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[Kidd]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Well, obviously. Cole is going to be in DA3 so it would have to relate to Asunder.

Oh.please.yes! If he's a companion, even better.

[Frankaidenryan]

I very much doubt that there will be ANY characters from Asunder in DA:I at all. Usually book-only characters do not feature in games because it would take too much explaining to non readers. The breaking of the Nevarran Accord can be summarized in a prologue, just like DAO and DA2 used. Preferably in the same style too cause that animation was badass!

[Herr Uhl]

Frankaidenryan wrote...

I very much doubt that there will be ANY characters from Asunder in DA:I at all. Usually book-only characters do not feature in games because it would take too much explaining to non readers.

What about the Architect and Utha?

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 03 décembre 2012 - 10:31 .

[AppealToReason]

As far as the books go, do you need to read any of them in an order or are they all just their own thing?

[hexaligned]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Frankaidenryan wrote...

I very much doubt that there will be ANY characters from Asunder in DA:I at all. Usually book-only characters do not feature in games because it would take too much explaining to non readers.

What about the Architect and Utha?

Not to mention Loghain.  I haven't read any of the books, and have no idea who Cole is, but if that's what it takes to get some decent characters in the game (see: Loghain), then sure bring them all over.

[Herr Uhl]

AppealToReason wrote...

As far as the books go, do you need to read any of them in an order or are they all just their own thing?

Asunder is it's own thing. The Calling is a sequel to The Stolen Throne though.

[Herr Uhl]

relhart wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Frankaidenryan wrote...

I very much doubt that there will be ANY characters from Asunder in DA:I at all. Usually book-only characters do not feature in games because it would take too much explaining to non readers.

What about the Architect and Utha?

Not to mention Loghain.  I haven't read any of the books, and have no idea who Cole is, but if that's what it takes to get some decent characters in the game (see: Loghain), then sure bring them all over.

I wasn't sure if The Stolen Throne came out before Loghain was introduced, but I know that The Calling did so before the Architect.

[Steppenwolf]

There are obviously no set rules on carryover from book to game as far as Bioware is concerned. Characters originating in Dragon Age and Mass Effect books have gone on to appear in the games.

[Lucy Glitter]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

Poster child.

[Steppenwolf]

Well, Bungie as a company thinks it writes deep, complex stories that need companion novels for us pleb gamers to understand what's happening. In reality those books are basically 20 pages of story stretched into a novel and could have easily been folded into the thin plot of Halo 1-3.
Bioware's books serve to add depth to the setting and characters, not explain what should be in the games.

[deuce985]

This leads me to believe Cole will be in DA3.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Seriousness right here, read the book. Its fantastic. The first two books were pretty good, but Asunder is ****ing excellent. Ended up finishing it in 3 days cause I just couldn't put it down.

[Solmanian]

Did you need to read the books before playing Mass effect?

[PsychoBlonde]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Mr. Gaider has already confirmed that if any of Asunder's events affect the game, they'll be covered in-game, either through gameplay and dialogue or codex entries.

... but I really do recommend the book. I enjoyed it a lot, and if you're interested in DAIII hints before the game's released, that may be your best place to look.

I think it's his best book so far in terms of pacing, plot, and a lack of awkward contrivances.  While it kind of sets the stage for the Next Act, the important events in the book could be covered in about ten seconds of exposition (maybe even LESS) within the game.  So I don't think it's a Must Read thing, more like a fun little adjunct if you are interested in that sort of thing.

[Steppenwolf]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Mr. Gaider has already confirmed that if any of Asunder's events affect the game, they'll be covered in-game, either through gameplay and dialogue or codex entries.

... but I really do recommend the book. I enjoyed it a lot, and if you're interested in DAIII hints before the game's released, that may be your best place to look.

I think it's his best book so far in terms of pacing, plot, and a lack of awkward contrivances.  While it kind of sets the stage for the Next Act, the important events in the book could be covered in about ten seconds of exposition (maybe even LESS) within the game.  So I don't think it's a Must Read thing, more like a fun little adjunct if you are interested in that sort of thing.

The events of Origins and DA2 could be covered in as little time if you're not concerned with characters, context and quality.

[Asch Lavigne]

My guess: If you don't read the books you'll be missing out on information. They seem to do this, ME did it as well. They also do this with DLC. I really wish they wouldn't. I read like crazy but have no interest in the books.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

The books, despite being written by David Gaider, are entirely optional form what I understand and based on a continuity built upon on of Mr. Gaider's playthroughs. It's not canon and if anything is taken from the books, it will likely be things that have nothing to do with factors such as who is ruler of Ferelden (Alistair in Gaider's books and the more recent comics; alternate versions of events could also be worked into the game to account for player choices).

I agree that reading the books as a prerequisite to undertanding a game is fail. It would suck if the Witcher games were incomprehensible unless you read the books by Andrzej Sapkowski upon which Witcher and Witcher 2 were based. That's probably a reason why CD Projekt Red based their series after the events of the Witcher novels; rich, well-developed lore ready for adaptation without having to worry about how/ where it fits in to the existing continuity in the literature.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

Poster child.

The Halo games always struck me as pretty simplistic. It's fail that you'd even need books to understand them.

[PsychoBlonde]

BasilKarlo wrote...

The events of Origins and DA2 could be covered in as little time if you're not concerned with characters, context and quality.

The characters in Asunder aren't important unless they are actually in DA3, in which case, they'll be in DA3 so you won't need to read the books to know about them. 

Stolen Throne was actually a LOT more pertinent to the backstory for Origins than Asunder could possibly be to ANYTHING.  Gaider is getting better on the novel-writing, although he still occasionally misuses words so as to make me wince.

Indolent and redolent mean completely different things.

[Doctoglethorpe]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

The books, despite being written by David Gaider, are entirely optional form what I understand and based on a continuity built upon on of Mr. Gaider's playthroughs. It's not canon and if anything is taken from the books, it will likely be things that have nothing to do with factors such as who is ruler of Ferelden (Alistair in Gaider's books and the more recent comics; alternate versions of events could also be worked into the game to account for player choices).

I agree that reading the books as a prerequisite to undertanding a game is fail. It would suck if the Witcher games were incomprehensible unless you read the books by Andrzej Sapkowski upon which Witcher and Witcher 2 were based. That's probably a reason why CD Projekt Red based their series after the events of the Witcher novels; rich, well-developed lore ready for adaptation without having to worry about how/ where it fits in to the existing continuity in the literature.

Gaider's canon is the canon though.  You can ignore it or make up your own if you want to, thats fine, like personally canoning that Revan went back to the dark side in Kotor, but if you care about the tale Gaider is trying to tell you gotta accept a few things, namely the livelyhood of many of DAO's companions, that may be different from the path you took in the games.  Some people care about that, others just want to role play their own tale in the games, and thats fine either way. 

They said the books were optional, that doesn't mean the events don't happen.  The events in Asunder especially are crutial to the state of the world.  You can argue Asunder took place but cross out Wynne and Shale and fill in with new names with slightly different identities to fit your personal canon.  Change the actors but the play stays the same.  Their point was never that the events are optional, but rather reading the book to learn of them is.  What that means is that the important parts will be covered in the games to help people catch up to current events, perhaps sans references to potentially dead characters if they are so.  (or maybe not, wouldn't be the first time, or the second)  The books are basically a way to get more in-depth context instead of just hearing a character reference it or read a codex entry or something. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Stolen Throne was actually a LOT more pertinent to the backstory for Origins than Asunder could possibly be to ANYTHING. 

Man I just completely disagree with that.  I find it quite the opposit. 

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Sorry. Not interested in a book that features a different cannon and never acknowledge the Warden's existences or significant.

[Alexander1136]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Lintanis wrote...

twitter.com/Mike_Laidlaw/status/274730211940130816 
Will we have to read the book or will the the major parts be covered during the start of the game 

If you are using your save from previous DA series and killed Wynne(which i did in all, except one) or Shale, then you don't have to. Because in that case almost nothing of it happen.

She had her kid before you kill her..