Celene II wrote...
No everyone thought DA2 was that great.
It sold worse then Origins
It reviewed worse then Origins
It was only fresh and creative to a select number of people and to the rest it was a streamlined action game with most of the RPG elements removed.
Please be scared not of new ideas but of taking a classic RPG and trying to appeal to the bam boom twitch crowd and doing poorly in both critical review and sales.
Celene II wrote...
No everyone thought DA2 was that great.
It sold worse then Origins
It reviewed worse then Origins
It was only fresh and creative to a select number of people and to the rest it was a streamlined action game with most of the RPG elements removed.
Please be scared not of new ideas but of taking a classic RPG and trying to appeal to the bam boom twitch crowd and doing poorly in both critical review and sales.
The OP didn't exactly use the best terminology, but surely St Elmo isn't "scared," per se. Rather, concerned that BioWare will do away with the good things in DA2, just because it did poorly, when it would be expected that the sales would be the same or maybe better than for the original game.Blackout62 wrote...
Celene II wrote...
No everyone thought DA2 was that great.
It sold worse then Origins
It reviewed worse then Origins
It was only fresh and creative to a select number of people and to the rest it was a streamlined action game with most of the RPG elements removed.
Please be scared not of new ideas but of taking a classic RPG and trying to appeal to the bam boom twitch crowd and doing poorly in both critical review and sales.
Why be scared of any of it? It's not threatening you, its just entertainment.
Amidst the pseudo-ramblings, is a very correct asertion, albeit an obvious one. DA2 did do worse in both critical reviews and sales. And it was mostly due to them trying to expand their new franchise's appeal, sacrificing some of what people loved in Origins (sorry, altered, some of what people loved). I think most people saw it as sacrificial, rather than as alternative (which is where I got the words "do away with" from).Celene II wrote...
No everyone thought DA2 was that great.
It sold worse then Origins
It reviewed worse then Origins
It was only fresh and creative to a select number of people and to the rest it was a streamlined action game with most of the RPG elements removed.
Please be scared not of new ideas but of taking a classic RPG and trying to appeal to the bam boom twitch crowd and doing poorly in both critical review and sales.
Modifié par Orian Tabris, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:24 .
Bfler wrote...
Personally, I hope (but I don't think) that they will come to their senses and go back to the formula of Origins. The rushed part of DA2 isn't to only reason, why most people don't like it. Better stick to the classics, than to try to experiment and fail. All their recent games are, if you consider the general satisfaction of the people, a lead balloon (most of the sales are pre-orders due to the predecessors), while the older games like Origins, ME1 or BG2 are the ones, which made them famous.
Actually, it was more BG than BG2. People loved how BioWare applied D&D rules to a video game. BG2 rode on the success of BG, when they said that they intended to work on the system, and improve upon it. Not that I'm much of a historian on BW. I think 2 did better in the sales, but like I said, it would never have been as good if it weren't for BG's success.Bfler wrote...
Personally, I hope (but I don't think) that they will come to their senses and go back to the formula of Origins. The rushed part of DA2 isn't to only reason, why most people don't like it. Better stick to the classics, than to try to experiment and fail. All their recent games are, if you consider the general satisfaction of the people, a lead balloon (most of the sales are pre-orders due to the predecessors), while the older games like Origins, ME1 or BG2 are the ones, which made them famous.
Modifié par LTD, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:41 .
If they do that, then they are surely going to make many of the mistakes in DA2. Not to mention the mistakes in Origins.LTD wrote...
More convincingly Bioware manages to pretend DA2 never existed the better.
Modifié par Orian Tabris, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:47 .
Modifié par LTD, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:51 .
My aunts wouldn't do that.LTD wrote...
Ahh I don't want them to forget DA2, only to pretend they never went there. Treat it like you would a flarting aunt in Xmas dinner table.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
It will be impossible to have a thorough and honest discussion over the relative merits of Dragon Age 2 - and what significance they have going forward - if people keep lumping in cut corners like repeated environments with deliberate changes like the dialogue wheel.
Show some actual proof of the underlined part please, and no, a handful butthurt crpg fans raging on the forums does not constitute proof of a majority opinion.Bfler wrote...
Personally, I hope (but I don't think) that they will come to their senses and go back to the formula of Origins. The rushed part of DA2 isn't to only reason, why most people don't like it. Better stick to the classics, than to try to experiment and fail. All their recent games are, if you consider the general satisfaction of the people, a lead balloon (most of the sales are pre-orders due to the predecessors), while the older games like Origins, ME1 or BG2 are the ones, which made them famous.
We've had more than enough constructive criticism and tiresome neat clever bulletin postings listing DA2's many flaws. It was done to death during the initial disappointment in weeks following the release. It is questionable if them devs ever needed and wanted our constuctive criticism anyhow. There is a perfectly good change that in this day an age a dev can easily have a severe OD of criticism, both bad and (perhaps specially) good. It isn't always a good idea to listen to players too much.Upsettingshorts wrote...
Upsettingshorts wrote...
It will be impossible to have a thorough and honest discussion over the relative merits of Dragon Age 2 -.
LTD wrote...
Having said that, I recon we still fit through that very narrow window in time during which people can have some influence when it comes to direction and foundations of DA3. With this in mind, I believe best thing we as community can do to DA3 is maximizing the amount of expressions of sincere, unconditional hatred towards DA2. Keep it simple,keep it deconstructive, keep it pure!
Upsettingshorts wrote...
It will be impossible to have a thorough and honest discussion over the relative merits of Dragon Age 2 -.
LTD wrote...
We've had more than enough constructive criticism and tiresome neat clever bulletin postings listing DA2's many flaws.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
relative merits of Dragon Age 2
LTD wrote...
listing DA2's many flaws.
Celene II wrote...
No everyone thought DA2 was that great.
It sold worse then Origins
It reviewed worse then Origins
Modifié par StElmo, 03 décembre 2012 - 08:05 .
l7986 wrote...
as long as they keep the awesome button...
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 décembre 2012 - 08:11 .
Actually I heard they were going to combine it with ME3's omni button to create an all new button, the All-In-One-Wonder-Button. It shall be the greatest thing evah!Upsettingshorts wrote...
l7986 wrote...
as long as they keep the awesome button...
It's at DICE now. Cough.
Honestly, I've seen Mark Darrah post only a handful of times and that was right after the announcement. The type of large-scale overhaul you're asking for would likely only come from him.LTD wrote...
Having said that, I recon we still fit through that very narrow window in time during which people can have some influence when it comes to direction and foundations of DA3. With this in mind, I believe best thing we as community can do to DA3 is maximizing the amount of expressions of sincere, unconditional hatred towards DA2. Keep it simple,keep it deconstructive, keep it pure!
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