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[DarklighterFreak]

me like it!

[Scam_poo]

Make it happen, BioWare. This idea is win.

[Sesquipedalian4]

Do you have a signature banner yet? Would love to spread the word on the idea!

[Scottus4]

The banner is pretty cool. Still not a big fan of the kits though.

[xsdob]

I like it. XD

[Silcron]

I like this a lot and seems easily doable by bioware

[kr3g]

approved

[Lt RedTide]

Scam_poo wrote...

Make it happen, BioWare. This idea is win.

[Chameleonbot]

Wow! What awesome support!
Thanks everyone =) Working on a signature banner right NOW.

[Sesquipedalian4]

Chameleonbot wrote...

Wow! What awesome support!
Thanks everyone =) Working on a signature banner right NOW.

Great! Can't wait!

[Chameleonbot]

Signature Banners are up!
Come 'n' get'em!

[Sesquipedalian4]

Thanks for the banners! Hope I spread the word better now!

[Quething]

Chameleonbot wrote...

Female Turian Talon Vanguard

- Biotic Charge
- Flare
- Lash/Throw
- Turian Outcast
- Fitness

No, no, no, no, no. 

Vanguards charge on every cooldown. It is essential to both damage and survival. Ask any veteran number-cruncher build-tweaker Platinum-soloer on the boards for default vanguard builds, this what you'll get:

Human: zero points Shockwave.
Drell: zero points Pull.
Krogan: zero points Carnage.
Phoenix: zero points Lash.
Batarian: zero points Lash.

Notice the pattern? Grenades, sustained powers (Barrier/Blade Armor), shield-burning powers (Nova), stuff that's off the cooldown, is useful. These powers synergize well with Charge. Stuff that steals your Charge cooldown and leaves you unable to slam your face into a dude when you need to does not. Stasis has sufficient range and utility and Smash/Biotic Slash a sufficient cooldown and damage-to-danger ratio from soft cover that they're usable (and even then AFAIK most people still skip Stasis), but Flare? Holy crap. You'd have to give the lady twice the durability of a kroguard before she'd even consider locking out her Charge that long once per match, forget using it regularly.

For a typical, workable vanguard, give her Charge, plus one power that's off the cooldown, plus one occasionally useful cooldown power that's got a very short cooldown or a stupidly good power with a moderate cooldown. For a highly synergistic vanguard with the potential to be the best we've got, give her Charge plus two off-cooldown powers.

Throw or Conc Shot would fit well as quick, useful powers that some Talons would consider taking to 3, and others would appreciate as a place to free up points for Fitness. AField would be deliciously powerful (possibly OP) and would cause actual question about how to best spec her. Pull would get three points from people like me who hate Guardians.

For the off-cooldown power, nades are a good standby (we could do a new type, Cryo, to compliment that other turian vanguard, or just go with frags, which feel pretty turian to me). A new power that acts similarly to Hawk Missiles, draining off shield to kill stuff in an AField-like radius, would be interesting and synergize really well with Charge. Stim Packs would be completely OP and make the Havoc even more obsolete than he already is. This one's the tricky bit, IMO.

But yes, femturian vanguards! Just, please. Please. Can we have a vanguard done right? Just one? 

/tl;dr Thoughts On Vanguards, I know.

Modifié par Quething, 08 décembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[Chameleonbot]

Quething wrote...

Chameleonbot wrote...

Female Turian Talon Vanguard

- Biotic Charge
- Flare
- Lash/Throw
- Turian Outcast
- Fitness

No, no, no, no, no. 

Vanguards charge on every cooldown. It is essential to both damage and survival. Ask any veteran number-cruncher build-tweaker Platinum-soloer on the boards for default vanguard builds, this what you'll get:

Human: zero points Shockwave.
Drell: zero points Pull.
Krogan: zero points Carnage.
Phoenix: zero points Lash.
Batarian: zero points Lash.

Notice the pattern? Grenades, sustained powers (Barrier/Blade Armor), shield-burning powers (Nova), stuff that's off the cooldown, is useful. These powers synergize well with Charge. Stuff that steals your Charge cooldown and leaves you unable to slam your face into a dude when you need to does not. Stasis has sufficient range and utility and Smash/Biotic Slash a sufficient cooldown and damage-to-danger ratio from soft cover that they're usable (and even then AFAIK most people still skip Stasis), but Flare? Holy crap. You'd have to give the lady twice the durability of a kroguard before she'd even consider locking out her Charge that long once per match, forget using it regularly.

For a typical, workable vanguard, give her Charge, plus one power that's off the cooldown, plus one occasionally useful cooldown power that's got a very short cooldown or a stupidly good power with a moderate cooldown. For a highly synergistic vanguard with the potential to be the best we've got, give her Charge plus two off-cooldown powers.

Throw or Conc Shot would fit well as quick, useful powers that some Talons would consider taking to 3, and others would appreciate as a place to free up points for Fitness. AField would be deliciously powerful (possibly OP) and would cause actual question about how to best spec her. Pull would get three points from people like me who hate Guardians.

For the off-cooldown power, nades are a good standby (we could do a new type, Cryo, to compliment that other turian vanguard, or just go with frags, which feel pretty turian to me). A new power that acts similarly to Hawk Missiles, draining off shield to kill stuff in an AField-like radius, would be interesting and synergize really well with Charge. Stim Packs would be completely OP and make the Havoc even more obsolete than he already is. This one's the tricky bit, IMO.

But yes, femturian vanguards! Just, please. Please. Can we have a vanguard done right? Just one? 

/tl;dr Thoughts On Vanguards, I know.

Very valid points, I'll think things over.
The two Biotic Turians have been the most challenging to develop and keep people happy with, I would like to keep Flare as having new powers is always a plus for new DLC. But loading them up with all old powers can bore people (i.e Post-Retaliation Characters.)
But As long as Lash and Charge are there I think an all new Biotic no cooldown, shield-draining power similar to Phase Disrupter would be a very good idea.
Thanks for the suggestion!

[FreaperFTW]

The kit/class distribution is really cool, and I'm 100% behind the idea, the powers are a bit "meh" though.

Still, +1 from me.

[DragonRacer]

Very nicely done on all of them!

And by this point, people already know my stance on female Turians. I actually kind of hope I'm not starting to come off as obnoxious with it...

[Leland Gaunt]

I like your ideas, very well thought out AND making sense.
I absolutely love the idea of Cryo grenades. I've been thinking about that myself, and it would make sense too, since we already have fire, electricity and even biotics "in a can". Snap Freeze grenades? Hell yes!

Please make it happen BioWare.

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 08 décembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[Uh Cold]

Very good work.

[Chameleonbot]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

I like your ideas, very well thought out AND making sense.
I absolutely love the idea of Cryo grenades. I've been thinking about that myself, and it would make sense too, since we already have fire, electricity and even biotics "in a can". Snap Freeze grenades? Hell yes!

Please make it happen BioWare.

That's exactly what I had in mind! 
A canister that's thrown and as soon as it lands it hovers from the floor and spins rapidly belching out a white misty cloud that freezes any enemies in it's radius.
Just to make it feel higher tech!

[xRiotMachinex]

idk about the f turian vanguard-all skills are great but it says nerf all over it. hoping it wont get nerfed, otherwise i like alot

[stysiaq]

I like it a lot.

[Storm-Reaver]

Just one thing.

Flare is useless garbage on Vanguard, it must be replaced with Nova. (Erryone wants a new nova)

I don't like any kit, but their design and whole idea of dlc makes me want it to happen. I don't think Bioware can come up with anything better.  

+ So much work should be rewarded. 

Modifié par Storm-Reaver, 08 décembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[Guywhoiam]

I like these ideas. Even the Flare on the Vanguard.

[Chameleonbot]

A lot of people seem to think that Vanguard needs a rework so I'll do my best to collectively look at everyone's suggestion and come up with an alternative.
Sadly, this might mean the loss of Flare :C
Would of been fun to have on a class but the state it is in at this moment might mean it's SP only unless I rework the Cabal AND the Talon.

Oh and thanks Storm-Reaver and Sesquipedalian4 for sporting the banner!

[Untonic]

Wow, very professional looking and I definitely support this idea.

+1 Please BioWare, implement this somehow.