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[Pantanplan]

I choose peace everytime in Rannoch, and I like Legion's character, but you can't deny the fact that the geth slaughtered billions of innocents. They are presented as innocent and looking for guidance, and that the quarians are 100% responsible, but really, only 17 million quarians were left after the Morning War. Nothing, and I repeat, nothing justifies such slaughter. To all of you who support the geth and Legion's version of their history: how are the geth innocent and lost children, while the quarians the aggressive instigators who deserve genocide?
Beforethe Reaper code upload the geth were indvidual VI-like programs who only gained intelligence by grouping together. The quarians have families, children, civilians while the geth have none of this. When peace isn't an option, why do some save the geth and let the quarians die?

Modifié par Pantanplan, 04 décembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Pantanplan wrote...

I choose peace everytime in Rannoch, and I like Legion's character, but you can't deny the fact that the geth slaughtered billions of innocents. They are presented as innocent and looking for guidance, and that the quarians are 100% responsible, but really, only 17 million quarians were left after the Morning War. Nothing, and I repeat, nothing justifies such slaughter. To all of you who support the geth and Legion's version of their history: how are the geth innocent and lost children, while the quarians the aggressive instigators who deserve genocide?

if you put it this way, the allied forces should have bombarded germany and all its inhabitants after ww2.

we did horrable things ... why are we still here? why did we get another chance?


maybe, just because the killing has to stop at some point.

[xAmilli0n]

Well, ME3 did try to make the player more sympathetic towards the Geth than the Quarians. Where did you get that percentage? If its correct...damn.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 04 décembre 2012 - 07:00 .

[SNascimento]

"You cannot play god, than wash your hands of the things you have created. Sooner or later the day comes, when you can't hide from the things you have done anymore".

The Quarian genocide was their responsability. The Geth were only doing what was expect of them, ie, killing an enemy that was trying to wipe them out from existence. It's a valid conclusion given the circustance that the only response to that is wipe them out in return.

The Geth, if anything, were merciful.

[ForThessia]

The Geth are not innocent in the slightest and I kill them every time on Rannoch. You don't come that close to killing off an entire people and get to play the victim card. That and their constant aligning with reapers made the choice very simple for me.

[Pantanplan]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Pantanplan wrote...

I choose peace everytime in Rannoch, and I like Legion's character, but you can't deny the fact that the geth slaughtered billions of innocents. They are presented as innocent and looking for guidance, and that the quarians are 100% responsible, but really, only 17 million quarians were left after the Morning War. Nothing, and I repeat, nothing justifies such slaughter. To all of you who support the geth and Legion's version of their history: how are the geth innocent and lost children, while the quarians the aggressive instigators who deserve genocide?

if you put it this way, the allied forces should have bombarded germany and all its inhabitants after ww2.

we did horrable things ... why are we still here? why did we get another chance?


maybe, just because the killing has to stop at some point.

Germany and its inhabitants are humans capable of rational thought, not mindless killer programs. And they did not slaughter 99.83% of the world's population.

[KingZayd]

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

[Pantanplan]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Well, ME3 did try to make the player more sympathetic towards the Geth than the Quarians. Where did you get percentage? If its correct...damn.

Well, the population of Rannoch before the geth war was in the billions, so I assume 8-10. The Migrant Fleet's population has been stable since the quarians were exiled from Rannoch (17 million), so it's logical to assume the other quarians were killed by the geth.

[Steelcan]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Well, ME3 did try to make the player more sympathetic towards the Geth than the Quarians. Where did you get that percentage? If its correct...damn.

. What percentage is 17 million of say 7 billion?  It's not a lot.  

[ZombieGambit]

Where are you getting that number 17 million? Isn't that the current number of quarians? I think originally there were much fewer left since they've slowly expanded and purchased more ships while still keeping their 300 year old ones, according to Tali.

Jeez, the geth almost wiped out an entire species and obviously killed non-combatants too. That's pretty ****ed up now that I think about it.

[Pantanplan]

SNascimento wrote...

"You cannot play god, than wash your hands of the things you have created. Sooner or later the day comes, when you can't hide from the things you have done anymore".

The Quarian genocide was their responsability. The Geth were only doing what was expect of them, ie, killing an enemy that was trying to wipe them out from existence. It's a valid conclusion given the circustance that the only response to that is wipe them out in return.

The Geth, if anything, were merciful.

They killed billions of people who had nothing to do with the creation of the geth. For the mistakes of a few thousand scientists, they tried to exterminate an entire race. Why do some consider the genophage a war crime and this not, when it's almost the same thing (worse, even)?

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

. The average geth is no more intelligent than a varren.

[xAmilli0n]

Pantanplan wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Well, ME3 did try to make the player more sympathetic towards the Geth than the Quarians. Where did you get percentage? If its correct...damn.

Well, the population of Rannoch before the geth war was in the billions, so I assume 8-10. The Migrant Fleet's population has been stable since the quarians were exiled from Rannoch (17 million), so it's logical to assume the other quarians were killed by the geth.

Okay, thats what I figured.  Its funny, as much as I feel I have a good grasp of the ME universe, I've never actually sat back and considered how many lives the Geth actually took.  This definitely paints them in a completely different light.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

. The average geth is no more intelligent than a varren.

Then they are as guilty as a massive pack of varren. You can't have it both ways.

[Pantanplan]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Where are you getting that number 17 million? Isn't that the current number of quarians? I think originally there were much fewer left since they've slowly expanded and purchased more ships while still keeping their 300 year old ones, according to Tali.

Jeez, the geth almost wiped out an entire species and obviously killed non-combatants too. That's pretty ****ed up now that I think about it.

Damn, you're right, it makes sense that they were much fewer. Holy crap, 17 million quarians isn't even the number of quarians the geth let leave Rannoch. They were much fewer.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

. The average geth is no more intelligent than a varren.

Irrelevant, considering a single Geth wasn't making decisions like that. 

What I'd like to know is how many Quarians died at the hands of other Quarians, and how many Geth died. There was more to the Morning War than a cull. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 décembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Pantanplan]

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

The geth have no civilians, no children, and no complex emotional bonds. There isn't really a comparison.

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

. The average geth is no more intelligent than a varren.

Then they are as guilty as a massive pack of varren. You can't have it both ways.

. What do we do with problematic animals?

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

. The average geth is no more intelligent than a varren.

Irrelevant, considering a single Geth wasn't making decisions like that. 

. And the average Quarian did nothing to the geth

[KingZayd]

Pantanplan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

The geth have no civilians, no children, and no complex emotional bonds. There isn't really a comparison.

The Geth were ALL civilians at the start. They were all basically children. You're right, The extinction of the Quarians is completely different.

[Argolas]

The best excuse I can think of is that they did not really know what they were doing back then.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

. The average geth is no more intelligent than a varren.

Then they are as guilty as a massive pack of varren. You can't have it both ways.

. What do we do with problematic animals?

We don't accuse them of genocide 

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Pantanplan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

The geth have no civilians, no children, and no complex emotional bonds. There isn't really a comparison.

The Geth were ALL civilians at the start. They were all basically children. You're right, The extinction of the Quarians is completely different.

. Children that slaughtered billions.

[ForThessia]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

. The average geth is no more intelligent than a varren.

Then they are as guilty as a massive pack of varren. You can't have it both ways.

. What do we do with problematic animals?

This.

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It would have been 100% if the war had gone the other way.

. The average geth is no more intelligent than a varren.

Then they are as guilty as a massive pack of varren. You can't have it both ways.

. What do we do with problematic animals?

We don't accuse them of genocide 

. We put them down:devil: