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[SpicyRice94]

Hey people!
I have a really weird problem with my frame rate. Whenever I play in the dungeons (on low graphics, texture etc), the average FPS is around 15-30. But it depends on where i am in the dungeon. For example, around 28 FPS in a narrow path in the werewolf lair and then it drops to around 15 FPS when im in a wide room. BUT in very big places such as Denerim, it drops to 10 even on low settings with V sync on!   If i set the graphics to medium in dungeons, the framerate will drop to around 13!!

I have read a lot of forums saying how to increase the FPS but its still not working. Some things I have tried are:
Setting Threaded Optimization ON, I have installed a program called Game Booster and i have tried twiddling with the 3D settings on the NVIDIA control panel.
This game is playable on my PC and i have completed it once but i do want to play it again. But i have never had the experience of playing it in even medium graphics settings!   If you guys can help me that would be.... GREAT!!!!  Btw, this is the only game i have that has this problem. My other games such as Fable TLC or Spore work absolutely fine!

Here are my PCs details-

Windows 7 Enterprise
Processor: Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU    E4500 @ 2.20GHz
RAM: 2GB
System Type: 32-bit Operating System
Driver: NVIDIA version 195.62

Tell me if i need to add anymore details.
Thanks

[Herethos]

Windows 7 Enterprise

Processor: Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz

RAM: 2GB



You might be able to run windows 7 just fine with that system but not really be able to play demanding games at the same time. I think its better to still run games in windows xp sp 3 with those specs. Also you didn't mention your gfx card which could also be the reason, it isn't powerful enough.

[Zethell]

Windows 7 is more optimized than XP, and he has 2GB RAM, which is ok for running games on with Win7.
Looking at your specs.. you should be able to run it, but what kind of Graphics card do you have?
All you showed were drivers.

Perhaps it is your graphics card which is holding you back?

And if not, try cleaning the chassi and fans from dust.
Try defraging all the harddrives.
Try setting all your Windows Visual to basics, for maximum performance. (it would basicly look like Win98)
Kill any unnecessary tasks in windows task manager (CTRL+ALT+DEL or rightclick on traybar)

Modifié par Zethell, 05 janvier 2010 - 12:47 .

[Gorath Alpha]

It is just plain SILLY  to pose a question as the OP here has done, leaving out the most important part of a gaming PC! 

The Basics:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/509580

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 05 janvier 2010 - 05:36 .

[SirHederick]

turn V Sync off, check it's description, it's different in DA:O

[SirHederick]

and the lack of ram is a huge issue...

[Crispy8181]

He's probably running on a laptop with one of the GeForce M mobile chips. If so, no way to improve the graphics performance.

[SpicyRice94]

Whoops sorry that I didnt put in the graphics details (first time posting! )



NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS

Chip type: Geforece 8400 GS

Vram: 1008mb

Current Display Mode: 1680x1050 32bit 60Hz (20 inch monitor)



Btw I'm using a desktop but it had a video card issue before but i had it replaced because it was still under warranty. And also i'm a "she" lol.

Anyway I didnt mention that this pc use to be a windows vista home premium. The game was like what I currently have when i played it on the vista but it had very minor improvements when i upgraded to win 7.

The Game Booster thing closes all unnessesary programs in the background like msn and EA download manager or that sidebar if im not using it. So that saves up ram but it didnt really do much.

Sorry if i dont put enough detail.. im not really much of a computer person

Thanks for your help. I will try your advice as soon as i can

[linkrulesx10]

I may be wrong but I believe the 8400 is not a particurly powerful graphics card so that may be cause some f the slow speed you are experiencing with the game.
I am not an expedrt at this but I notice some FPS problems when things go hectic on my 7900 which is a bit of a step up on a 8400

Modifié par linkrulesx10, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:14 .

[Doofus42]

The 8400 GS only has 16 shaders and I am quite amazed that you can get the frame rate that you are seeing. I would have assumed that 15 to 20 FPS would be the highest rate you saw. You will need a new video card. Since you have an nVidia already, a better nVidia card should be a simple replacement with not having to remove old drivers and add new ones. (ATI does seem to have the performance advantage over nVidia at the moment.)



A couple of recommendations for nvVidia cards in order of increasing power:



1. GT 240 - 96 shaders (I have no experience with these cards) These card are low power and I did not see any requiement for PCIe power connectors. Chose a GDDR5 model for best performance. Do not get a GDDR2 version. Single slot card.



2. 9800GT - 112 shaders. (9800GT is a renamed 8800GT with a die shrink on some cards). I have 2 of the 8800GT cards and they perform well. They do tend to run a little hot though. Single slot card also. Also requires 1 PCIe 6 prong power connection.



3. GTS250 or 9800GTX - 128 shaders. I have one of these cards dedicated to Physx and running a second monitor so i cannot comment on how well this card performs graphically. This card is a double slot card and is quite long also so make sure that . Requires one PCIe 6 prong power connection.



You will need to make sure that your power supply can handle the additional load.



Also 2 GB of RAM is not enough to run DAO well. I had 2 GB of RAM out of 4 GB go bad in one of my PCs and the number of problems running DAO increased dramatically, especially system hangs. These all went away when the bad RAM was replaced. I my experience, 3 GB of RAM is the minimum needed on Vista or Win 7. I prefer 4GB with the 64 bit OS.



Hope this helps.

[Zethell]

This game only requires 800 to 1100 MB of RAM.  (with high graphics)
2GB is more than enough, no matter what OS he/she is using.
I run this game on my crappy laptop with 2GB RAM on win7 just fine. (with 7000m nvidia)

So dont listen to these noobs, they know nothing of which they speak.

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If you go to \\\\documents\\\\bioware\\\\dragon age\\\\settings\\\\
you will find a file called DragonAge.ini.

Open it in Notepad, and look for ForceLowSettings=0
change it to ForceLowSettings=1 if it's set to 0.

Then change EnableShadows=1 to EnableShadows=0 if it is set to 1.

should give you a bit extra FPS.

Modifié par Zethell, 06 janvier 2010 - 03:50 .

[Gorath Alpha]

The 8400 GS was not designed for game play.  I am pretty sure I omitted it from the Rankings because of its business level name code ("n400"), but it is not as quick as the official minimum card (which IMO is already not adequate).  I was very surprised recently to see that nVIDIA had allowed its retailers to advertise and to sell them for roughly actual vakle ($35, they are worth about $25, IMO). 

Previously, right through Black Friday, I think, nVIDIA had insisted that prices below an artificially high MSRP couldn't be advertised for their cheapest cards.  Here is that POS 8400 compared to the Vista / Windows 7 minimum card:

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

That shows the 8400 GS with only 28 % of the memory bandwidth, and only 80 % and 54 % on two other shared performance criteria. 

This is the local link for the Rankings List  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/128343

Here is a suitable video card for $50  www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx

Newegg sells in North America, including Canada, and in China. 

P. S.  The actual amount of RAM required / needed / used is much more variable than is easily dealt with in the kind of exchange that these forums specialize in.  Background shovelware, addiction to such stuff as Xfire and other IM / PM connections, the Social Forum's game connection defects,  the specific firewalls, AVs, etc. --  just way too many variables.  I will say this, however, if DxDiag reports more than about 850 MBs of "used" virtual memory from the Paging file, the system is not going to perform well enough in Vista / Windows 7 (about half that in Windows XP).

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 06 janvier 2010 - 05:51 .

[jundice]

In the mean-time, turn off vsync. You might get graphical tearing, but the way vsync works, if your framerate drops below the refresh rate of the monitor (typically 60hz), you will wind up with fps drops to values with integral demoninators (1/2, 1/4). So assuming 60 hz, if your theoretical fps without vsync enabled would drop to 59, your actual fps will drop be 30. If it would have been 29, you will get 15.

You can manipulate this a little by forcing your video adapter to a higher refresh rate, as long as your monitor supports it.

For what it's worth, I have windows 7, core2 duo about the same clock rate as OP, and a radeon 3870, and I get very smooth (>60fps) frame rates at 13xx widescreen (16:9)

Modifié par jundice, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:26 .

[Gorath Alpha]

The most important part of a gaming PC is the video, and your HD 3870 is anywhere from five times better on up to six or seven times the kind of performance that the awful 8400 GS can muster!

[StrikeSaber47]

The 8400(M)GS is a weak card, especially for users who regard FPS highly. I have played DA:O (well most of it) on that card and yea it is quite limited in running the game with all the bells and whistles (as well as trying to render good FPS). If high FPS is what you want (and this game in particular doesn't need massive FPS to play to be honest here, but then again), then you will need a better graphics card. I saw a huge difference going from the 8400M GS to a Radeon HD 4850 but I still can't say the game is impossible to play on the 8400M GS but it is not pretty either.

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 06 janvier 2010 - 09:47 .

[SpicyRice94]

I see. Well thanks for your help guys! I really appreciate it =D

And off to an electronics store I go!!!!



thanks again

[Meph144]

so,is there any way to improve my framerate?what about disabling shadows?

[Gorath Alpha]

Meph144 wrote...

so,is there any way to improve my framerate?what about disabling shadows?

First, pay for the program, then buy some worthwhile hardware. Real Simple. Meanwhile, go bother another forum elsewhere.  Our toleration level for pirates is zero. 

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:12 .

[ZootCadillac]

There is some terrible advice in here from people claiming to know what they are talking about but actually talking nonsense.



Bottom line is you need a new graphics card 8600 or better ( equivalent)



Everything else is fine.

[gx99-nq9y]

i agree with StrikeSaber47 and Gorath Alpha
Ati hd3850, Hd5870, hd4650, HD4850 would run da:o fine
the cpu speed 2,20ghz intel core 2 dou is just fine,
2gb ram, ok what kind of ram is this? ddr2? ddr3? what speed?
so i suggest you get a new video card mentioned above ati series

im running da;O on my laptop on maxium settings runs like a tite
specs
2.20ghz Intel T6600 core 2 dou mobile
Ati Hd4650 1gb (320 stream processors)
6gb ddr3 1033mhz
windows 7 home edition

Modifié par gx99-nq9y, 11 janvier 2010 - 10:24 .

[StrikeSaber47]

gx99-nq9y wrote...

i agree with StrikeSaber47 and Gorath Alpha
Ati hd3850, Hd5870, hd4650, HD4850 would run da:o fine
the cpu speed 2,20ghz intel core 2 dou is just fine,
2gb ram, ok what kind of ram is this? ddr2? ddr3? what speed?
so i suggest you get a new video card mentioned above ati series

im running da;O on my laptop on maxium settings runs like a tite
specs
2.20ghz Intel T6600 core 2 dou mobile
Ati Hd4650 1gb (320 stream processors)
6gb ddr3 1033mhz
windows 7 home edition

You will have to note that the Mobility version of the 4650 is slightly slower than the desktop 4650. However, it is still not shabby if you are running on Medium-High with decent FPS or if you overclock it to a desktop 4650 specifications. In addition, if you are getting a new ATI in the HD 4x00 Series , go get a 4870 over a 4850. I find personally so far with my 4850 to be a space heater and the 4870 is just much cooler and faster (better ram, higher clocks, etc.).

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 12 janvier 2010 - 02:43 .

[roybm]

2 gigs of ram is enough for just about any game out right now.

After reading countless tech sites, ram speed has the smallest impact on a games performance. You are most likely not going to see a jump in frame rates between DDR2 and DDR3 ram no matter what speed you are using.

When a game is opened on Windows 7, resources are cut and given priority to the game. Most PC's with 2gigs are going to be fine running most games.



have you tried lowering your resolution? I know i wouldn't mind running at such a high resolution, but i think its more of a bragging right than anything. 1680x1050? .... im sure you can compromise and be happy at a lower resolution for a frame rate boost?

[Titius.Vibius]

For nvidia users go to your nvidia control panel then manage 3d settings and then program settings, look for or add daorigins.exe, scroll down and look for threaded optimization, tick on to force it. Enabling this has worked for me and my fps has gone up considerably but it depends on your gpu I think, mine's a 9800 GT 1024 MB. Although frequent crashes now seems to be the staple specially when you are in Denerim (again?).

[gx99-nq9y]

StrikeSaber47 wrote...

gx99-nq9y wrote...

i agree with StrikeSaber47 and Gorath Alpha
Ati hd3850, Hd5870, hd4650, HD4850 would run da:o fine
the cpu speed 2,20ghz intel core 2 dou is just fine,
2gb ram, ok what kind of ram is this? ddr2? ddr3? what speed?
so i suggest you get a new video card mentioned above ati series

im running da;O on my laptop on maxium settings runs like a tite
specs
2.20ghz Intel T6600 core 2 dou mobile
Ati Hd4650 1gb (320 stream processors)
6gb ddr3 1033mhz
windows 7 home edition

You will have to note that the Mobility version of the 4650 is slightly slower than the desktop 4650. However, it is still not shabby if you are running on Medium-High with decent FPS or if you overclock it to a desktop 4650 specifications. In addition, if you are getting a new ATI in the HD 4x00 Series , go get a 4870 over a 4850. I find personally so far with my 4850 to be a space heater and the 4870 is just much cooler and faster (better ram, higher clocks, etc.).

true mobile version got lower clocks bit still same amounth of stream processor and i play on 1366x768
with 2x aa on ( other games 6 or 8x)