or...Flemeth may be something altogether different and unique – for all we know, she may wind up being the Storyteller figure shared by ancient cultures across the globe. She is seemingly omnipotent and omniscient, she moves the story along by just a mere cameo and a well-delivered riddle (or the plucking of a hero from the threat of a Darkspawn horde), and she has uttered what is both guidance and prophecy from a detached position outside of the action. She has said herself that she is not bound by the limitations of time and space – she can be in multiple places at once (how very like the description of a god). She is merely a piece of herself, projected. A shadow, I suppose, abstracted from what we (and Hawke and the Warden) perceive as reality. Maybe the world is hers and hers alone to shape. We are but the players, and the rapt audience.

[Doctoglethorpe]

whykikyouwhy wrote...
Or...Flemeth may be something altogether different and unique – for all we know, she may wind up being the Storyteller figure shared by ancient cultures across the globe. She is seemingly omnipotent and omniscient, she moves the story along by just a mere cameo and a well-delivered riddle (or the plucking of a hero from the threat of a Darkspawn horde), and she has uttered what is both guidance and prophecy from a detached position outside of the action. She has said herself that she is not bound by the limitations of time and space – she can be in multiple places at once (how very like the description of a god). She is merely a piece of herself, projected. A shadow, I suppose, abstracted from what we (and Hawke and the Warden) perceive as reality. Maybe the world is hers and hers alone to shape. We are but the players, and the rapt audience.

[Fortlowe]

I don't know exactly how, let alone why it'll happen, but I've always had the feeling that at some point Flemeth will break the forth wall, and speak directly to the player.

Modifié par Fortlowe, 02 décembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[hexaligned]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Never knowing quite who or what Flemeth is for the remainder of the series would be fine by me. BIG REVEALS pertaining to mysterious individuals (or forces of nature) in works of fiction, regardless of the medium, are often unnecessary and disappointing.

I agree. She works fine as a plot device.  Undefined and mysterious suits her well, the character would actually suffer from being more fledged out, imo.

That being said I'm a fan of the Fen'Harel theory, for no other reason than I just Iike trickster characters/gods.

Modifié par relhart, 02 décembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[The Six Path of Pain]

ledod wrote...

Flemeth is not powerful- she just merely depicts herself as such. Also, as evidenced by her multi-fathered brood, is as chaste as a cat.

The Warden did kick her ass and temporarily killed her...Then again that is the Warden were talking about.Pretty sure in game she would probably be top 5 in terms of power along with The Warden,Hawke(:sick:lol),and most likely The Inquisitor.And I'm pretty sure she kidnapps all her so called daughters.