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[Eterna]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.

Truth.

2nd line - yes ...

1st one - up to personal taste.

I meant the second line, I know liking the endings is subjective. 

[o Ventus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Yaos wrote...

He liked Kai Leng.

What! 
Let's get this strait. He liked Kai Leng. The same cereal killer Kai Leng from Deception?
I can accept someone liking the ending or even Jacob, but Deception Kai Leng...
You better check if your brother isnt feverish.

Not everyone read Deception.

They wouldn't need to read Deception. They could just play ME3. I don't doubt that Deception soured some preconceptions, but ME3 did less than nothing to help Leng's image.

[Dr_Extrem]

IsaacShep wrote...

1 thing that's clear is that if EC was in the game from Day 1, there would be no big outrage. Every comment I saw from someone finishing the game for the first time with EC installed is the same. Those people don't see the big deal. And it's not surprising at all.

my first playthrough was with the ec installed and i had the flu with 40°C fever .. and even in this miserable state, i was able to see, that the story and plot at the ending were not really ... "correspondiong to the rest of the series".

i thought .. why the f**k comes the catalyst up with the synthetic vs. organic "problem"? ... its solved. 
why were the reapers neutered? ...
and did my shep loose its ability to ask questions?


i replayed the ending when i was back in the saddle .. i thought ... "well maybe i got it wrong" .. and it got even worse. so many contradicitons.

[MegaSovereign]

o Ventus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Yaos wrote...

He liked Kai Leng.

What! 
Let's get this strait. He liked Kai Leng. The same cereal killer Kai Leng from Deception?
I can accept someone liking the ending or even Jacob, but Deception Kai Leng...
You better check if your brother isnt feverish.

Not everyone read Deception.

They wouldn't need to read Deception. They could just play ME3. I don't doubt that Deception soured some preconceptions, but ME3 did less than nothing to help Leng's image.

I know that. I didn't really like him either. But my only real complaint with his role in ME3 is that he comes off as really generic and uninteresting in relation to other ME characters. Doesn't mean it's entirely incredulous that someone would like him.

And truth be told, I didn't read Deception either. I sort of just rolled with the cereal memes.

[MegaSovereign]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

1 thing that's clear is that if EC was in the game from Day 1, there would be no big outrage. Every comment I saw from someone finishing the game for the first time with EC installed is the same. Those people don't see the big deal. And it's not surprising at all.

my first playthrough was with the ec installed and i had the flu with 40°C fever .. and even in this miserable state, i was able to see, that the story and plot at the ending were not really ... "correspondiong to the rest of the series".

i thought .. why the f**k comes the catalyst up with the synthetic vs. organic "problem"? ... its solved. 
why were the reapers neutered? ...
and did my shep loose its ability to ask questions?


i replayed the ending when i was back in the saddle .. i thought ... "well maybe i got it wrong" .. and it got even worse. so many contradicitons.

Well if this is your reaction to the EC then you would have suicided if you experienced the pre-EC ending.

[Dr_Extrem]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.

Truth.

2nd line - yes ...

1st one - up to personal taste.

I meant the second line, I know liking the endings is subjective. 

even the people who like the endings are not happy anymore - and not only because "the other side is still there".

bioware splitted the community in halv - thats an act of war if you ask me. they should add a mehem-like ending and the s**tstorm would be reduced to a minimum.
we would not start to like each other but then we could concentrate our combined hate on kai leng and his p**s-poor bossfight.

it would be a start. i am sick of complaining and defending myself for being a hopeless romantic, who just wants a bit more than a breathe scene and a better buildup within the plot..

[shepskisaac]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

and even in this miserable state, i was able to see, that the story and plot at the ending were not really ... "correspondiong to the rest of the series".

Yeah that flu has really clouded your mind because except for Synthesis, the endings cortrespond to multiple topics that were brought up in the series. The plot was practically beating you up with Destroy & Control foreshadowing. Rouge/rebelious AIs were present in the franchise.

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

1 thing that's clear is that if EC was in the game from Day 1, there would be no big outrage. Every comment I saw from someone finishing the game for the first time with EC installed is the same. Those people don't see the big deal. And it's not surprising at all.

my first playthrough was with the ec installed and i had the flu with 40°C fever .. and even in this miserable state, i was able to see, that the story and plot at the ending were not really ... "correspondiong to the rest of the series".

i thought .. why the f**k comes the catalyst up with the synthetic vs. organic "problem"? ... its solved. 
why were the reapers neutered? ...
and did my shep loose its ability to ask questions?


i replayed the ending when i was back in the saddle .. i thought ... "well maybe i got it wrong" .. and it got even worse. so many contradicitons.

Well if this is your reaction to the EC then you would have suicided if you experienced the pre-EC ending.

the endings are very problematic if you payed attention to the whole series ... there are too many problems piling up at the end.


suicide is useless ... and most of the time, it ends up as a mess.

even poison is not an option .. it is not as neat, as some people think it is. oh boy .. i could tell you stores ...

[Eterna]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.

Truth.

2nd line - yes ...

1st one - up to personal taste.

I meant the second line, I know liking the endings is subjective. 

even the people who like the endings are not happy anymore - and not only because "the other side is still there".

bioware splitted the community in halv - thats an act of war if you ask me. they should add a mehem-like ending and the s**tstorm would be reduced to a minimum.
we would not start to like each other but then we could concentrate our combined hate on kai leng and his p**s-poor bossfight.

it would be a start. i am sick of complaining and defending myself for being a hopeless romantic, who just wants a bit more than a breathe scene and a better buildup within the plot..

It doesn't matter what Bioware does, people will never let this go. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Eterna5 wrote...
It doesn't matter what Bioware does, people will never let this go.

Good. Because incompetence like they displayed with the ending (and ME3 in general) should never be forgotten. Let Mass Effect as a franchise serve as a reminder on how not to do things when making a trilogy.

[Peranor]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.

Truth.

2nd line - yes ...

1st one - up to personal taste.

I meant the second line, I know liking the endings is subjective. 

even the people who like the endings are not happy anymore - and not only because "the other side is still there".

bioware splitted the community in halv - thats an act of war if you ask me. they should add a mehem-like ending and the s**tstorm would be reduced to a minimum.
we would not start to like each other but then we could concentrate our combined hate on kai leng and his p**s-poor bossfight.

it would be a start. i am sick of complaining and defending myself for being a hopeless romantic, who just wants a bit more than a breathe scene and a better buildup within the plot..

It doesn't matter what Bioware does, people will never let this go. 

Mission accomplished then I guess. Bioware did want an ending that people would talk about for a long time.

[Eterna]

Lizardviking wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
It doesn't matter what Bioware does, people will never let this go.

Good. Because incompetence like they displayed with the ending (and ME3 in general) should never be forgotten. Let Mass Effect as a franchise serve as a reminder on how not to do things when making a trilogy.

In your opinion. 

[shepskisaac]

Lizardviking wrote...

Good. Because incompetence like they displayed with the ending (and ME3 in general) should never be forgotten.

Jeez they didn't cause a global famine or anything lol. Seriously people, video games (and geek movies, and comics and stuff).

[Dr_Extrem]

IsaacShep wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

and even in this miserable state, i was able to see, that the story and plot at the ending were not really ... "correspondiong to the rest of the series".

Yeah that flu has really clouded your mind because except for Synthesis, the endings cortrespond to multiple topics that were brought up in the series. The plot was practically beating you up with Destroy & Control foreshadowing. Rouge/rebelious AIs were present in the franchise.

well .. exept for the point that we tried to kill tim and his insane ideas on control, during the course of the entire game.  .. i must have missed the conversdatons were we could like or at least support controling the reapers.

we concluded the synthetic vs. organics plot on rannoch ... it was checked.
why warm it up again, if we had a perfectly good reason before? ... well ... preserving people from extinction or simply providing a clean slate for the next civilisation worked out during the other games as well. why change it for the last 10 minutes?


when i got better, the story got even worse.

[Yoshfiction]

Your brother is not alone. =)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IsaacShep wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Good. Because incompetence like they displayed with the ending (and ME3 in general) should never be forgotten.

Jeez they didn't cause a global famine or anything lol. Seriously people, video games (and geek movies, and comics and stuff).

When it comes to the subject of video games and story telling. Then I don't see why ME3 should not be remembered.

[Dr_Extrem]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.

Truth.

2nd line - yes ...

1st one - up to personal taste.

I meant the second line, I know liking the endings is subjective. 

even the people who like the endings are not happy anymore - and not only because "the other side is still there".

bioware splitted the community in halv - thats an act of war if you ask me. they should add a mehem-like ending and the s**tstorm would be reduced to a minimum.
we would not start to like each other but then we could concentrate our combined hate on kai leng and his p**s-poor bossfight.

it would be a start. i am sick of complaining and defending myself for being a hopeless romantic, who just wants a bit more than a breathe scene and a better buildup within the plot..

It doesn't matter what Bioware does, people will never let this go. 

 i could .. .and i bet a lot more are on my side. (if a happier, mehem-like ending is added) and the catalyst would make more sense.

[Dr_Extrem]

Lizardviking wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Good. Because incompetence like they displayed with the ending (and ME3 in general) should never be forgotten.

Jeez they didn't cause a global famine or anything lol. Seriously people, video games (and geek movies, and comics and stuff).

When it comes to the subject of video games and story telling. Then I don't see why ME3 should not be remembered.

in its current state - with london, the catalyst and the absense of a happier ending, it will only be remembered as a weak end to an epic series.

[Eterna]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

 i could .. .and i bet a lot more are on my side. (if a happier, mehem-like ending is added) and the catalyst would make more sense.

But the Catalyst does make sense. And I'm sorry, buy saying the ending is bad because it isn't happy severely damages the validity of your criticism. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 02 décembre 2012 - 10:34 .

[shepskisaac]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well .. exept for the point that we tried to kill tim and his insane ideas on control, during the course of the entire game.  .. i must have missed the conversdatons were we could like or at least support controling the reapers.

"What if TIM is right? What if Reapers can be controlled?" (not 100% quote, but very close). It was in the game and fighting TIm is actually besides the point. Control concept WAS foreshadowed. You can't say "omg where did that come from" regardless if you think Shep was always disagreeing with it (he wasn't, he was unsure about that concept, didn't believe it would work more like)

Dr_Extrem wrote...
we concluded the synthetic vs. organics plot on rannoch ... it was checked.

So? Synthetics vs. organics theme was present throughout the entire franchise. Once again you can't go "omg where did this rouge AI come from, there was never anything like that in the franchise!!!".

This "the ending doesn't fit the franchise" is a catchy slogan repated over and over again by people who hate the ending. Except that the only part that doesn't fit because its theme was not established previously is Synthesis.

[geceka]

Eterna5 wrote...

It doesn't matter what Bioware does, people will never let this go.

You are absolutely right, if anything, the positions are so entrenched by now, it's ridiculous to the point where people even refer to that tiny elevator carrying you into the catalyst's chamber as "space magic", when we have been floating around on much larger platforms all the time in ME2's collector ship and base. It's as if because of the ending, people walk backwards through the story, nitpicking about every inconsequential detail, just to fuel their rage even more. Absolutely pointless for Bioware to cater to those anymore.

Regarding "normal" people (e.g. those not posting on BSN) liking or disliking the ending: Well, I know people in both camps (I personally like the endings a lot, especially post-EC), but what I've never ever seen "in the wild" is someone who hates the endings with such burning passion as some people on here. There's a *huge* difference between "ah, well, I don't really like the ending" and "omg Bioware burn in hell"... The outrage on here is certainly much, much larger than it is among ME3 players as a whole, rest assured of that.

[Dr_Extrem]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

 i could .. .and i bet a lot more are on my side. (if a happier, mehem-like ending is added) and the catalyst would make more sense.

But the Catalyst does make sense. 

the catalyst thinks it makes sense. the catalyst adds more questions to the story - but at the end of a story, it is time go answer the questions of the series - not add new questions.
you can do that, if you want to make a next game - no problem but mass effect 3 was meant to be the last game. 

the last scene is the final point, where the plot can be concluded - and it just explains us, how to kill ourselves. it gives us the chance to end the game - but at the cost of throwing the series into a mealstrom of contradictions and questions.

all those wild specualtions on this board like: "if the catalyst was on the station all along, why did it not do xyz, during me 1-2-3?" are useless and could have been avoided.

[Ticonderoga117]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

 i could .. .and i bet a lot more are on my side. (if a happier, mehem-like ending is added) and the catalyst would make more sense.

But the Catalyst does make sense. And I'm sorry, buy saying the ending is bad because it isn't happy severely damages the validity of your criticism. 

Not when you take ME1 and ME2 into account.