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#51
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Twinzam.V wrote...

Maybe it makes some sense with EC, Omega and Leviathan combined.
As oposed to a game with neither.


nope .. still does not make any more sense.

omega does not change the ending, the the ec just polished it (there were no changes) and leviathan added 2 lines of dialogue.

the endings are basicly the same. they just look better with the ec.

levi made the ai a bit easier to believe - but the forshadowing was shallow. the ending can feel better witrh levi ... but the outcomes are still the same.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:36 .


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Leviathan laid the groundwork for there being an AI in control of the reapers. So when it got revealed, it wasn't so much of a right out of left field occurance.

So yes, they did help the endings, but people don't see it becasue they can't just forget how they felt about it and look at things from a fresh perspective.

I'm not saying do that all the time, in fact I don't think anyone could do that all the time, but I'm saying for understanding another persons viewpoint, it helps to be able to think in terms of a person not seeing the original ending.

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Pantanplan wrote...

How old is your brother? I think older people would react more positively to the ending than younger people would.


If your saying an older person is more likely to enjoy it because of maturity/understanding I completely disagree. However if your saying that a younger person who watches it will tend to act more brashly and side with the hate just for the sake of hating then I agree.

I guess you can argue that someone older, in particular people who have been around long enough to be familar with 80's science fiction, would most likely have a better fundemental knowledge of the style and concepts been explored in ME then someone much younger who has had much less exposure to this style. I still dont think that means someone is more willing to like or dislike certain concepts or the way they are executed.

Modifié par Isichar, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:43 .


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Kind of hard to claim that Leviathan "laid the groundwork" for anything when it wasn't even conceived until after ME3 was released.

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The exception that proves the rule.

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clennon8 wrote...

Kind of hard to claim that Leviathan "laid the groundwork" for anything when it wasn't even conceived until after ME3 was released.


levi might help a little bit - but such informations should be in the core game.

even if you have played levi, it is an extreme plot twist, that the catalyst (who is believed to be the citadel) is in fact said ai. the ai could have been used to create the first reaper - harbinger or harbinger, just like shepard is used to create the new catalyst.

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Did he think about it for longer than 20 seconds?

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My little cousin was around when I was finishing up a play through on the Extended Cut. He thought it was cool. I chose Destroy for that particular run, but he actually preferred the idea of Control because it sounded cooler. Plus, he was glad to see Garrus survived.

The general rule seems to be that if you lower your expectations and try not to take things so seriously, the endings will do you fine.

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When I talked with him about it he still said he was disappointed by the lack of Harbinger's role and TIM's indoctrination.
But still...
I forgot the best part in my orignal post.
Well...
He liked Kai Leng.

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Kataphrut94 wrote...

The general rule seems to be that if you lower your expectations and try not to take things so seriously


And here's where the fault lies (part of it, anyway).

For a triple-A title to the msot relevant science fiction series of the past decade, you shouldn't have to dial back your expectations.  

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Lots of angst in here.

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Kataphrut94 wrote...

My little cousin was around when I was finishing up a play through on the Extended Cut. He thought it was cool. I chose Destroy for that particular run, but he actually preferred the idea of Control because it sounded cooler. Plus, he was glad to see Garrus survived.

The general rule seems to be that if you lower your expectations and try not to take things so seriously, the endings will do you fine.


did he played the other games as well or was he just watching you finish one particular playthrough.

imho, the endings have a different impact on people who are just watching the game like a movie and the person who is really playing it.

making the decisions the avatar executes, ties you to it. the avatar becomes more than just a figure in the game - it becomes a part of you.

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I know a few people who liked the endings. Not as many as people who hated them. The ones I know who liked it, see the plot holes and don't care.

Modifié par KingZayd, 02 décembre 2012 - 09:54 .


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Dr_Extrem wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

My little cousin was around when I was finishing up a play through on the Extended Cut. He thought it was cool. I chose Destroy for that particular run, but he actually preferred the idea of Control because it sounded cooler. Plus, he was glad to see Garrus survived.

The general rule seems to be that if you lower your expectations and try not to take things so seriously, the endings will do you fine.


did he played the other games as well or was he just watching you finish one particular playthrough.

imho, the endings have a different impact on people who are just watching the game like a movie and the person who is really playing it.

making the decisions the avatar executes, ties you to it. the avatar becomes more than just a figure in the game - it becomes a part of you.


He'd seen bits of it before and I'd talked about it heaps, so he had a general idea of how things went. Just for fun, I once did a runthrough of the Suicide Mission and let him pick the specialists and teammates. He lost Garrus to the seeker swarms which upset him no end, and Tali died holding the line.

I do agree with the assessment on how we connect with our avatar. Perhaps the reason i was never as outraged about the ending as most people because I never felt like Shepard was an extension of myself, just an avatar whom I influence with dialogue and decisions. Considering the beating s/he takes over the course of the games and Mass Effect 3 in partcular, I'm willing to accept Shepard's actions at the finale. In my opinion, Mass Effect 2 was the one that got the balance of interactivity and autonomy right. Mass Effect 1 leaned too far in one direction and Mass Effect 3 leaned too far in the other.

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I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.

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Yaos wrote...

He liked Kai Leng.


What! :blink:
Let's get this strait. He liked Kai Leng. The same cereal killer Kai Leng from Deception?
I can accept someone liking the ending or even Jacob, but Deception Kai Leng...
You better check if your brother isnt feverish.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 02 décembre 2012 - 10:00 .


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Modifié par Bob Garbage, 02 décembre 2012 - 10:03 .


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Leviathan and EC together soften the ending to the point of making it 'average'. Without Leviathan and EC, it clobbers you with nonsense, stuns you with stupidity, and then hits you with a brick to the 'nads with the 'Buy more DLC!" finish.

Leviathan makes it clear the Catalyst is basically just an uncontrolled AI, EC removes the "Buy more DLC" finish, and tells you what happens after you choose instead of pulling a Torch and Burn.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 02 décembre 2012 - 10:04 .


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Yaos wrote...

He liked Kai Leng.


Abandon ship!

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Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.


Truth.

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Kataphrut94 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

My little cousin was around when I was finishing up a play through on the Extended Cut. He thought it was cool. I chose Destroy for that particular run, but he actually preferred the idea of Control because it sounded cooler. Plus, he was glad to see Garrus survived.

The general rule seems to be that if you lower your expectations and try not to take things so seriously, the endings will do you fine.


did he played the other games as well or was he just watching you finish one particular playthrough.

imho, the endings have a different impact on people who are just watching the game like a movie and the person who is really playing it.

making the decisions the avatar executes, ties you to it. the avatar becomes more than just a figure in the game - it becomes a part of you.


He'd seen bits of it before and I'd talked about it heaps, so he had a general idea of how things went. Just for fun, I once did a runthrough of the Suicide Mission and let him pick the specialists and teammates. He lost Garrus to the seeker swarms which upset him no end, and Tali died holding the line.

I do agree with the assessment on how we connect with our avatar. Perhaps the reason i was never as outraged about the ending as most people because I never felt like Shepard was an extension of myself, just an avatar whom I influence with dialogue and decisions. Considering the beating s/he takes over the course of the games and Mass Effect 3 in partcular, I'm willing to accept Shepard's actions at the finale. In my opinion, Mass Effect 2 was the one that got the balance of interactivity and autonomy right. Mass Effect 1 leaned too far in one direction and Mass Effect 3 leaned too far in the other.


and maybe that is why a lot of people are not happy with the endings ... they are not very personal ... we alter the universe - but our avatar becomes disconnected.

and thats why i believe, that adding one happier ending (even if very, very hard to achieve)  would have been the right choice. it would have been better for the game and the community. less s**tstorm.

some people out there (including myself) are hopeless romantics, who want to end the personal story of shepard  and the crew on a higher note. not without repercussions - dont get me wrong. trying to do everything right, should give you some payoff (and i mean more than a lousy breathing scene).


i am glad, that some people out there can like and enjoy the endings - i cant (in its current form).

i am a hopeless romantic ...

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1 thing that's clear is that if EC was in the game from Day 1, there would be no big outrage. Every comment I saw from someone finishing the game for the first time with EC installed is the same. Those people don't see the big deal. And it's not surprising at all.

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Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.


I dunno. I was pretty happy up until March of 2012. I even liked DA2.

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Eterna5 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.


Truth.


2nd line - yes ...

1st one - up to personal taste.

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Twinzam.V wrote...

Yaos wrote...

He liked Kai Leng.


What! :blink:
Let's get this strait. He liked Kai Leng. The same cereal killer Kai Leng from Deception?
I can accept someone liking the ending or even Jacob, but Deception Kai Leng...
You better check if your brother isnt feverish.


Not everyone read Deception.