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[Ticonderoga117]

Eterna5 wrote...

Tigerman123 wrote...



From the me1 artbook

Owned. 

And then in ME2, Legion happened.

[LPPrince]

Out of the people I know personally, the vast majority thought the original ending to ME3 was absolute garbage, and the EC endings just shined them up.

I think I know a whole two people that thought the endings were acceptable.

[Clayless]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well .. synthesis gives a lot of problems - everybody will be connected and the pinnacle of evolution is achieved. the whole civilisation has been changed - everybody understands everything.

synthesis is far more than a simple texture overlay ...


reducing the choices and outcoms of the series to a texture overlay and some altered dialogue would be almost insulting to the game.

the endings represent major changes to culture and lifestyle.

All of that can be shown by dialogue and atmosphere, but be realistic here, the real world is restricted by how much content they can fit on 2 blu-rays and whatever processing power the next Xbox has.

A story thing that can happen that'll disrupt all endings is invaders from another galaxy, even Synthesis only affected this galaxy.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Then there is a secret ending that if you promoted enough multiplayer characters to get your EMS over 10k and if you stand on the destroy side and shoot the control rods you'll trigger a purple ending where the reapers die, the relays aren't damaged, the catalyst dies, you live and are reunited with your loved ones, no synthetics die, and you'll get to play Shepard in ME4.

[silverignika]

Funny, my little brother (16 years old) loved the endings in the beginning, and was all excited for me to finish the game. Then I finished the game...

Since then, he's turned around completely and decided the endings were complete space-cow turd. In fact, he has become so alienated that he completely stopped playing MP and hasn't touched the game since May.

I think some people played ME3 hoping so desperately that it'd be amazing that they were momentarily blinded to the abysmal writing.

[WhiteKnyght]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I'm shocked, there seems to be actual conversation in this thread between to opposing sides.

at least, nobody is loosing the temper in this thread. you can feel the fire and devotion but at least, it stays civil.

i may not like the endings - and i think, that certain endings need a better buildup.
 
i dont expect anyone "from the other side" to change minds - respecting my view points, is all i can ask for.

Hearing another person's perspective could also help you better understand the parts which make it dissatisfactory.

[Ticonderoga117]

J. Reezy wrote...
Go on...

Well then we find out that the Geth aren't on a "All organics must die" rampage. 95% of them just want to be left alone and chill in a giant disco ball. They'd also be willing to get along with the creators if the Quarians weren't all about shooting them first and then asking questions later.

[MegaSovereign]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...
Go on...

Well then we find out that the Geth aren't on a "All organics must die" rampage. 95% of them just want to be left alone and chill in a giant disco ball. They'd also be willing to get along with the creators if the Quarians weren't all about shooting them first and then asking questions later.

So that makes the Organics vs Synthetics theme less relevant now just because we find out that synthetics aren't always the instigators? Come on.

[Ticonderoga117]

MegaSovereign wrote...
So that makes the Organics vs Synthetics theme less relevant now just because we find out that synthetics aren't always the instigators? Come on.

Well if the biggest source of synthetic aggression mostly doesn't want too, yeah.

Then there's also the whole "The Reapers are the ones behind it" thing. The Heretic Geth worship Sovereign as a god. Machines, with religion? Seems like indoctrination to me.

[MegaSovereign]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
So that makes the Organics vs Synthetics theme less relevant now just because we find out that synthetics aren't always the instigators? Come on.

Well if the biggest source of synthetic aggression mostly doesn't want too, yeah.

Then there's also the whole "The Reapers are the ones behind it" thing. The Heretic Geth worship Sovereign as a god. Machines, with religion? Seems like indoctrination to me.

It's NOT indoctrination. They worshipped Sovereign because the Heretics saw how much more advanced the Reapers are and that they believed Sovereign should give them a path to follow, as opposed to Legion's geth that want to find their own path.

The organic vs synthetic theme was never about evil robots being evil. That's a large misconception. It's about how organics create synthetics to improve their own existence but conflict starts when synthetics don't want to be controlled by their creators. It's about Control and the right to self-determination.

And again, the fact that so much of all three games is about defining the differences between organic and synthetic life should have been a clear indicator that it was a large underlying theme of the series.

[Ticonderoga117]

MegaSovereign wrote...
It's NOT indoctrination. They worshipped Sovereign because the Heretics saw how much more advanced the Reapers are and that they believed Sovereign should give them a path to follow, as opposed to Legion's geth that want to find their own path.

So the machines treating another machine like a god seems right to you? Ok...

The organic vs synthetic theme was never about evil robots being evil. That's a large misconception. It's about how organics create synthetics to improve their own existence but conflict starts when synthetics don't want to be controlled by their creators. It's about Control and the right to self-determination.

It's about conflict, one the Geth do not want. They just don't want to die. They didn't exactly mind the treatment before, they just wanted to ask if they had a soul, and then suddenly they're getting shot.

And again, the fact that so much of all three games is about defining the differences between organic and synthetic life should have been a clear indicator that it was a large underlying theme of the series.

Hardly. It was at best, a side show to the main play.

[Ryoten]

Pantanplan wrote...

How old is your brother? I think older people would react more positively to the ending than younger people would.

I'm 29 and i thought it was stupid.  I exposed my mother to it who is 60 and likes sci-fi.  She hated it.  It just depends on the person.

[Yaos]

Ryoten wrote...

Pantanplan wrote...

How old is your brother? I think older people would react more positively to the ending than younger people would.

I'm 29 and i thought it was stupid.  I exposed my mother to it who is 60 and likes sci-fi.  She hated it.  It just depends on the person.

you talked with your mother about the whole series of 3 games ? you have an awesome mother.

[Hey]

Yaos wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Pantanplan wrote...

How old is your brother? I think older people would react more positively to the ending than younger people would.

I'm 29 and i thought it was stupid.  I exposed my mother to it who is 60 and likes sci-fi.  She hated it.  It just depends on the person.

you talked with your mother about the whole series of 3 games ? you have an awesome mother.

your mom sounds cool as hell

[Yaos]

Festae9 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Pantanplan wrote...

How old is your brother? I think older people would react more positively to the ending than younger people would.

I'm 29 and i thought it was stupid.  I exposed my mother to it who is 60 and likes sci-fi.  She hated it.  It just depends on the person.

you talked with your mother about the whole series of 3 games ? you have an awesome mother.

your mom sounds cool as hell

I'm still trying to explain to her the plot of the first matrix movie today

[Hey]

Yaos wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Pantanplan wrote...

How old is your brother? I think older people would react more positively to the ending than younger people would.

I'm 29 and i thought it was stupid.  I exposed my mother to it who is 60 and likes sci-fi.  She hated it.  It just depends on the person.

you talked with your mother about the whole series of 3 games ? you have an awesome mother.

your mom sounds cool as hell

I'm still trying to explain to her the plot of the first matrix movie today

lol.  nice.  At thanksgiving one year me and my brother got my dad into a match of slayer on Halo 3.  Funniest thing Ive ever seen.  Its like his brain couldnt process it at all. 

[wong990616]

throw him out of the airlock before he become the god kid

[CR121691]

geceka wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

It doesn't matter what Bioware does, people will never let this go.

You are absolutely right, if anything, the positions are so entrenched by now, it's ridiculous to the point where people even refer to that tiny elevator carrying you into the catalyst's chamber as "space magic", when we have been floating around on much larger platforms all the time in ME2's collector ship and base. It's as if because of the ending, people walk backwards through the story, nitpicking about every inconsequential detail, just to fuel their rage even more. Absolutely pointless for Bioware to cater to those anymore.

Regarding "normal" people (e.g. those not posting on BSN) liking or disliking the ending: Well, I know people in both camps (I personally like the endings a lot, especially post-EC), but what I've never ever seen "in the wild" is someone who hates the endings with such burning passion as some people on here. There's a *huge* difference between "ah, well, I don't really like the ending" and "omg Bioware burn in hell"... The outrage on here is certainly much, much larger than it is among ME3 players as a whole, rest assured of that.

Well said! Couldn't agree more.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

I agree with your bro. Ending is great!

[Seival]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I agree with your bro. Ending is great!

+1

[LilLino]

Endings aren't great, they aren't good, they aren't bad.

They are medicore deus ex rip-offs and it's disappointing Bioware went that way.
What is worse is that they're full of crappy symbolism and barely believable. Especially Synthesis.

That said though, thanks to EC they're aren't total sh*t that makes me feel like everything I fought for is ruined. Destroy&Control were both strong themes since ME2 so I expected this sort of a choice, but not represented by win-click button.

And more back on topic: I had a friend who liked the endings even before EC. I argued, but after EC we both come to conlcusion that we enjoy Destroy.
It's just what it is. Reapers dead, boom, galaxy will recover. Heavy losses taken, nothing unexpected there.

Modifié par LilLino, 03 décembre 2012 - 11:46 .

[Anniefunny]

My friend liked the ending (synthesis), but she considers ME to be a shooter and she doesn't really care about the story in the first place. Her father thinks the same. Poor souls, but at least they didn't get heartbroken.

[malakim2099]

o Ventus wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

I think the endings are awesome and mass effect 3 is a great game.

BSN is never happy.

I dunno. I was pretty happy up until March of 2012. I even liked DA2.

I... I thought I was the only one!!!