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[DarkSpiral]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Gaider's canon is the canon though.

Ah...since gaider himself has gone on record as how the version he uses in not intended to function as the series canon, I find your statement lacking.

Specifically, I'm thinking about comments he made in regard to the comic tirlogy that being with The Silent Grove.

I can respct you deciding to use Gaider's story as a rough framework for your own playthroughs (if thats what you meant) but it does not, in any way, mean that Asunder is the official version.  Its just one version.

[Adanu]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

<_<<_<

If you can't handle that a series has other media, that's hardly the devs fault.

[Uccio]

Book and comics cannot be canon in the middle of the game serie.

[upsettingshorts]

The way I think of the extra material in books and comics is to consider it "David Gaider's playthrough of Dragon Age."

In the sense that it can be different from my own, and in all ways where my playthrough contradicts his stories, I can easily assume that my version takes precedence for me. In all areas where they do not conflict, Gaider's "playthrough" provides additional information and background that is useful.

[Doctoglethorpe]

DarkSpiral wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Gaider's canon is the canon though.

Ah...since gaider himself has gone on record as how the version he uses in not intended to function as the series canon, I find your statement lacking.

Specifically, I'm thinking about comments he made in regard to the comic tirlogy that being with The Silent Grove.

I can respct you deciding to use Gaider's story as a rough framework for your own playthroughs (if thats what you meant) but it does not, in any way, mean that Asunder is the official version.  Its just one version.

Fine, I give up.

When DAI refernces the actions of Pharamond, Rhys, Evangeline, Cole, Lambert, Leliana, or Fiona, the events at the White Spire or Adamant Fortress, or anything else that happened in the book,  I wont say I told you so. 

[terdferguson123]

It's been confirmed that book events will be covered in game, however if you have the option to read the book I highly recommend doing so, it is excellent and imo by far David's best work as far as novels go. If you are a fan of the series, you really have no good excuse.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 04 décembre 2012 - 05:13 .

[Robhuzz]

Frankaidenryan wrote...

I very much doubt that there will be ANY characters from Asunder in DA:I at all. Usually book-only characters do not feature in games because it would take too much explaining to non readers. The breaking of the Nevarran Accord can be summarized in a prologue, just like DAO and DA2 used. Preferably in the same style too cause that animation was badass!

Kai Leng says hello.
Kahlee Sanders as well.

I am aware that they're by different teams but it's still bioware...

[Kidd]

Robhuzz wrote...

Frankaidenryan wrote...

I very much doubt that there will be ANY characters from Asunder in DA:I at all. Usually book-only characters do not feature in games because it would take too much explaining to non readers. The breaking of the Nevarran Accord can be summarized in a prologue, just like DAO and DA2 used. Preferably in the same style too cause that animation was badass!

Kai Leng says hello.
Kahlee Sanders as well.

I am aware that they're by different teams but it's still bioware...

Shale, Utha and the Architect hit closer to home, I imagine =) All of them premiered in books.

[Atakuma]

Adanu wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

<_<<_<

If you can't handle that a series has other media, that's hardly the devs fault.

Yes it damn well is their fault. Ancillary media should be complimentary, not mandatory.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

If your interested in in finding out what happened to Wynne and SHale, read the book. If you want to see the interplay between mages the Templars and the chantry read the book, if you want to read a good story (personally I think it is better than DA2's plot) then read the book.

It doesn't give you any necessary information, only fleshes the world out.

[NRieh]

Did you need to read the books before playing Mass effect?

ME1 - none
ME2 - none
ME2--->ME3 2 ME2 DLCs, a novel and couple of comics to bring at least SOME sense into what happens on your screen.

Honestly, I always brought DA series as a perfect example of how game-content is presented on its own. Those who read novels and comics get some more, but those who do not - still have enough. Same goes for addons, DAA may bring some details into Anders and Justice backstory, but you are not forced to buy DAA in order to understand his arc and character in DA2.

I really hope this good tradition will continue and they won't follow ME3 path of separating game content into different medias.

[Maria Caliban]

The only thing you need to 'make sense' of ME 3's beginning is ME 2's Arrival. And if you don't want to play it, you can read the paragraph long summary on the wiki.

Which is good, because tie-in media is not my favorite.

[Lintanis]

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

If your interested in in finding out what happened to Wynne and SHale, read the book. If you want to see the interplay between mages the Templars and the chantry read the book, if you want to read a good story (personally I think it is better than DA2's plot) then read the book.

It doesn't give you any necessary information, only fleshes the world out.

Shale seemed extra snarky in the book , be good to see a soft and squishy dwarf version of Shale 

[Steppenwolf]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

The events of Origins and DA2 could be covered in as little time if you're not concerned with characters, context and quality.

Stolen Throne was actually a LOT more pertinent to the backstory for Origins than Asunder could possibly be to ANYTHING.

First off, knowing the future must be awesome. Second, how does that make any sense? Stolen Throne only served to add context to characters and lore. Asunder sets up pertinent events, introduces possible key players and a rumored companion(Cole).

[Little Princess Peach]

AppealToReason wrote...

fchopin wrote...

What does post Asunder mean compared to DA2?

I asked Gaider at the Edmonton Expo and he said it goes end of DA2, Asunder (3 years), DA3 start.

so how old do you think The warden and Hawke would be at this point, do we even know what age the new hero is at?

[Lintanis]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

AppealToReason wrote...

fchopin wrote...

What does post Asunder mean compared to DA2?

I asked Gaider at the Edmonton Expo and he said it goes end of DA2, Asunder (3 years), DA3 start.

so how old do you think The warden and Hawke would be at this point, do we even know what age the new hero is at?

Dont think the Warden's had a set age and Hawke is early 20's judging by the game so add 13 yrs to the Warden and 3 to Hawke from the end of DA2 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ukki wrote...

Book and comics cannot be canon in the middle of the game serie.

The writer said that the books and comics form another source of information about Dragon Age.  If Alistair's dead or something, then the book/comic events didn't happen like that in your game.  Dragon Age has a "default" worldstate that's used in the comics and books, not a "canonical" one.

Atakuma wrote...
Yes it damn well is their fault. Ancillary media should be complimentary, not mandatory.

Gaider's SAID it's meant to be complimentary.  It's hardly his fault if you don't believe him and take it as mandatory anyway.  The default worldstate's there to allow the writers to produce non-game material (books, comics, etc.) and make entry into the series easier for new gamers, not personally mess up your game.

And before anyone brings up Leliana and Anders, they are a different issue.  It would be analogous if they'd been alive in books/comics and subsequently retconned in the games.  That's not the case.  BioWare did tons of character death retconning in Baldur's Gate 2.  It's not that big of a deal.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 04 décembre 2012 - 10:11 .

[AppealToReason]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

AppealToReason wrote...

fchopin wrote...

What does post Asunder mean compared to DA2?

I asked Gaider at the Edmonton Expo and he said it goes end of DA2, Asunder (3 years), DA3 start.

so how old do you think The warden and Hawke would be at this point, do we even know what age the new hero is at?

I have no idea. Warden, dead or in the back half of his 30's. I'd assume Hawke is right around the same age. Maybe a few years younger. New guy will probably be right around 30.

[NRieh]

Hawke is early 20's judging by the game

Hawke was ~23 at the beginning of DA2 (As that's number you can hear either from Gamlen or Mother talking about when did she run away pregnant with Hawke).

Gaider's SAID it's meant to be complimentary.

I really hope EA won't find any ways to change his mind about it.

Modifié par Nrieh, 05 décembre 2012 - 08:17 .

[DarkSpiral]

Atakuma wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

<_<<_<

If you can't handle that a series has other media, that's hardly the devs fault.

Yes it damn well is their fault. Ancillary media should be complimentary, not mandatory.

Who said it was mandatory?  I have been told The Stolen Throne really hekls you understand Loghain, but it was hardly necessary for me (I never read it).  Just because "Asunder" happened (possibly with some alterations due to the state of the world in your game version) doesn't make the book mandatory.  Can we wait for the game to actually be available before we start tossing unfounded accusations around?

...okay, that's an unlikely event.  Its the Internet, and all that.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

ya! Reading is for jerks! can't I just randomly pick a green or red option on the wheel instead?

Seriously, anyone with half a brain will realize that everything you need to know will be available in game. Most likely you won't even have to read codex, if we even get one, since you know, apparently people didn't care about that from DAO. Maybe it will be large flashes of huge text and small words. It better be fast though, we wouldn't anyone to lose interest. 

You didn't need to read the first DA novel to understand DAO. It helped, it made me hate Loghain more, and that was fun, but it wasn't necessary. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

Honestly, I wish the books were necessary.  Just to stick it to yall haters. 

[Herr Uhl]

DarkSpiral wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

If you need to buy and read a book to understand the game, it's kinda of a fail.

<_<<_<

If you can't handle that a series has other media, that's hardly the devs fault.

Yes it damn well is their fault. Ancillary media should be complimentary, not mandatory.

Who said it was mandatory?  I have been told The Stolen Throne really hekls you understand Loghain, but it was hardly necessary for me (I never read it).  Just because "Asunder" happened (possibly with some alterations due to the state of the world in your game version) doesn't make the book mandatory.  Can we wait for the game to actually be available before we start tossing unfounded accusations around?

Right, what Atakuma is saying is that if Asunder or some other tie-in was essential to understanding the plot that'd be the devs fault. Not that Asunder was mandatory.

[Harlequin2]

Having read Asunder there are some specifics as to how the Mages and Templars started their war, but it pretty much starts at the end of Act 3. Asunder reminds me of the intermediate time between the assassination of the Austrian Archduke (Act 3) and the 1st World War (Mage-Templar War).

[nightscrawl]

Lintanis wrote...
Will we have to read the book or will the the major parts be covered during the start of the game 

I kind of assumed this was the case already, given the path the narrative takes from the DA2 ending to Asunder. To answer your question: no, reading the ancillary material is not required.

David Gaider wrote...

Anything introduced from those stories into future games would need to be done on the assumption someone didn't read them, so you're not required to.