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[StElmo]

There's an article going around about DA3 having a majority of the writers as being women.

Men and Women should be considered equal (bar a few genetic and chemical differences). But the fact is our society, unfortunately, brings Men and Women up differently. So there is a socially engineered difference that we currently have in society today, but that is slowly diminishing.

However, it has not diminished completely. So that is why I am pleased to see that DA3 has a majority of female writers. Not because I think they are going to be any better or worse, but because I hope it will add variety of perspective to the subtext in the game.

If the writing team are all studied up (I hope to god everyone has read Robert McKee), this is going to be great.

Its news like this that narrows the gap between the games release and how far down the road I am purchasing it.

(I don't do day one purchases)

Modifié par StElmo, 02 décembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[N147]

Having more women writing for the game then men won't change anything, nor does it mean anything.

[syllogi]

Link to article, please?

[StElmo]

Revenant24 wrote...

Having more women writing for the game then men won't change anything, nor does it mean anything.

You don't think a persons upbringing, personality, experience, social status etc. affects their writing???

Of course it does.

My point is, the more backgrounds that push the team from the status quo means potentially more interesting writing!

[StElmo]

syllogi wrote...

Link to article, please?

kotaku.com/5964700/you-can-thank-women-for-dragon-age-3s-lack-of-creepy-sex-plot

Its Kotaku, so I refuse to put it in the OP as their writing is not good.

[HiroVoid]

That's what my small group communication class taught me.

*Sees Kotaku article*

....ooookay.  Where's their source?  I mean.....it's Kotaku.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 02 décembre 2012 - 03:32 .

[syllogi]

StElmo wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Link to article, please?

kotaku.com/5964700/you-can-thank-women-for-dragon-age-3s-lack-of-creepy-sex-plot

Its Kotaku, so I refuse to put it in the OP as their writing is not good.

Hoo boy.  I thought it was a new article, I wasn't trying to bring back the thread that just got locked.

All I'll say is, some of my favorite writers are men, but I also enjoy female perspectives in fiction.

[HiroVoid]

syllogi wrote...

StElmo wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Link to article, please?

kotaku.com/5964700/you-can-thank-women-for-dragon-age-3s-lack-of-creepy-sex-plot

Its Kotaku, so I refuse to put it in the OP as their writing is not good.

Hoo boy.  I thought it was a new article, I wasn't trying to bring back the thread that just got locked.

All I'll say is, some of my favorite writers are men, but I also enjoy female perspectives in fiction.

I pretty much knew what he was talking about, but was hoping this won't get caught in the same crossfire.....reallly doubt it though.

[Vandicus]

Quick OP, change the topic to DA3 MP!

[Costin_Razvan]

StElmo wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

Having more women writing for the game then men won't change anything, nor does it mean anything.

You don't think a persons upbringing, personality, experience, social status etc. affects their writing???

Of course it does.

My point is, the more backgrounds that push the team from the status quo means potentially more interesting writing!

Sure everything you listed does...except their gender!

[StElmo]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

Having more women writing for the game then men won't change anything, nor does it mean anything.

You don't think a persons upbringing, personality, experience, social status etc. affects their writing???

Of course it does.

My point is, the more backgrounds that push the team from the status quo means potentially more interesting writing!

Sure everything you listed does...except their gender!

My point is, gender in our current society informs those things (due to upbringing etc), therefore, it is a good sign that there is more women than the status quo as it infers there is likely to be a larger variety of personalities and different ones at that then what we are used to.

[hexaligned]

StElmo wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

Having more women writing for the game then men won't change anything, nor does it mean anything.

You don't think a persons upbringing, personality, experience, social status etc. affects their writing???

Of course it does.

My point is, the more backgrounds that push the team from the status quo means potentially more interesting writing!

It can influence the depth of understanding of a thing, It doesn't effect their talent for communicating it though, no.  The women aren't coloring everything they write through an estrogen tinted lens of Western idealism, or at least I hope that isn't going to be the case. 
I think they have a strong foundation team wise, if I could add anyone to the mix (given the setting) it would be someone that has actual combat expierience, preferably someone who has commanded, but just someone who has experienced it works too.  The gender of that person doesn't matter...to me.

[Vandicus]

StElmo wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

Having more women writing for the game then men won't change anything, nor does it mean anything.

You don't think a persons upbringing, personality, experience, social status etc. affects their writing???

Of course it does.

My point is, the more backgrounds that push the team from the status quo means potentially more interesting writing!

Sure everything you listed does...except their gender!

My point is, gender in our current society informs those things (due to upbringing etc), therefore, it is a good sign that there is more women than the status quo as it infers there is likely to be a larger variety of personalities and different ones at that then what we are used to.

The words you are looking for are impacts and implies. I don't often correct people like this, its just that the post is hard to understand.

[Dhiro]

HiroVoid wrote...

That's what my small group communication class taught me.

*Sees Kotaku article*

....ooookay.  Where's their source?  I mean.....it's Kotaku.

Our Wisdom flows so sweet. Taste and See.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Don't see why it matters. Whether being male or female helps someone be a better writer what matters is if they are good, not the why. For example, I don't want Stephenie Meyer writing anything.
Only exception is a female may be able to write more realistic female characters.

[StElmo]

relhart wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

Having more women writing for the game then men won't change anything, nor does it mean anything.

You don't think a persons upbringing, personality, experience, social status etc. affects their writing???

Of course it does.

My point is, the more backgrounds that push the team from the status quo means potentially more interesting writing!

It can influence the depth of understanding of a thing, It doesn't effect their talent for communicating it though, no.  The women aren't coloring everything they write through an estrogen tinted lens of Western idealism, or at least I hope that isn't going to be the case. 
I think they have a strong foundation team wise, if I could add anyone to the mix (given the setting) it would be someone that has actual combat expierience, preferably someone who has commanded, but just someone who has experienced it works too.  The gender of that person doesn't matter...to me.

I never said the quaklity would be better, but simply the diversity is welcome.

[Augustei]

I was tempted to start a fire here but I think I will just sit back and watch.. Btw OP I thought i should let you know you amuse me.

*Grabs Popcorn*

[snackrat]

I resent that the article pretty much says that they saw the issue because they were women. All that can really be said is that those who noticed the issue HAPPENED TO BE women. If one woman makes an observation, and others agree, that doesn't automatically mean "boyee, good thang ya had wimins on thar son", it means the one who made the observation was a woman.

There may be co-relation in there (societal roles, upbringing, social pressures, etc) making 'being a woman' a contribution to the reasoning, but she didn't make the observation simply because of XX chromosomes. The article is still separating them into 'woman developers' rather than 'developers who happen to be women'.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Hmm, perhaps I shouldnt have said that.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 02 décembre 2012 - 06:43 .

[Taint Master]

relhart wrote...

It can influence the depth of understanding of a thing, It doesn't effect their talent for communicating it though, no.  The women aren't coloring everything they write through an estrogen tinted lens of Western idealism, or at least I hope that isn't going to be the case. 

Yeah, the OP actually has fairly sexist undertones. 

Modifié par Taint Master, 02 décembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Fishy]

To be fair .. I don't know what to think of the topic name. If it's awesome having more woman, can I say it's awesome when there's more men than woman ? Would I sound like a misogynist ? Because I love my manly stuff ?

Plus I am curious what stop a man from finding something having some creepy rape undertone.. That really take a woman to figure that out ? That Misandry !

Modifié par Suprez30, 02 décembre 2012 - 06:07 .

[Dabrikishaw]

Not surprised a Kotaku article would cause this mess.

[d4eaming]

It can be sexist to elevate women up into something "more" than men (the whole putting them on a pedestal thing and acting as if they are more pure or innocent or whatnot).

I believe the point they are trying to make is that a female perspective can, in fact, effect the writing and make certain things more obvious.

Women are conditioned to look for potential assault in every little thing. Maybe personA doesn't, and maybe personB agrees with A, but those are outliers. Most women are conditioned in such a way that they will subconsciously assess the potential danger of any given situation. I know I sure do, and I had no idea that I did so until I was an adult, and still feeling suspicious of men I know, that I consciously knew would not hurt me, but I still assessed the potential danger of entering an isolated and enclosed space with them, to the point that I would immediately change my route and pretend that I was headed somewhere else in order to avoid it.

Just because a few people do not do this does not mean that women as a whole don't. In female spaces where things are discussed and deconstructed, I have found it FAR more prevalent that women will see these potential dangers, or interpret what someone else thinks of as "loving" as something creepy and gross ("Nice Guy Syndrome" for example). Someone who does not need to search for or assess those dangers and situations will simply not see them because it is outside their natural scope of experience.

How this is so flipping hard to understand absolutely boggles me.