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[Posioned]

Well if Alistair is going to be busy, I will be too since I'm by his side.

But seriously I just wish they would say something (I know they won't though) All this wild speculation just seems to get out of hand.

[cinderburster]

@TheMadCat

That's what I've been hoping will be done, actually. And I know that there are always issues like that--I've got a relative that works in the gaming industry and have had many enlightening discussions with him about the inner workings of the field (I hope to work in the industry too).

It doesn't keep me from wishful thinking, though.

Modifié par cinderburster, 12 janvier 2010 - 08:50 .

[SinYang]

They should do that but they wont do that, because alot of people will still buy the expansion. Characters or no.. Its the sad truth. If you can sell a product effortlessly, why put effort into it?.

This past poll reveals what "most" think. I need not say anything else.

http://www.bioware.c...html?pollID=319

Make that 7217.. I didnt get to vote  

Modifié par SinYang, 12 janvier 2010 - 09:19 .

[TheMadCat]

Posioned wrote...
But seriously I just wish they would say something (I know they won't though) All this wild speculation just seems to get out of hand.

Didn't you know, that's how Bioware gets their kicks. They sit back together at the end of the day with a couple of beers and and laugh at our wild speculations and crazy theories and place bets to see which poster guesses parts of it right. That's why they say they appreciate and enjoy the ideas and suggestions given by the community.

@TheMadCat

That's what I've been hoping will be done, actually.
And I know that there are always issues like that--I've got a relative
that works in the gaming industry and have had many enlightening
discussions with him about the inner workings of the field (I hope to
work in the industry too).

It doesn't keep me from wishful thinking, though. ../images/spacer.gif../images/spacer.gif

Anything's possible at the moment aside from a couple of things which have been shot down. From an economic standpoint, it's not unreasonable to think that three or four voice actors could record dialogue as both NPC's (The cameos which have been confirmed) and as party members. Their characters and voices would already be in the game a majority of the time and a bit of dialogue I'm sure can be recycled and used both ways. From a story, technical, and economic perspective, it's not too much of a stretch to think you may get a choice between Oghren, Lel, Zev, maybe Alistair or that one of the 3 or 4 would be dumped in your party automatically depending on the romance you picked.

My money is still on Oghren being the sole option but the more I think about it the more I'm kind of sliding towards my other "theory".

[Diesyn]

I have absolutely no problem with The Sten. He Loves my female character and I always have him in my party, wouldn't have it any other way. Get him to like you enough and he gets a massive plot bonus to strength plus a side quest. Good guy.

[Wishpig]

I find it kinda funny that people are guessing a plethora of different characters (alistar, Dog, Morrigan) to be the returning characters, but very few are guessing Oghren who we KNOW is returning and who we KNOW will group with us (permanently or temporarily.)

I think it's a great thing as Oghren is a character who I think was pretty damn screwed over and one that most people wrote off without giving him a chance... frankly I can't blame them... hard to get (as Ozimar is fairly difficult at lower levs), comes off as a cliche dwarf at first, and is yet ANOTHER warrior who fills pretty much the same damn role as Sten whose gotten far earlier. I bet the vast majority never rolled with him.

Many people say shale is the funniest character, but personally I think Oghren is FAR funnier, I mean what other bioware character loves to pleasure himself in public areas?

Modifié par Wishpig, 12 janvier 2010 - 09:30 .

[Aristorum]

Wishpig wrote...

I find it kinda funny that people are guessing a plethora of different characters (alistar, Dog, Morrigan) to be the returning characters, but very few are guessing Oghren who we KNOW is returning and who we KNOW will group with us (permanently or temporarily.)

I think it's a great thing as Oghren is a character who I think was pretty damn screwed over and one that most people wrote off without giving him a chance... frankly I can't blame them... hard to get (as Ozimar is fairly difficult at lower levs), comes off as a cliche dwarf at first, and is yet ANOTHER warrior who fills pretty much the same damn role as Sten whose gotten far earlier. I bet the vast majority never rolled with him.

Many people say shale is the funniest character, but personally I think Oghren is FAR funnier, I mean what other bioware character loves to pleasure himself in public areas?

This.

Oghren was pretty deep sometimes, too. Taking him to the ashes quest was a little heart wrenching.

[MoSa09]

Wishpig wrote...

I find it kinda funny that people are guessing a plethora of different characters (alistar, Dog, Morrigan) to be the returning characters, but very few are guessing Oghren who we KNOW is returning and who we KNOW will group with us (permanently or temporarily.)

How do we know, apart from that the trailer shows a dwarf that looks remarkably like him, but nevertheless don't have to be him? That's the first teaser trailer, and i said it many times before, BioWare's is not as stupid as to make that returning companion a secret and then reveal him in the very first trailer.
I'll stick to what is confirmed, and that is one returning companion from DAO that will remain a secret at least close to release, maybe even longer. As we have, if you take Shale and the secret companion too, 10 all together, which grants everyone of them a 10% chance to be the one returning.
I agree there are reasons to speculate one is more likely than the other, but that is pure speculation, and if BioWare want's to bring one back the community thinks to be unliekyl i'm sure the writers are capable of writing a meaningful plot for his or her return.
Until further information from BioWare about the companions, this is all pure speculation, and each and every single one has the exact same chance to appear as the new companion in Awakening

[Wishpig]

MoSa09 wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

I find it kinda funny that people are guessing a plethora of different characters (alistar, Dog, Morrigan) to be the returning characters, but very few are guessing Oghren who we KNOW is returning and who we KNOW will group with us (permanently or temporarily.)

How do we know, apart from that the trailer shows a dwarf that looks remarkably like him, but nevertheless don't have to be him? That's the first teaser trailer, and i said it many times before, BioWare's is not as stupid as to make that returning companion a secret and then reveal him in the very first trailer.
I'll stick to what is confirmed, and that is one returning companion from DAO that will remain a secret at least close to release, maybe even longer. As we have, if you take Shale and the secret companion too, 10 all together, which grants everyone of them a 10% chance to be the one returning.
I agree there are reasons to speculate one is more likely than the other, but that is pure speculation, and if BioWare want's to bring one back the community thinks to be unliekyl i'm sure the writers are capable of writing a meaningful plot for his or her return.
Until further information from BioWare about the companions, this is all pure speculation, and each and every single one has the exact same chance to appear as the new companion in Awakening

Listen, that IS Oghren. He is one of two companions to have their own unique hairstyle... and thats Oghren's hair style and hair color... something tells me the new companion isn't Oghren's twin brother who happens to look just like him.

Whether he groups with your perminently or temporarly is the question. BUT there is a small chance his model is acting as a place holder, but thats a stretch.

Perhaps it is just speculation, but also a dash of common sense.

*SPOILERS*

Now, I don't know for 100% sure. But I've heard a few people say oghren is one of the few companions (maybe only companion?) who can't die. Wonder why Wrex, Ashley, and Kaiden aren't making a companion comeback in Mass Effect 2? Cause it would be really tricky to write in and program in a character who may be dead. Not impossible mind you, but far from easy.

Regaurdless, I thought dragon age was the first bioware game to have all it's companions be intresting and almost equally awesome. No stinkers in the DA:O crew! So when the devs say the new companions are even cooler, well hell, who cares whose coming back!?

Modifié par Wishpig, 12 janvier 2010 - 10:07 .

[MoSa09]

Wishpig wrote...
Now, I don't know for 100% sure. But I've heard a few people say oghren is one of the few companions (maybe only companion?) who can't die. Wonder why Wrex, Ashley, and Kaiden aren't making a comeback in Mass Effect 2? Cause it would be really tricky to write in and program in a character who may be dead. Not impossible mind you, but far from easy.

As i said, there are many theories who is more likely than others, and i agree that a character who has three separate chances to die is less likely than someone who can die only once or better can't die at all. I heard that Oghren rumor to be untrue, as the Developers kit reveal different, but didn't checked myself.
I just said that despite all good reasoning, unless confirmation from BioWare, this remains speculation, however good the reasons for that speculation are. If they wanted to, they just can revive every character without any explanation. I'll doubt they do, but they could.

[Gorskijesih]

I might be rushing to conclusions here, but I truly think we wont be given any choice in the matter. I believe Bioware will go with only one "canon" ending, that one including Alistair as king and Loghain being dead, but the rest being adaptable.



That makes me quite sad since I'm a huge Loghain supporter and the character I played for my first playthrough, a dwarf warrior, would be the one whom I would chose for Awakening, and he developed a fair amount of mutual respect for Loghain, you could even say they were friends in the end.



Random weird hope-induced speculation now, but in the scene in the trailer where a ghost in what is clearly the Fade breaks through the door, I really hope that ghost is Loghain and his cameo is you meeting him in the Fade where he can finally reveal his thoughts on Ostagar and defend himself from the accusations of all the people that didn't choose him.

[vaesapiens]

Offtopic:begin

@Wishpig: it's not true, they are coming back, but not in your crew.

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Ashley

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kaidan

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Wrex

/Offtopic:end

[Aslend]

With a street price nearly as high as the actual game, this is no expansion pack, it's a dissapointment without even being released. Not too mention the "community" being used to fix issues which should have been fixed before the initial game came out, paying nearly $100 for the game and expansion pack and still dealing with major problems, is not a good value. At least the story, writing, scripting and cutscene work are what I would expect from Bioware, all very good.

[Wishpig]

vaesapiens wrote...

Offtopic:begin
@Wishpig: it's not true, they are coming back, but not in your crew.
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Ashley
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kaidan
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Wrex
/Offtopic:end

Ya, thats what I ment. Their coming back if they lived, but not "IN YOUR CREW." Cameos only. Which is my whole point. I suspect most DA:O characters will likewise make an appearance, or at least a few... if they survived.

Modifié par Wishpig, 12 janvier 2010 - 10:07 .

[Dragon Age1103]

Gorskijesih wrote...

I might be rushing to conclusions here, but I truly think we wont be given any choice in the matter. I believe Bioware will go with only one "canon" ending, that one including Alistair as king and Loghain being dead, but the rest being adaptable.

That makes me quite sad since I'm a huge Loghain supporter and the character I played for my first playthrough, a dwarf warrior, would be the one whom I would chose for Awakening, and he developed a fair amount of mutual respect for Loghain, you could even say they were friends in the end.

Random weird hope-induced speculation now, but in the scene in the trailer where a ghost in what is clearly the Fade breaks through the door, I really hope that ghost is Loghain and his cameo is you meeting him in the Fade where he can finally reveal his thoughts on Ostagar and defend himself from the accusations of all the people that didn't choose him.

 
  I thought in some article or on these forums Bioware already acknowledged that the main part of Origins that will play a huge role in Awakening is how you chose to do things from the landsmeet & after?

[RPGlover732]

Gorskijesih wrote...

I might be rushing to conclusions here, but I truly think we wont be given any choice in the matter. I believe Bioware will go with only one "canon" ending, that one including Alistair as king and Loghain being dead, but the rest being adaptable.

That makes me quite sad since I'm a huge Loghain supporter and the character I played for my first playthrough, a dwarf warrior, would be the one whom I would chose for Awakening, and he developed a fair amount of mutual respect for Loghain, you could even say they were friends in the end.

Random weird hope-induced speculation now, but in the scene in the trailer where a ghost in what is clearly the Fade breaks through the door, I really hope that ghost is Loghain and his cameo is you meeting him in the Fade where he can finally reveal his thoughts on Ostagar and defend himself from the accusations of all the people that didn't choose him.

You understand bioware said your choices matter, like makeing alistar king and killing logahin. Anyway my only doubt are that they will have the choices from side quests and (if your survived) the choices about what your going to do now like go look for morrigan etc.That would be way to hard to pull off, but maybe it could happen who knows. but makeing a canon ending is not what bioware does and they said they wont do it.

[Dragon Age1103]

I will be so excited if it is Duncan but I really doubt it even though Bioware confirmed in an interview & never corrected themselves that Duncan is assumed to be dead. Return to Ostagar could confirm that but I doubt it will. All we saw was a hurlock charging him & swinging a battle axe. I'm pretty sure that is the only time the game doesn't show someone being gruesomely murdered. lol. Wait I think you recover Duncan's weapons in RTO if I read it correctly so maybe he is dead. lol.

[vaesapiens]

Wishpig wrote...

vaesapiens wrote...

Offtopic:begin
@Wishpig: it's not true, they are coming back, but not in your crew.
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Ashley
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kaidan
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Wrex
/Offtopic:end

Ya, thats what I ment. Their coming back if they lived, but not "IN YOUR CREW." Cameos only. Which is my whole point. I suspect most DA:O characters will likewise make an appearance, or at least a few... if they survived.

 Is it that bad? It's totally plausible for people to have their own problems when the danger that united them is gone. Like in ME if wrex was not killed "Spoiler"; he unites the krogan to fight the genophage end of spoiler; or Sten going back to his nation, Shale becoming a dwarf again, most of your old companions will be totally unaware of a new threat in Ferelden, and really is that threat so big as the blight was? Ferelden got their new king, the lands are united, and Wardens are rebuilding, if I think about this and my "perfect world" playthrough, i am considering the architect as a whacko! 

[Chettor13]

Im just curious as to why you guys chose to put this expansion pack in the only place that does not exist on the map today? ^^ You can see Orlais, Nevarra, Free Marches, Tevinter, Revain, Antiva and more, but not Amaranthine, but you do have the Amaranthine Ocean, so I guess its on the other side of that.

Modifié par Chettor13, 12 janvier 2010 - 11:58 .

[damirko]

No Chettor13, it's the small region by the sea in northeast Ferelden!

[Wishpig]

vaesapiens wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

vaesapiens wrote...

Offtopic:begin
@Wishpig: it's not true, they are coming back, but not in your crew.
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Ashley
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kaidan
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Wrex
/Offtopic:end

Ya, thats what I ment. Their coming back if they lived, but not "IN YOUR CREW." Cameos only. Which is my whole point. I suspect most DA:O characters will likewise make an appearance, or at least a few... if they survived.

 Is it that bad? It's totally plausible for people to have their own problems when the danger that united them is gone. Like in ME if wrex was not killed "Spoiler"; he unites the krogan to fight the genophage end of spoiler; or Sten going back to his nation, Shale becoming a dwarf again, most of your old companions will be totally unaware of a new threat in Ferelden, and really is that threat so big as the blight was? Ferelden got their new king, the lands are united, and Wardens are rebuilding, if I think about this and my "perfect world" playthrough, i am considering the architect as a whacko! 

Is that bad? What do you mean? I take it your asking is it bad they make cameos and don't rejoin your group due to their own problems.

And my answer is hell no, it makes perfect sense and allows for new comrades while still paying homage to the old. For example, I loved Wrex, but I'm fine with the fact he'll be making a cameo, and further more I really look foward to Grunt.

Oghren was my fav! As of now he's the #1 contender for returning character, and at worst he teams up with you temproarly. Either way I'm happy!

[AlexanderPrimus]

 I'm interested in what classes the new characters will be. From the trailer, it looks like we're getting... sigh... ANOTHER female human mage. 

Here are the combinations we have yet to experience:

Male Human Rogue
Male Human Mage
Female Human Warrior
Male Elf Warrior
Male Elf Mage
Female Elf Warrior
Female Elf Rogue
Female Elf Mage
Male Dwarf Rogue
Female Dwarf Warrior
Female Dwarf Rogue

I would say that I expect to see 5 of these combinations made manifest in the new companions, but that third female human mage gave me pause.

Seriously, DEVS: just stick some pointy ears on the girl. it wouldn't be that hard!

[Wishpig]

The one thing I thought was f*in RETARDED in DA:O was all the freakin warriors we got. Sten, Alistar, and Oghren... Sten and Oghren serving the same damn role. Then we had Dog and Shale, both of which pretty much served the same purpose of Sten/Oghren/Alistar, albeit not technically tanks.



I also would like a more diverse group this time around with some new mixes of race and class. Perhaps one or two can be their own class like Shale and Dog mixing it up even further.