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[Asebstos]

ISHYGDDT wrote...
The only relevant point in this discussion is highlighted.  Phantoms get a million percent damage reduction on host, unless you use a stagger weapon they're sturdier than atlases.  

But whatever, everybody tell OP to l2p, that's a lot less intellectually demanding.

Yeah, but they've always been that way. Phantoms are strange enemies because some weapons/powers completely trivialize them while not using said weapons/powers can make things a bit of an uphill battle (especially if there is more than one around)

If you're worried about your class' power set/heavy melees not being able to handle Phantoms, then why wouldn't you bring a weapon well suited for dealing with them? Does anyone, besides the OP, really believe that the Acolyte is the ONLY option for certain classes?

[waltervolpatto]

" SING FOR MEEEEE!!!!!!! "

(play phantom of the opera theme...)

[hudder92]

Klokos wrote...

BellHanger wrote...

Why are people so against using the falcon? You guys do know its one of the lighter weapons in the game while packing a decent puch right?

Didn't you hear, it got nerfed once, so now it's a totally useless weapon that you should absolutly never use.

Which should give BW a clue to stop nerfing weapons unless they want everyone to quit playing. Sooner or later people will get fed up with it and leave.

Yes, I know it's been a while since they nerfed a weapon.. I actually thought they came to their senses.. I guess I was wrong.

[cronshaw]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Not invincible? Yeah, about that. Try killing a Phantom on gold, on host, with a Carnifex on a Cryo-Havoc efficiently. When you've done that, I'll accept that I'm wrong.

Why am I using a carnifex on a Havoc Soldier?
people aren't going to take you seriously if you use absurd hypotheticals. 

[Asebstos]

hudder92 wrote...

Klokos wrote...

BellHanger wrote...

Why are people so against using the falcon? You guys do know its one of the lighter weapons in the game while packing a decent puch right?

Didn't you hear, it got nerfed once, so now it's a totally useless weapon that you should absolutly never use.

Which should give BW a clue to stop nerfing weapons unless they want everyone to quit playing. Sooner or later people will get fed up with it and leave.

Yes, I know it's been a while since they nerfed a weapon.. I actually thought they came to their senses.. I guess I was wrong.

I think your sarcasm detector needs some re-calibrating.

[DJ Airsurfer]

modok8 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Not invincible? Yeah, about that. Try killing a Phantom on gold, on host, with a Carnifex on a Cryo-Havoc efficiently. When you've done that, I'll accept that I'm wrong.

Why am I using a carnifex on a Havoc Soldier?
people aren't going to take you seriously if you use absurd hypotheticals. 

Because you hate the AA and need to get the damn Pistol Challenge done, that's why.

[Clayless]

modok8 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Not invincible? Yeah, about that. Try killing a Phantom on gold, on host, with a Carnifex on a Cryo-Havoc efficiently. When you've done that, I'll accept that I'm wrong.

Why am I using a carnifex on a Havoc Soldier?
people aren't going to take you seriously if you use absurd hypotheticals. 

Host.

Multi-Fragless Destroyer.

Revenant X, Claymore X.

No enemy in the game should make this set up as big of a joke as the Phantom does.

[waltervolpatto]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

modok8 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Not invincible? Yeah, about that. Try killing a Phantom on gold, on host, with a Carnifex on a Cryo-Havoc efficiently. When you've done that, I'll accept that I'm wrong.

Why am I using a carnifex on a Havoc Soldier?
people aren't going to take you seriously if you use absurd hypotheticals. 

Because you hate the AA and need to get the damn Pistol Challenge done, that's why.

if you hate the AA, try with a Fury or any engi caster...

Modifié par waltervolpatto, 04 décembre 2012 - 06:47 .

[ISHYGDDT]

Asebstos wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...
The only relevant point in this discussion is highlighted.  Phantoms get a million percent damage reduction on host, unless you use a stagger weapon they're sturdier than atlases.  

But whatever, everybody tell OP to l2p, that's a lot less intellectually demanding.

Yeah, but they've always been that way. Phantoms are strange enemies because some weapons/powers completely trivialize them while not using said weapons/powers can make things a bit of an uphill battle (especially if there is more than one around)

If you're worried about your class' power set/heavy melees not being able to handle Phantoms, then why wouldn't you bring a weapon well suited for dealing with them? Does anyone, besides the OP, really believe that the Acolyte is the ONLY option for certain classes?

It certainly wouldn't be my first choice as I mentioned in this thread, but everyone saying "just learn to be a badass like me and shoot them in the head," has either never hosted, or is trolling.

[DJ Airsurfer]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

It certainly wouldn't be my first choice as I mentioned in this thread, but everyone saying "just learn to be a badass like me and shoot them in the head," has either never hosted, or is trolling.

The fact that people assume I don't aim for the head is, well, dumb.

[hudder92]

Asebstos wrote...

hudder92 wrote...

Klokos wrote...

BellHanger wrote...

Why are people so against using the falcon? You guys do know its one of the lighter weapons in the game while packing a decent puch right?

Didn't you hear, it got nerfed once, so now it's a totally useless weapon that you should absolutly never use.

Which should give BW a clue to stop nerfing weapons unless they want everyone to quit playing. Sooner or later people will get fed up with it and leave.

Yes, I know it's been a while since they nerfed a weapon.. I actually thought they came to their senses.. I guess I was wrong.

I think your sarcasm detector needs some re-calibrating.

No, I knew you were being sarcastic, but sarcasm aside you aren't far off. Whenever anything gets nerfed it rarely ever gets used anymore.

[Blitzkrieg_33]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Because you hate the AA and need to get the damn Pistol Challenge done, that's why.

Proof that the OP cares less about overall balance/gameplay, more just getting those pretty banners in an easy fashion.

[Asebstos]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

modok8 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Not invincible? Yeah, about that. Try killing a Phantom on gold, on host, with a Carnifex on a Cryo-Havoc efficiently. When you've done that, I'll accept that I'm wrong.

Why am I using a carnifex on a Havoc Soldier?
people aren't going to take you seriously if you use absurd hypotheticals. 

Host.

Multi-Fragless Destroyer.

Revenant X, Claymore X.

No enemy in the game should make this set up as big of a joke as the Phantom does.

If you specced out of the stagger power why aren't you using say, a GPS instead of the Claymore? Or some other weapon combo that includes something that can easily deal with Phantoms (Striker + Claymore would also work). Phantoms aren't novel creatures that rarely show up, not preparing for them doesn't make any sense.

[Clayless]

Asebstos wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Host.

Multi-Fragless Destroyer.

Revenant X, Claymore X.

No enemy in the game should make this set up as big of a joke as the Phantom does.

If you specced out of the stagger power why aren't you using say, a GPS instead of the Claymore? Or some other weapon combo that includes something that can easily deal with Phantoms (Striker + Claymore would also work). Phantoms aren't novel creatures that rarely show up, not preparing for them doesn't make any sense.

So you're saying that Phantoms need to have more attention put into them than any other enemy in the game? That a Destroyer can't use two extremely powerful weapons at level 10 because Phantoms completely nullify them?

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 04 décembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[NuclearTech76]

Any projectile power puts her in her defensive position when her hit box is up including grenades. Shoot her in the damn face when she goes into that vogue pose.

If you suck at shooting things in the face and have grenades do the opposite target a wall or another enemy near her where her target box doesn't come up where she takes damage from the grenade. If another teammate targets her with a projectile power she will go into the bubble. If she takes live fire that doesn't down her she will likely start flipping for DR. If you strip a certain portion of their barrier they cloak and run for cover, they will not fire the palm cannon while doing this.

[DJ Airsurfer]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Because you hate the AA and need to get the damn Pistol Challenge done, that's why.

Proof that the OP cares less about overall balance/gameplay, more just getting those pretty banners in an easy fashion.

Proof? If it's proof of anything it's that you have your head up your ass too. I was using the Carnifex for the Pistol Challenge, doesn't change the fact that Phantoms are broken with their damage output and damage reduction.

[jordie3000]

I figure that if the Acolyte is too OP or overused on Phantoms or whatever, I balance it out by forgetting how it destroys them in two shots (so I forget to bring it out for them). When I do indeed remember what it does to them, I derive great, great pleasure from watching that pain-in-the-ass go all rag-doll corpse through the air so quickly.

It's the little things, really.

[Bolo Xia]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...
The only relevant point in this discussion is highlighted.  Phantoms get a million percent damage reduction on host, unless you use a stagger weapon they're sturdier than atlases.  

But whatever, everybody tell OP to l2p, that's a lot less intellectually demanding.

Yeah, but they've always been that way. Phantoms are strange enemies because some weapons/powers completely trivialize them while not using said weapons/powers can make things a bit of an uphill battle (especially if there is more than one around)

If you're worried about your class' power set/heavy melees not being able to handle Phantoms, then why wouldn't you bring a weapon well suited for dealing with them? Does anyone, besides the OP, really believe that the Acolyte is the ONLY option for certain classes?

It certainly wouldn't be my first choice as I mentioned in this thread, but everyone saying "just learn to be a badass like me and shoot them in the head," has either never hosted, or is trolling.

i host all the time, the other day i played off host and i was like "omg phantoms can die from regular guns too?!!?"

usually when i host i always have to consider "how will i deal with a phantom on this character?" before i ever start playing because i do U/U all the time.
sure i can kill a phantom with any gun in the game... but i dont want to have to fight that one enemy for 2 mins strait... and if a teammate even attacks it that really screws up my plans, especially if that teammate has no idea what they are doing.

so ya i agree the "on host" thing is a good start to fixing phantoms, maybe all thats needed too.
also there are some other things that still need fixing, like the shockwave radius bug for just 1 example.

i support having to defeat my enemy with tactics, but we need fixes to obvious bugs too.

[BellHanger]

Klokos wrote...

BellHanger wrote...

Why are people so against using the falcon? You guys do know its one of the lighter weapons in the game while packing a decent puch right?

Didn't you hear, it got nerfed once, so now it's a totally useless weapon that you should absolutly never use.

lol whats funy is that I never touched the gun until I tried a melee smashguard and remembered that Biower buffed the weight making it lighter.

[Blitzkrieg_33]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Because you hate the AA and need to get the damn Pistol Challenge done, that's why.

Proof that the OP cares less about overall balance/gameplay, more just getting those pretty banners in an easy fashion.

Proof? If it's proof of anything it's that you have your head up your ass too. I was using the Carnifex for the Pistol Challenge, doesn't change the fact that Phantoms are broken with their damage output and damage reduction.

You're using a ****ty setup to deal with an enemy that you already know has issues (which some can be solved by simply not playing as host).

Don't complain on BSN when you can't take out an enemy b/c of your poor character build.

[N7Dropout1]

I enjoy headshotting them, but the DR from their cartwheeling only took off 2 bars. Sorry!

[Klokos]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Because you hate the AA and need to get the damn Pistol Challenge done, that's why.

Proof that the OP cares less about overall balance/gameplay, more just getting those pretty banners in an easy fashion.

Proof? If it's proof of anything it's that you have your head up your ass too. I was using the Carnifex for the Pistol Challenge, doesn't change the fact that Phantoms are broken with their damage output and damage reduction.

Maybe you shouldn't do your challenge on gold if you can't use good weapons effectively.

[digetey dank]

Storm-Reaver wrote...

OHMYGAWD HOW DID WE KILL PHANTOMS BEFORE ACOLYTE???

I'll tell you how:

Learn to play, noob.

says the guy who joined bsn less than 2 months ago

[Blitzkrieg_33]

funkathon wrote...

Storm-Reaver wrote...

OHMYGAWD HOW DID WE KILL PHANTOMS BEFORE ACOLYTE???

I'll tell you how:

[/u][u]Learn to play, noob.

says the guy who joined bsn less than 2 months ago

Because when someone joins a forum is an indication of how long they've actually played the game.

[Equi_nox]

Stop stop stop phantoms are WEAK yes they are annoying yes there palm cannons are ridicoulous. BUT THATS WHAT MAKES THE GAME FUN. If every person got there wish it would be like playing call of duty on very easy ease up accept a challenge. I understand cerberus is a hard faction but understand this what fun is the game if you keep on keep on nerfing. Ill admit the acolyte nerf is dumb but needed. Stop complaining *Balance