I see a lot of talk about how sweet Bard/Ranger archery Rogues are and how much damage Arrow of Slaying can do. But everyone also says to leave your Will untouched. With a song, pet and Rapid/Aim going I don't even have enough stamina to fire the thing off once. Should I not be using my sustainables as much?
Arrow of Slaying?
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Zan Hakudou
, janv. 05 2010 09:38
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Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 09:44
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I never used them with my Archer....
And with AoS....at mid range levels (depending on boss) she was hitting over 800 with AoS
Easiest way (other than with Mana Clash) to get the heavy hitter achievement too
Song only useful as a party buff....doesnt do much for an archer imo.....if you use Leliana in your party too...get her to use song, saves you doing it, also pets are not much use imo also (they are, but are not really needed).
rapid Aim also reduces your damage output, all it does it fire faster (nice for lots lower level mobs maybe)...pointless against say a boss.
And with AoS....at mid range levels (depending on boss) she was hitting over 800 with AoS
Easiest way (other than with Mana Clash) to get the heavy hitter achievement too
Song only useful as a party buff....doesnt do much for an archer imo.....if you use Leliana in your party too...get her to use song, saves you doing it, also pets are not much use imo also (they are, but are not really needed).
rapid Aim also reduces your damage output, all it does it fire faster (nice for lots lower level mobs maybe)...pointless against say a boss.
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Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 11:31
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rapid Aim also reduces your damage output, all it does it fire faster (nice for lots lower level mobs maybe)...pointless against say a boss.
I don't get why people say this.
You fire at 1.5x-2x the rate with Rapid Fire active. The only downside is that you get no crits. Crits will, depending on stats, give you UP TO double damage 5-20% of the time.
Rapid fire vastly increases damage.
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Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 12:36
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Use AoS in the start of the fight - THEN turn on your buffs like song and Rapid Aim. Many people do not realize that sustains do not cost anything to turn on, they only reduce your maximum stamina. If your current stamina is below the sustains upkeep cost it will not cost you a thing to turn on. It basically gives you free stamina.
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Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 12:39
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Good point bean...forgot that
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Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 01:31
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While I'm on the subject, what does "Rapid Aim" do on bows and helms? Does it stack with the ability?
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Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 02:46
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No it does not if you use short or long bows. With Rapid Aim the aim time is already 0 so Rapid shot can't lower it further.
Edit: Oh and btw the Bard songs stack. It is really nice to have 2 or 3 Bards with Song of Courage in your Group *g*.
Edit: Oh and btw the Bard songs stack. It is really nice to have 2 or 3 Bards with Song of Courage in your Group *g*.
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Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 01:02
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Demonic Spoon wrote...
rapid Aim also reduces your damage output, all it does it fire faster (nice for lots lower level mobs maybe)...pointless against say a boss.
I don't get why people say this.
You fire at 1.5x-2x the rate with Rapid Fire active. The only downside is that you get no crits. Crits will, depending on stats, give you UP TO double damage 5-20% of the time.
Rapid fire vastly increases damage.
Nah. Bows with "Rapid Aim" property already have 0 draw time. As your draw time can't go below 0, Rapid Shot provides no improvement for these weapons - it just prevents you from scoring criticals.
Could be more usefull for Crossbows... but then again since they get no bonus damage from any attribute using them is kinda pointless, at least till they fix x-bows.
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Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 01:08
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Haplose wrote...
Demonic Spoon wrote...
rapid Aim also reduces your damage output, all it does it fire faster (nice for lots lower level mobs maybe)...pointless against say a boss.
I don't get why people say this.
You fire at 1.5x-2x the rate with Rapid Fire active. The only downside is that you get no crits. Crits will, depending on stats, give you UP TO double damage 5-20% of the time.
Rapid fire vastly increases damage.
Nah. Bows with "Rapid Aim" property already have 0 draw time. As your draw time can't go below 0, Rapid Shot provides no improvement for these weapons - it just prevents you from scoring criticals.
Could be more usefull for Crossbows... but then again since they get no bonus damage from any attribute using them is kinda pointless, at least till they fix x-bows.
I´m not sure about vanilla, but at least if you use one of the various combat improvement mods, rapid aim on bow and rapid aim sustainable DO stack.
To AoS: My best shot with Leliana was 267.... against a white darkspawn. It does no damage at all on bosses... What am I doing wrong?
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Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 04:37
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At level 8 my arrow of slaying hit for 363 lol.
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Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 04:41
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I know that Elite Bosses seem to avoid or cancel it out. When it hits its awesome. 363 at level 8 huh, thats my benchmark for when I start an Archer.
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Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 05:36
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Yeah I got the heavy hitter achievement from it too.
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Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 05:50
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The fact that Rapid Fire eliminates Crits is why I would never use it. Wtih the right equipment, an Archer can generate +50% crits by just auto firing. I see very little need for ANY shot skills beyond AoS (as an opener and then when available again). That being said, Rapid Aim bows are certainly the way to go until you get your hands on a better unique weapon.
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Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 05:54
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Rapid Fire still does crits from your abilities though, like arrow of slaying.
I only use rapid of fire at the lower levels, then once I get a rapid aim bow, its good bye rapid fire, hello 50 more stamina.
I only use rapid of fire at the lower levels, then once I get a rapid aim bow, its good bye rapid fire, hello 50 more stamina.
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Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 07:17
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The Rapid Aim stat you find on gear will reduce your total aim time by 0.1s per rank (low level items have a rank of 1, highest level, a rank of 5, so the max bonus is 0.5s off the timer). If it took you 1.5s to aim, and you equipped a rank 3 Rapid Aim item (around the level 15 area), it will only take you 1.2s to aim, meaning a damage output increase of 20% from basic auto-attacks from a bow.
I'm pretty sure it does NOT stack with other Rapid Aim stat items, and will only apply the largest modifier, and there's really no way of knowing what the total effect is without testing/gauging by the item's Tier/level. But, it DOES stack with the Rapid Aim sustained mode.
I'm pretty sure it does NOT stack with other Rapid Aim stat items, and will only apply the largest modifier, and there's really no way of knowing what the total effect is without testing/gauging by the item's Tier/level. But, it DOES stack with the Rapid Aim sustained mode.
Modifié par Bibdy, 06 janvier 2010 - 07:21 .
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 01:21
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Hm, thanks for the info, everyone I'll just have to try a few things out and see how it goes.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 06:46
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Bibdy wrote...
The Rapid Aim stat you find on gear will reduce your total aim time by 0.1s per rank (low level items have a rank of 1, highest level, a rank of 5, so the max bonus is 0.5s off the timer). If it took you 1.5s to aim, and you equipped a rank 3 Rapid Aim item (around the level 15 area), it will only take you 1.2s to aim, meaning a damage output increase of 20% from basic auto-attacks from a bow.
I'm pretty sure it does NOT stack with other Rapid Aim stat items, and will only apply the largest modifier, and there's really no way of knowing what the total effect is without testing/gauging by the item's Tier/level. But, it DOES stack with the Rapid Aim sustained mode.
I guess I was mistaken then. But I was basing on the information that the aim time for bows is much shorter (and completly negated by the property). I wonder what is the actual aim time...
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 07:08
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Yeah arrow of slaying is great and gets better as you level up. the first time i used it was leliana and got 257 so I tried it with my own character next time and got 262 which got my heavy hitter. Just recently I took a shot with my 21st level rogue on the way up the tower at fort drakon while stealthed and got 683 just wish I could fire that off more than once.....................
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