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[hangmans tree]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I only read books that i find interesting and never read books for games.

Thats a very silly rule.  Do you not find Dragon Age interesting? 


Let me word that better.  So if you find Dragon Age interesting, it doesn't matter because you have an absolute rule against reading a book based on another form of media?  Even if its highly rated?  Even if its written by the actual primary creator of said original material and not just the commision of some random contractor?


How silly, and kind of sad.Your missing out. 

Missing out on what exactly? What value have said books? They are bad on their own, and hold ground ONLY because backing force of existing IP material in other media. Plot, narration, literary stylistics, vacobulary are unrefined, plain even. Thats indeed a waste of time. Its like comparing (exaggerated here) Harlequin books to Jane Austen.
There are exceptions, as always, but those are scarce.

Missing out on lore? Blog entries or tabs dediacted to fiction/world of a game, short comic books, webisodes... are good for expanding universe. Why waste time and read some 5¢ novel quality material which can be summed pu in couple of paragraphs of an essay?
Or stick to short stories.

PS
And why do so many people write your instead of you're? I understand english is not a native tounge to many of us but those are basics. Just a note, coz it seems to me some learn english from the internet forums and repeat the mistake (and countless other too).

[Herr Uhl]

hangmans tree wrote...

PS
And why do so many people write your instead of you're? I understand english is not a native tounge to many of us but those are basics.

Just a note, coz it seems to me some learn english from the internet forums and repeat the mistake (and countless other too).

You rag on grammar and use coz instead of because in the same paragraph? Wot is up with dat?

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 06 décembre 2012 - 10:58 .

[smallwhippet]

hangmans tree wrote...
Missing out on what exactly? What value have said books? They are bad on their own, and hold ground ONLY because backing force of existing IP material in other media. Plot, narration, literary stylistics, vacobulary are unrefined, plain even. Thats indeed a waste of time. Its like comparing (exaggerated here) Harlequin books to Jane Austen.

Well, if it's a question of missing apostrophes...

And why do so many people write your instead of you're? I understand english is not a native tounge to many of us but those are basics. Just a note, coz it seems to me some learn english from the internet forums and repeat the mistake (and countless other too).

Just saying.

[esper]

Well, I don't mix media, it is a principle of mine. Dragon Age is a game media for me and I do not accept anything else as lore for the universe untill they present it in the game.

I seriously think that making any of the important figures in the book a companion is a mistake, there will be a massive gap between how they player who has read the book and the player who hasn't understand the person and that gap is not easily overcome.

[hangmans tree]

smallwhippet wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...
Missing out on what exactly? What value have said books? They are bad on their own, and hold ground ONLY because backing force of existing IP material in other media. Plot, narration, literary stylistics, vacobulary are unrefined, plain even. Thats indeed a waste of time. Its like comparing (exaggerated here) Harlequin books to Jane Austen.

Well, if it's a question of missing apostrophes...

And why do so many people write your instead of you're? I understand english is not a native tounge to many of us but those are basics. Just a note, coz it seems to me some learn english from the internet forums and repeat the mistake (and countless other too).

Just saying.

Its not missing apostrophes I'm indicating but the inproper grammar, missing apostrophes (which I understand) should be youre not your (which changes meaning)...
So if you want to clever nitpick about my mistakes (there are plenty I recon) do it properly, yes?

Herr Uhl wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

PS
And why do so many people write your instead of you're? I understand english is not a native tounge to many of us but those are basics.

Just a note, coz it seems to me some learn english from the internet forums and repeat the mistake (and countless other too).

You rag on grammar and use coz instead of because in the same paragraph? Wot is up with dat?

'coz vs because - it does not change the meaning. Same as posted to the reply above....

Modifié par hangmans tree, 06 décembre 2012 - 11:39 .

[smallwhippet]

hangmans tree wrote...

smallwhippet wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...
Missing out on what exactly? What value have said books? They are bad on their own, and hold ground ONLY because backing force of existing IP material in other media. Plot, narration, literary stylistics, vacobulary are unrefined, plain even. Thats indeed a waste of time. Its like comparing (exaggerated here) Harlequin books to Jane Austen.

Well, if it's a question of missing apostrophes...

And why do so many people write your instead of you're? I understand english is not a native tounge to many of us but those are basics. Just a note, coz it seems to me some learn english from the internet forums and repeat the mistake (and countless other too).

Just saying.

Its not missing apostrophes I'm indicating but the inproper grammar, missing apostrophes (which I understand) should be youre not your (which changes meaning)...
So if you want to clever nitpick about my mistakes (there are plenty I recon) do it properly, yes?

Perfectly aware of the difference in meaning, thank you. Merely suggesting that, before you start complaining about other people's usage, you should be very careful to check your own. 

[Kidd]

Isaantia wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Asunder is worth people's time though, in my opinion. Certainly David's strongest book yet. Just wish he'd write moar novels instead of relegating plot to comics.

I just caught up on the comics after finishing Asunder. I definitely prefer the books over the comics, but it was nice to see Alistair again. 

It sure is! I've only read The Silent Grove though. The physical book for Those Who Speak isn't coming out on amazon until February.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 06 décembre 2012 - 12:55 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

hangmans tree wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I only read books that i find interesting and never read books for games.

Thats a very silly rule.  Do you not find Dragon Age interesting? 


Let me word that better.  So if you find Dragon Age interesting, it doesn't matter because you have an absolute rule against reading a book based on another form of media?  Even if its highly rated?  Even if its written by the actual primary creator of said original material and not just the commision of some random contractor?


How silly, and kind of sad.Your missing out. 

Missing out on what exactly? What value have said books? They are bad on their own, and hold ground ONLY because backing force of existing IP material in other media. Plot, narration, literary stylistics, vacobulary are unrefined, plain even. Thats indeed a waste of time. Its like comparing (exaggerated here) Harlequin books to Jane Austen.
There are exceptions, as always, but those are scarce.

Missing out on lore? Blog entries or tabs dediacted to fiction/world of a game, short comic books, webisodes... are good for expanding universe. Why waste time and read some 5¢ novel quality material which can be summed pu in couple of paragraphs of an essay?
Or stick to short stories.

PS
And why do so many people write your instead of you're? I understand english is not a native tounge to many of us but those are basics. Just a note, coz it seems to me some learn english from the internet forums and repeat the mistake (and countless other too).

Huhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. tl;dr incomming.

Whats the value of said books?  If its a good book its a good book, the **** more does it need to be?  If its bad then don't read it, if you don't like it, don't read it, thats not the point though.  If thats what you think the point is then your not even on the same page. 

What justice does it serve to stereotype an entire category of novels?  If you like said source material, then why not try the books too?  If they are bad, then yeah don't read it.  If you don't care about the source, don't read it, whatever.  Not my point.  But don't just assume its bad without even giving it a glance.  If you think Asunder is a 5 cent paper weight then either you have ubsurdly high standards or far more likely your judging it ithout even knowing anything about it other then the fact its licensed.  If you like DRagon Age and you read, why not give the DA books at least a glance?  Its arrogant to assume they are terrible just because many other licensed books are. 

I mean let me put it this way, I think most comic book based movies are absolutely horrible.  But I still give them a chance to get me to watch them.  If I didn't I would of never seen the new Nolan Batman films in all their glory.  Exceptions exist, but if you blindfold yourself you will never see them.  What purpose can that possibly serve?  (This is just an example based on my personal opinion of a different subject, I wont get into a debate on that subject here if anyones even thinking about it)

Asunder IS one of those exceptions for licensed books.  At least in my opinion.  Maybe thats all it is.  But if you automatically rule out all licensed novels then you inevitably miss out.  Thats all I'm saying.  Some of them are good, some of them are worth your precious time thats apparently worth so much but you still spend it in a place like this.  I'm not saying read it no matter its quality just because you play the game its based on.  Now that would be stupid.  And if I sound redundant in this post, thats because one hammer of a nail is never enough. 

What your doing, its like.. book.. racism.  Booksism.   Makes sense if your also a grammar **** I suppose.  Gammar ****s are notorious antinovelites.  Sorry I dont treat this lost butt crack of the internet like an academic term paper. 

I can't believe how much argument I've gotten for this.  Then again in a place like this maybe it shouldn't be that surprising.

<3

Edit:  Really?  N-a-z-i is a censored word?  :mellow::mellow:

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 06 décembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[smallwhippet]

Inclined to agree with @Doctor Moustache on this one. There's no point being a literary snob about it: if someone enjoys the writing of the Dragon Age games, the chances are they'll enjoy the novels. Wanting to keep one's gaming experience separate from other media is one thing, and a valid personal choice, but condemning a book out of hand, without having even tried to read it, is simply arrogant.

I hadn't read this sort of book before, but found it to be entertaining and well-written (although badly proof-read in places).The pacing was good; the new characters were engaging and the portrayal of the returning characters was consistent with their in-game incarnations. As someone who enjoys the story-line of the mage/templar conflict, it was also gratifying to gain a little more perspective upon the situation. I look forward to seeing what impact the events of 'Asunder' have on the new game.

[hangmans tree]

I never mentioned Asunder. Maybe I should make it clearer. I was reffering to the majority of the things I tried. Be it Star Wars or Warhammer books, Star Craft, Assassins Creed and so on... couldnt push through (with exceptions).
The same goes for D&D books which for the most part are readable. And that is it. Time filling (stealing?) ...hmmm, cant express what I have in mind in english, I am at a loss here, sorry.

When I compare those books to Simmons, Scott Card, Lem, Sterling, Wolfe, Sullivan, Asimov and countless other... well, like I said any comparison falls short and cant be drawn really - different kinds of animals I see it.

Lest make one thing clear - most of the books werent created from the urge to write 'em, they were ordered. "We need some fiction expanding lore, building on the franchise - go find me an author whos willing to write us a book... your budget is $$$". how do you even call it?

But that is only my opinion. Those books CAN be entertaining, true, but unfortunatetly there is not much more to them.
Spoken from said individual experience.
Burned too many a times, that is why I avoid the kind. Unless a friend refers me something worth reading. For the most part I do not judge by the cover, I just dont touch 'em

People can like whatever they wish, I am in no position to forbid their tastes, so why a na*zi?

EDIT written with haste, excuse me.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:21 .

[Lintanis]

 
Should give Asunder a go though it is a good book 

[Svanhildr]

Interesting. Guess I should start reading some Asunder someday soon, still haven't touched it since I bought it... too busy with SWTOR these days~

[nightscrawl]

Svanhildr wrote...

Interesting. Guess I should start reading some Asunder someday soon, still haven't touched it since I bought it... too busy with SWTOR these days~

Well you probably have a year or so, perhaps more. No rush XD. I plan on reading it again before DA3 is released, just as a refresh.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 08 décembre 2012 - 01:46 .