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[TheMadCat]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Oghren can't be killed either Shas0, matter of fact no matter what you do he never leaves Fereldan.

No you missunderstand...I am not saying that Alistair is the
returning party member. I am saying Alistair is likely the child King
Maric had during the book "The Calling".

Did you black out during half the cutscenes in the game? It's said Alistair is Maric's bastard about a hundred times, hell the plot of Origins is centered around that little tidbit of information.

Yes but his mother is not confirmed to be Fiona so it is possible Maric had more than one bastard son. All the pieces fit but it is not something that is "confirmed" to be 100% true anywhere......hence it's just "very likely".

No, Alistair says his mothers name is Fiona, the same servant girl who gots Maric's jollies off in the book. I won't dispute the claim that Maric has more then one bastard through.

[Spectre 117]

TheMadCat wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

I think there so many Oghren haters I personally don't mind Oghren but so many people hate him and basically refuse to even consider it might be him.

Isn't that a little shortsighted? I'm not a big fan of Oghren and though they could have made a better selection but when you look at all of the companions and all of the epilogues his is the easiest to explain and the safest to use. If there indeed is only ever one option for the returning companion, he is simply the most logical choice out of the bunch. There are people who would hate whatever companion they picked, so simply saying it can't be done because there are "so many Oghren haters" isn't really a good reason to stand on because the same claim could easily be made if it was Morrigan, Zev, Alistair, Leliana, Dog, ect.

Now that you mention it i sincerely hope Dog comes back but that he ain't the surprise character :l

[Darth_Trethon]

TheMadCat wrote...

No, Alistair says his mothers name is Fiona, the same servant girl who gots Maric's jollies off in the book. I won't dispute the claim that Maric has more then one bastard through.

No he doesn't. Alistair NEVER says his mother's name at all....EVER....not once. You'll need a video to prove that claim. Fiona was an elven gray warden NOT a human servant like Alistair thinks. You clearly did NOT read the book.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 janvier 2010 - 09:56 .

[XOGHunter246]

TheMadCat wrote...

Isn't that a little shortsighted? I'm not a big fan of Oghren and though they could have made a better selection but when you look at all of the companions and all of the epilogues his is the easiest to explain and the safest to use. If there indeed is only ever one option for the returning companion, he is simply the most logical choice out of the bunch. There are people who would hate whatever companion they picked, so simply saying it can't be done because there are "so many Oghren haters" isn't really a good reason to stand on because the same claim could easily be made if it was Morrigan, Zev, Alistair, Leliana, Dog, ect.

I think I didn't type that correctly I meant the some Oghren haters are not wanting to consider it could be him. I would not call myself hater of the guy I just don't mind if it him.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 10 janvier 2010 - 10:00 .

[TheMadCat]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

No, Alistair says his mothers name is Fiona, the same servant girl who gots Maric's jollies off in the book. I won't dispute the claim that Maric has more then one bastard through.

No he doesn't. Alistair NEVER says his mother's name at all....EVER....not once. You'll need a video to prove that claim. Fiona was an elven gray warden NOT a human servant like Alistair thinks. You clearly did NOT read the book.

No, I know what Fiona was but I am trying to keep spoilers down to a minimum, Alistair does claim his mom was a servant which is why I made that refrence. I went back and played the part I thought I remember Alistair said his mothers name, wasn't there so perhaps he never does say it, though that begs the question how did I know Fiona's name and she was Alistair's mother before I read the Calling. I'll keep a close eye for it in my next playthrough.

I think I didn't type that correctly I meant the some Oghren haters are
not wanting to consider it could be him. I would not call myself hater
of the guy I just don't mind if it him.

I never said you were a hater of him, I simply implied that Bioware wouldn't choose Oghren because people don't like him, if that was the case they wouldn't bring any companion back because they all had their "haters".

Modifié par TheMadCat, 10 janvier 2010 - 10:05 .

[Querne]

vaesapiens wrote...

It seems to me that the story must be progressive, so we will not probably see any DLC in the old campaign after "the Awekaning" [the whole transfer to Amaranthine = You can't go back thing]
Also I have a doubtfull feeling that you will be alive even if u sacrificed yourself, by some strange things that we can not understand (in the begining of the trailer your PC is in the fade (i think) , maybe some strange ressurection accured) the Morrigan god-baby story is just too damn good to be tossed away, and I think that bit...eee WITCH has a plan.
And How you can rebuild the warden's if You are the King? Or the queen/ban/advisor or gone to Sten's land and so on and on and on. It would be cool to see the new Orlesian GW speaking with your old PC as the king (baby!)

Uhm, why?
It was already said that people who have sacrified themselves will start up with an Orlaisian Warden. That would be consequent and right in my opinion.
The Morrigan Story WON´t be thrown away. It´s already semi-official that she will come back in future parts of the game. But not in the Add On, if witches aren´t pregnant for a period of only six months.

[Darth_Trethon]

TheMadCat wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

No, Alistair says his mothers name is Fiona, the same servant girl who gots Maric's jollies off in the book. I won't dispute the claim that Maric has more then one bastard through.

No he doesn't. Alistair NEVER says his mother's name at all....EVER....not once. You'll need a video to prove that claim. Fiona was an elven gray warden NOT a human servant like Alistair thinks. You clearly did NOT read the book.

No, I know what Fiona was but I am trying to keep spoilers down to a minimum. I went back and played the part I thought I remember Alistair said his mothers name, wasn't there so perhaps he never does say it, though that begs the question how did I know Fiona's name and she was Alistair's mother before I read the Calling. I'll keep a close eye for it in my next playthrough.

Nice try but too little too late.

You knew because I mentioned it earlier in the Tread. I already said her name one or two times before you did. You do not keep spoilers to a minimum by replacing them with missinformation. You took the game info at face value and assumed it was what happened in the book. The fact is Fiona asked that her son be lied to about who his mother is.

[MoSa09]

Querne wrote...
Uhm, why?
It was already said that people who have sacrified themselves will start up with an Orlaisian Warden. That would be consequent and right in my opinion.
The Morrigan Story WON´t be thrown away. It´s already semi-official that she will come back in future parts of the game. But not in the Add On, if witches aren´t pregnant for a period of only six months.

If you play the new Orlesian Grey Warden, she obviously can't be pregnat, otherwise there would ne no need for you to play him cause your old PC would still be alive

[TheMadCat]

Nice try but too little too late.



You knew because I mentioned it earlier in the Tread. I already said her name one or two times before you did. You do not keep spoilers to a minimum by replacing them with missinformation. You took the game info at face value and assumed it was what happened in the book. The fact is Fiona asked that her son be lied to about who his mother is.

No, I've known the name and the connection long before this thread ever existed. I may be wrong, already stated that but I remember hearing the name Fiona in the game somewhere and I'll keep an eye on it later.

[vaesapiens]

Querne wrote...

vaesapiens wrote...

It seems to me that the story must be progressive, so we will not probably see any DLC in the old campaign after "the Awekaning" [the whole transfer to Amaranthine = You can't go back thing]
Also I have a doubtfull feeling that you will be alive even if u sacrificed yourself, by some strange things that we can not understand (in the begining of the trailer your PC is in the fade (i think) , maybe some strange ressurection accured) the Morrigan god-baby story is just too damn good to be tossed away, and I think that bit...eee WITCH has a plan.
And How you can rebuild the warden's if You are the King? Or the queen/ban/advisor or gone to Sten's land and so on and on and on. It would be cool to see the new Orlesian GW speaking with your old PC as the king (baby!)

Uhm, why?
It was already said that people who have sacrified themselves will start up with an Orlaisian Warden. That would be consequent and right in my opinion.
The Morrigan Story WON´t be thrown away. It´s already semi-official that she will come back in future parts of the game. But not in the Add On, if witches aren´t pregnant for a period of only six months.

I didn't see any official statement about that
 I know biology. And I was not assuming that Morrigan will come back now.

[Trooper Guy1]

Man you guys are really excited thinking this might have Morrigan in it don't you? If you read The Calling and then read up all the stuff about Awakening..this is all about the return of the Architect and his plans.

The return companion, I could care less I'll try to get them killed anyway. The talking darkspawn is not really a full darkspawn either. If they tie it in with The Calling he's a..hybrid so to speak.

Sokegi wrote...

My
theory about this guy is that he is one of those Tevinter mages that
first became darkspawn. I mean, he can talk like a human, he seems to
think like a human so he obviously wasn't spawned from a Broodmother.
He can also use magic, which strengthens the idea of him once being a
Tevinter mage. This is just a wild guess so i might be completely
wrong. He might be something completely else, like a new breed of
darkspawn, but i do not think so.

You are close, but he is not one of the first to become darkspawn. He's a lot like Bregan in The Calling. That's why he looks alot different from a hurlock.

Mr. Talking Dark Spawn: http://image.com.com...9099_screen.jpg

Hurlock: http://images2.wikia...ure-Hurlock.jpg

He bares small resemblance to the Hurlock. The lips and eyes have the most difference. Different texture of  skin too. He looks more like an undead than a darkspawn. Probably the effects of being mixed between darkspawn and human. (Which The Architect did this to this man. He also did the same thing to Bregan, unless that is Bregan and he's somehow still alive.)

Funny how Duncan is dead so he can't give you the straight story about all of this since he was part of the group to fight The Architect.

Modifié par Trooper Guy1, 10 janvier 2010 - 10:20 .

[vaesapiens]

But really, seeing your previous PC as the king would be epic.

[Darth_Trethon]

TheMadCat wrote...

Nice try but too little too late.

You knew because I mentioned it earlier in the Tread. I already said her name one or two times before you did. You do not keep spoilers to a minimum by replacing them with missinformation. You took the game info at face value and assumed it was what happened in the book. The fact is Fiona asked that her son be lied to about who his mother is.

No, I've known the name and the connection long before this thread ever existed. I may be wrong, already stated that but I remember hearing the name Fiona in the game somewhere and I'll keep an eye on it later.

Alistair doesn't know and none of the others that do know mention her. Duncan doesn't mention her, Loghain doesn't mention her(even if you take him in your party) and Eamon(who I think should know since he raised Alistair but maybe not) doesn't mention her. Anora might know since she essentially ruled the country for 5 years it would have been her job to know who might have a claim to her husband's throne but this is pure speculation and she never mentions Fiona.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 janvier 2010 - 10:25 .

[vaesapiens]

I didn't read the novel, are there enough information to describe the architect as a mage with a funny hat?

[Trooper Guy1]

vaesapiens wrote...

I didn't read the novel, are there enough information to describe the architect as a mage with a funny hat?

I don't recall his exact appearance, though he could be the creepy looking guy that's on the front of the Awakening cover. http://dragonage.bioware.com/awakening One right behind the text "awakening". Thing is I'm pretty sure Duncan or someone cut off one of his hands, so he should have a hand missing.

Unless he has regenerative powers similiar to an Ogre.

[Darth_Trethon]

vaesapiens wrote...

I didn't read the novel, are there enough information to describe the architect as a mage with a funny hat?

No the Architect is more like a highly intelligent darkspawn that wields magic.......he is a lot more than any emissary and actually reads....he has a rather large room with all kinds of books down in the deep roads. He is also not categorizable in any of the known types of darkspawn(genlock, hurlock, shriek and ogre from dwarf, human, elf and qunari broodmothers). His origins are unknown but he did not appear to fully command the darkspawn in the novel he more or less bullied them with threats and partial control through fear but the darkspawn were not afraid to to show their hatred of him even as they retreated from where the architect did not want them. The darkspawn themselves whre none too happy to see the architect snatch a dying warden from their grasp before they could finish the warden.

[Darth_Trethon]

Trooper Guy1 wrote...

vaesapiens wrote...

I didn't read the novel, are there enough information to describe the architect as a mage with a funny hat?

I don't recall his exact appearance, though he could be the creepy looking guy that's on the front of the Awakening cover. http://dragonage.bioware.com/awakening One right behind the text "awakening". Thing is I'm pretty sure Duncan or someone cut off one of his hands, so he should have a hand missing.

Unless he has regenerative powers similiar to an Ogre.

Odd you should not remember. The Architect played a huge role in The Calling.....he was the main antagonist throughout the novel. Who culd forget his long and phylosophical discussions throughout the book?

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 janvier 2010 - 10:39 .

[screwoffreg]

It seems they are setting up the Architect to be a real, main protagonist. I was somewhat disappointed in the Arch-demon originally as it lacked a certain "truly bad guy" flair. Based on what people are saying, the Architect sounds more like a Jon Irenicus, which is good. I imagine the sequel will have something to do with him rampaging through Thedas on some unholy quest (capturing Morrigan? Going to the Black City?). I will laugh, though, if the expansion ends with you and your party getting captured. Talk about Deja vu...

[TheMadCat]

Well I think it's safe to say Loghain and his crew were the real protagonists in Origins with the Darkspawn stepping up as the real protagonists for the first time in Awakening, really should be interesting.

[screwoffreg]

TheMadCat wrote...

Well I think it's safe to say Loghain and his crew were the real protagonists in Origins with the Darkspawn stepping up as the real protagonists for the first time in Awakening, really should be interesting.

So long as the Architect has a scene like the below, I'll be happy.

[RussianSpy27]

Will it somehow be recognized in "Awakening" if you finished the game and became King/Queen of Faraldan?

[TheMadCat]

Going off of what Bioware has said so far, yes it will be recognized. But considering they've said so little nothing is absolute as far as what is taken and continued from your story in Origins.

[vaesapiens]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

vaesapiens wrote...

I didn't read the novel, are there enough information to describe the architect as a mage with a funny hat?

No the Architect is more like a highly intelligent darkspawn that wields magic.......he is a lot more than any emissary and actually reads....he has a rather large room with all kinds of books down in the deep roads. He is also not categorizable in any of the known types of darkspawn(genlock, hurlock, shriek and ogre from dwarf, human, elf and qunari broodmothers). His origins are unknown but he did not appear to fully command the darkspawn in the novel he more or less bullied them with threats and partial control through fear but the darkspawn were not afraid to to show their hatred of him even as they retreated from where the architect did not want them. The darkspawn themselves whre none too happy to see the architect snatch a dying warden from their grasp before they could finish the warden.

 There are no characteristics about him? Such as : "He is still a darkspawn, but odd" or "more human than darkspawn" 
I ment : is he rather this:

or:

Modifié par vaesapiens, 11 janvier 2010 - 12:14 .

[Sphinxone1979]

About how much is this going to cost us? Is this going to continue from the game left off?

[Trooper Guy1]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Trooper Guy1 wrote...

vaesapiens wrote...

I didn't read the novel, are there enough information to describe the architect as a mage with a funny hat?

I don't recall his exact appearance, though he could be the creepy looking guy that's on the front of the Awakening cover. http://dragonage.bioware.com/awakening One right behind the text "awakening". Thing is I'm pretty sure Duncan or someone cut off one of his hands, so he should have a hand missing.

Unless he has regenerative powers similiar to an Ogre.

Odd you should not remember. The Architect played a huge role in The Calling.....he was the main antagonist throughout the novel. Who culd forget his long and phylosophical discussions throughout the book?

Not that I don't remember all that stuff, I just forget what he looks like.