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[Vendetta543]

Leaving aside how ineffectual he might or might not be, Hawke seems to be remarkably strong for a supposed bog standard human being. All the others have explanations for their strengths: Anders is an abomination/spirit healer, Merrill has Blood and keeper magic, Fenris has the Lyrium tatoos, Bethany's a mage, Carver's a Templar/Gray Warden, Tallis is a member of the secret police, Sebastian was trained since a young age, Isabella's a known and experienced raider with her own fighting style (which even she remarks is more on skill than brute force), and Varric has a unique auto crossbow and having to be wary from a young age of someone slitting his throat.

By contrast,  Warrior/Rogue!Hawke (Mage counts to a lesser degree) is simply a grunt from The Fereldan army. This applies to Aveline as well since she was also just a plain soldier before escaping. And yet somehow these two have no problems slicing it up with the best of them and Hawke even overpowers a Qunari at one point and can Duel the Arishok. Is this just gameplay benefit?

[caradoc2000]

Hawke has a Bioware Plot Device™.

[Sugao]

Hawke could also be fighting with more finesse and less brute force, ala Isabela. Also, most of Hawke's exploits come after a year living in Lowtown, and s/he grew up a Lothering peasant whose family was constantly wary of Templars (and anyone who might sell them out to Templars) due to having two or three mages in the family; I don't imagine Hawke's childhood was a great deal easier than Varric's, and after that stint in Lowtown, s/he probably has some pretty sharp street smarts and knowledge of how to deal with a fight (not to mention military training; even a standard foot soldier would be pretty strong by civilian standards).

As to the Qunari, I get the feeling that the Arishok was pretty weary by that point. He's still powerful, yes, but he may be past his prime, and Hawke is early thirties at most by that point in the story - just enough that the fight could be tipped in Hawke's favor by the end (especially since most players' strategy for the duel involves a lot of "strike fast and run away faster", which is the general tactic for wearing down a powerful but ultimately weary opponent; you've just got to get the old man winded and rely on your greater stammina as opposed to brute force).


Or you can blame the Bioware Plot Device ™. That works too.

[Vendetta543]

Then there's his actions in the DLC. Both Mark of the Assassin and Legacy show Hawke doing solo finishers against the bosses and, for a Mage!Hawke, he overpowers Corypheus in a magic duel! The heck? Then there's the fact that he pretty much destroys wyvern's as if he was a wyvern hunter for a long time already.

I'm not complaining about being badass in a video game, I'm just saying its kinda jarring as to how Hawke can end up being so strong when there's no indication he's a super mutant.

[JohnZ117]

Aside from whatever training Hawke may have received, (s)he also lived in a rural quasi-medieval setting, and probably had to help with farming, construction, hunting, chopping firewood, and other physically demanding chores. It makes sense that Hawke would be stronger/tougher than most in Kirkwall.

Modifié par JohnZ117, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:16 .

[JohnZ117]

Sorry for the double post.

Modifié par JohnZ117, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:15 .

[Vendetta543]

I understand Hawke being tougher, but I'm referring to the stunts he pulls in the DLC. Seriously, its like he's channeling the matrix when he owns Corypheus. And how does being tougher than the average man allow him to beat a Corrupted Magister? It's like a slightly more fit soldier taking on a tank that fires flames, ice, and lightning and yet somehow winning. ......That totally wasn't a black ops reference.

This applies to the Warden as well, but I always excuse it with "He's a guy with tainted blood". In all seriousness though, the fact that the Warden can do the same choices, if not worse ones, than Alistair did in Darkside Chronicles, and STILL come out on top is rather jarring. He/She was probably just lucky the Vanguard didn't show up.

[Face of Evil]

During Legacy, Hawke is wielding The Key, which is used to imprison Corypheus. Its magic held him for centuries, so it stands to reason it weakens him somehow. Plus, Corypheus just woke up and is still a bit disoriented.

Hawke gains the same benefit as Luke Skywalker: he's the progeny of a particularly powerful Force-wielder mage, and he received at least part of his training from his father. (Malcolm was apparently as good with weapons as he was with magic.)

Also, when Malcolm passed away, Hawke became the protector of the family, and so he trained to take on the mantle.

Vendetta543 wrote...

This applies to the Warden as well, but I always excuse it with "He's a guy with tainted blood". In all seriousness though, the fact that the Warden can do the same choices, if not worse ones, than Alistair did in Darkside Chronicles, and STILL come out on top is rather jarring. He/She was probably just lucky the Vanguard didn't show up.

It's possible that the Warden had slain the Vanguard, by virtue of a choice that he made and Alistair didn't. The Vanguard could have easily been that darkspawn general in the city square. He seemed capable of taking on a pretty large force even without a squad of ogres backing him up.

But y'know, it's not uncommon in most fantasy fiction for the hero to be some nobody who comes from a mundane background. There was no particular reason for Conan the Barbarian to be as strong or as skilled as he is; he just had an abundance of natural talent.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 03 décembre 2012 - 05:08 .

[JohnZ117]

Vendetta543 wrote...

I understand Hawke being tougher, but I'm referring to the stunts he pulls in the DLC. Seriously, its like he's channeling the matrix when he owns Corypheus. And how does being tougher than the average man allow him to beat a Corrupted Magister? It's like a slightly more fit soldier taking on a tank that fires flames, ice, and lightning and yet somehow winning. ......That totally wasn't a black ops reference.

You seem to forget that Hawke is accompanied by three other above average individuals in that and most other battles in the game.

[Vendetta543]

It's also possible that Hawke can fight the bosses on his own, gameplay wise at least. Story wise he's always the one who does the finishers and finishers on the Wyvern, Arishok, High Dragon, Duke Prosper, and Corypheus.

[Vendetta543]

It's also possible that Hawke can fight the bosses on his own, gameplay wise at least. Story wise he's always the one who does the finishers and finishers on the Wyvern, Arishok, High Dragon, Duke Prosper, and Corypheus.

[Vendetta543]

It's also possible that Hawke can fight the bosses on his own, gameplay wise at least. Story wise he's always the one who does the finishers and finishers on the Wyvern, Arishok, High Dragon, Duke Prosper, and Corypheus.

[Vincent Laww]

The Hawke Lineage seems to be composed of innately talented people. Bethany, Carver and Hawke are all proficient in their rightful fields. One can deduce that fighting is bred into their genes. As for the Hero of Ferelden he started off fairly uneducated in the field of killing, but Duncan saw potential. After his/her journey the Greywarden has become an exemplary skillful fighter. Basically the journey these characters undertake forge them into living legends. I'm guessing fate/skill plays it part when it comes to it. Plus it wouldn't really be good for the series if Hawke was a weakling.

Modifié par Vincent Laww, 04 décembre 2012 - 03:06 .

[Abraham_uk]

Vincent Laww wrote...

The Hawke Lineage seems to be composed of innately talented people. Bethany, Carver and Hawke are all proficient in their rightful fields. One can deduce that fighting is bred into their genes. As for the Hero of Ferelden he started off fairly uneducated in the field of killing, but Duncan saw potential. After his/her journey the Greywarden has become an exemplary skillful fighter. Basically the journey these characters undertake forge them into living legends. I'm guessing fate/skill plays it part when it comes to it. Plus it wouldn't really be good for the series if Hawke was a weakling.

I agree with the above.

However the main reason why Hawke is so strong is...

He is a video game character in a fighting game.
Who want's to be a weakling or standard grunt in a game where enemies easily overpower you?
That would only be fun for hardcore gamers who best Gost and Goblins, Megaman and the old sidescrolling Metroid games back in the day.

[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

Spinach.

And he eats lightning and craps thunder.

He's channeling Popeye and Rocky at the same time. With a bit of the Governator thrown in alongside some Chuck Norris, some Jackie Chan, some David Xanatos, and some Giovanni from Pokemon.

He's not as manly as those guys -- because he only takes a little of each -- but he's manly all the same.

Giovanni, however, is a buffet of manliness.

[Clover Rider]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Filament wrote...

Spinach.

And he eats lightning and craps thunder.

He's channeling Popeye and Rocky at the same time. With a bit of the Governator thrown in alongside some Chuck Norris, some Jackie Chan, some David Xanatos, and some Giovanni from Pokemon.

He's not as manly as those guys -- because he only takes a little of each -- but he's manly all the same.

Giovanni, however, is a buffet of manliness.

www.youtube.com/watch 

[TEWR]

He's so manly he can pull that off and simultaneously strengthen his manliness.