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[Azrielon]

I think Flemeth is Flemeth. Although if I had to make a theory about her, I would guess Fen'harel. She has a connection with the dalish and she is a shapeshifter (wich part of the dread wolf's story involved him masqurading as a member of each side of the old gods, wich can be interpretted as shapeshifting). She also has a strong trickster vibe to me.

As for how she is involved in the conflict? Well if we follow the scant pattern (it is difficult to call two games a pattern for me) but I would guess the Protaganist bites off more than it can chew with a demonic gateway (I believe there was mention of the war causing the veil to weaken), Flemeth shows up, slaughters everything but the protaganist in an instant, goes on a crazy yet inspiring rant, and finally becomes our court jester/executioner/steward/torturer/dragon guard.
P.S. the last part was a joke, I do think it will be some kind of combination of the rest though.

[Doctoglethorpe]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

The Warden did kick her ass and temporarily killed her...Then again that is the Warden were talking about.

I'm about 99.99999% sure she let the Warden win.  She needed them to complete their mission and knew her defeat wouldn't really kill her. 

Remember in DA2 she says she has an appointment to keep. 

[Zerker]

She is the mother of dragons, true heir to the iron throne, last of the Targariens.

[Zeta42]

Flemeth is a branch of Ravel Puzzlewell.

[Fuggyt]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

The Warden did kick her ass and temporarily killed her...Then again that is the Warden were talking about.

I'm about 99.99999% sure she let the Warden win.  She needed them to complete their mission and knew her defeat wouldn't really kill her. 

Remember in DA2 she says she has an appointment to keep. 

Exactly.  I've always thought that fight was fixed.  Remember Flemeth says the Blight is a mortal threat to her too.  She's not necessarily invulnerable and a Blighted world is not one she'd care to live in, so she desperately needs the Wardens to stop the Blight.   She knows Loghain is not up the the task and his treachery at Ostagar is a gift to the Darkspawn.  As for the fight itself, she offers to give the Grimoire to the Warden just for the asking.  She only fights if the Warden forces the issue, and I believe she only fights enough to make it look good so that neither the Warden nor Morrigan will suspect her hidden agenda. 

[spoe71]

I think, given that she has been described as "ancient," she has likely had her hand in a great many events, not the least of which could involve having a direct role in the Chantry's religion. Could Flemeth actually be Andraste? We already know that death is only a minor inconvenience for her, and she does have a lot in common with the Andraste legend--resurrection, husband betrayal, magic, and so forth. Is she one of the ancient dragons worshiped by the Imperium? She's so enigmatic that just about anything is possible, including the postulations you all have made so far.

At any rate, I hope they plan to give us more in DA3; few literary characters are more interesting than she. It would be a shame not to see her legend fully revealed either in a game or in a novel. I'd rather have the first option, but I won't turn down the second.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

The Warden did kick her ass and temporarily killed her...Then again that is the Warden were talking about.

I'm about 99.99999% sure she let the Warden win.  She needed them to complete their mission and knew her defeat wouldn't really kill her. 

Remember in DA2 she says she has an appointment to keep. 

I guess that's a possibility,only time will tell what really happened.

[whykikyouwhy]

spoe71 wrote...

I think, given that she has been described as "ancient," she has likely had her hand in a great many events, not the least of which could involve having a direct role in the Chantry's religion. Could Flemeth actually be Andraste? We already know that death is only a minor inconvenience for her, and she does have a lot in common with the Andraste legend--resurrection, husband betrayal, magic, and so forth. Is she one of the ancient dragons worshiped by the Imperium? She's so enigmatic that just about anything is possible, including the postulations you all have made so far.

As much as I liked toying with the idea that Flemeth is Andraste (or Andraste was an avatar of Flemeth), I think it would be absolutely delicious if Andraste turned out to be one of her "daughters." Perhaps cast out into the world as an infant, left to find her own way, though not without the guidance of an old crone/powerful shapeshifter. 

[RedWulfi]

Im guessing Bioware will ruin her because we expect that she will play a huge role.
lol joke aside she obviously has something planned. I believe she is neither good or evil.

[Urzon]

She represents the elven partheon in the Thedasian Super Best Friends!

Flemeth: The Elven Partheon. (Mage)

Leliana: The Chantry. (Rogue)

Sten: The Qun. (Warrior)

Sandal: The Stone. (???)

They even have a complete party setup, plus whatever Sandal is.

Modifié par Urzon, 02 décembre 2012 - 04:37 .

[AstraDrakkar]

I just had an interesting thought. What if Morrigan shows up in DA3 (even more compelling if she ends up being a party member) and you find out that she has been possessed by Flemeth by the time the DA3 protagonist meets her. You know how Bioware likes changing characters from game to game. ( ie Anders) I'm not sure its even feasable but it would be an interesting twist.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 02 décembre 2012 - 06:13 .

[noxpanda]

I think shes def some form of dragon, but i am biased, i like dragons!

I would like to know more about her, but in a vague way if that makes sense. I dont want to know her every devious thought but a better idea as to either what she is/what shes after would be nice.

I really really hope she doesnt get turned into 'Big Bad Evil Boss No.562', shes the most interesting char in the series by a long shot and she has a fantastic voice actor, having to kill her would make me a very sad bunny. I love the crazy old hag.

[ledod]

Maddok900 wrote...

She is the mother of dragons, true heir to the iron throne, last of the Targariens.

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[Doctoglethorpe]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

I just had an interesting thought. What if Morrigan shows up in DA3 (even more compelling if she ends up being a party member) and you find out that she has been possessed by Flemeth by the time the DA3 protagonist meets her. You know how Bioware likes changing characters from game to game. ( ie Anders) I'm not sure its even feasable but it would be an interesting twist.

See, along with my belief she threw the fight with the Warden, I also think she doesn't really intend on possesing Morrigan.  I think she just wants Morrigan to think that. She's phycologically guiding Morrigan along a path that Morrigan doesn't even realize.  We already know Flemeth has at least one more daughter that served a purpose other than possesion, Yavana. 

Flemeth is quite a tricky one. (which is why Fen'Harel is a popular theory that I myself believed for a long time and still won't rule out completely)  She seems to do a lot of things with purpose that is never clear, every time we think we understand why she's doing something, with a bit more information in retrospect we realize we were flat out wrong.  So pretty much everything she does must be looked at outside the box.  Your first assumptions about her can pretty much just be tossed in the bin the moment you make them.   

Since believing its true that she wants to posses morrigan is the first and easiest conclusion to come to, that all but guarantees its wrong. 

[ShadyKat]

Flemeth is by far my favorite character in the series. I just hope we get more then a few minutes of her in DA3. She simple wasn't in DA2 enough for my liking.

[Bfler]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

I just had an interesting thought. What if Morrigan shows up in DA3 (even more compelling if she ends up being a party member) and you find out that she has been possessed by Flemeth by the time the DA3 protagonist meets her. You know how Bioware likes changing characters from game to game. ( ie Anders) I'm not sure its even feasable but it would be an interesting twist.

Then it is basically a copy of the Morrigan from the Irish Túatha Dé Danann. Morrigan as combination of a young beautiful woman, an ugly old woman (Flemeth) and a shapeshifter.

Modifié par Bfler, 03 décembre 2012 - 07:18 .

[Gyrefalcon]

Azrielon wrote...

I think Flemeth is Flemeth. Although if I had to make a theory about her, I would guess Fen'harel. She has a connection with the dalish and she is a shapeshifter (wich part of the dread wolf's story involved him masqurading as a member of each side of the old gods, wich can be interpretted as shapeshifting). She also has a strong trickster vibe to me.

As for how she is involved in the conflict? Well if we follow the scant pattern (it is difficult to call two games a pattern for me) but I would guess the Protaganist bites off more than it can chew with a demonic gateway (I believe there was mention of the war causing the veil to weaken), Flemeth shows up, slaughters everything but the protaganist in an instant, goes on a crazy yet inspiring rant, and finally becomes our court jester/executioner/steward/torturer/dragon guard.
P.S. the last part was a joke, I do think it will be some kind of combination of the rest though.

She does declare herself to be "a fly in the ointment".  So comparing her to a Trickster God/Goddess is entirely appropriate.  But I don't think she is the Dread Wolf.  I do not believe the elves would work to revive her if she were.  She could be the child of Fen'harel though.  Or she could be one the Dread Wolf missed.  I thought there was a codex about her having been married and betrayed though.  Does anyone else recall it?  And I believe Morrigan also confirmed that Flemeth was human once, but clearly she is not any longer.

Anders could not figure out how to categorize her either.  Perhaps in the Kocari Wilds she was able to make a pact with a demon or spirit and survive long enough to create a peaceful union? 

As a side note:  I don't believe she is the scary woman in Sandal's dreams.  I think that is the Empress of Orlais, or else a powerful mage who is looking to use his unique gifts and has been able to scry and discover his whereabouts. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

I thought there was a codex about her having been married and betrayed though.  Does anyone else recall it?  And I believe Morrigan also confirmed that Flemeth was human once, but clearly she is not any longer.

Yeah its entirely probable that there was a woman named Flemeth at some point.  The exact details are lost to the faults of word-of-mouth legend telling.  But what likely happened is that this Flemeth did make a deal with a powerful spirit.  Not just some cookie cutter demon, but a VERY powerful spirit.  Godly powerful. 

Thats why my current best guess is Urzara, or if not she then another powerful dragon spirit.  (Whether they are actually dragons or spirits that chose to inhabit the body's of dragons is hard to tell but I'd say probably the latter.) 

I used to think she was Fen'Harel but now I got a whole other huge theory about him.  (The false Maker)

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 03 décembre 2012 - 08:22 .

[DragonAgeLegend]

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

I'm thinking she might be one of the two remaining forbidden ones (Imshael or The Formless One, the other two being Xebenkeck from DA2 and Gaxkang from DAO.) If you read the codex entry on them, they're even responsible for the existence of blood magic, so it'd have direct relevance to the mage rebellion. My guess is she'd be Imshael, since there's a pretty obvious candidate for The Formless One already.

Maybe I'm just an idiot but who's the candidate for The Formless One? The maker? Cole? 

Yeah, I was thinking Cole. Wasn't sure if I should post it since it might be sort of a spoiler to anyone that hasn't finished Asunder.

*Leaving this thread now... 

[KiwiQuiche]

Hmph, I just hope that we get to kill her-permanently-in DA3 since she refused to stay dead in O and 2

[Patchwork]

For now I'm sticking with the idea she's a descendant of the mage/saviour Andraste and becoming an abomination changed her into the Witch of the Wilds. She more like the Lady of the Forest, the embodiment/spirit of something- old magic perhaps.