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[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They clearly do have disagreements. But they typically follow the results of their diplomatic process.
Clearly with the schism, they actually just split rather than the minority (whichever that was) going with the majority decision.

That was due to a programming error, not a conscious decision on their part.

Not an error a decision, a thought pattern changes brain activity in organics just as it would changes lines of code in a synthetic.

So the heretics changed their core programming by thinking?  And I thought synthesis was pseudo-science

That's what AIs do. They take in new information, and they develop.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They clearly do have disagreements. But they typically follow the results of their diplomatic process.
Clearly with the schism, they actually just split rather than the minority (whichever that was) going with the majority decision.

That was due to a programming error, not a conscious decision on their part.

How was it a programming error?
They just reached different conclusions, and chose to split.

because of an equation's result.

Yes. They got different answers. Where's your evidence that they got the equation wrong?

Do you know what we call different answers for the same equation? At least one of them is wrong.

X^2= 4
How many solutions are there?

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

How old is Tali again?

Irrelevent.  The quarians as a whole agree with her, you get some outliers but most think they were right to try and destroy the geth

Pretty sure none of the Quarians we've met are over 100 years old. Since none of them were there, how much do they REALLY know about those events?

Considering their fixation on their ancestors, probably a good deal.

Considering their fixation on their ancestors, they probably took the interpretation that puts their ancestors in the best light.

Then why do some quarians disagree with the others? If that was the only interpretation then there would be no dissent as seen in Koris

[DirtySHISN0]

Steelcan wrote...
So the heretics changed their core programming by thinking?  And I thought synthesis was pseudo-science

Anomalies are unexpected results, not errors.

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They clearly do have disagreements. But they typically follow the results of their diplomatic process.
Clearly with the schism, they actually just split rather than the minority (whichever that was) going with the majority decision.

That was due to a programming error, not a conscious decision on their part.

Not an error a decision, a thought pattern changes brain activity in organics just as it would changes lines of code in a synthetic.

So the heretics changed their core programming by thinking?  And I thought synthesis was pseudo-science

That's what AIs do. They take in new information, and they develop.

Synthetics do not evolve.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

How old is Tali again?

Irrelevent.  The quarians as a whole agree with her, you get some outliers but most think they were right to try and destroy the geth

Pretty sure none of the Quarians we've met are over 100 years old. Since none of them were there, how much do they REALLY know about those events?

Considering their fixation on their ancestors, probably a good deal.

Considering their fixation on their ancestors, they probably took the interpretation that puts their ancestors in the best light.

Then why do some quarians disagree with the others? If that was the only interpretation then there would be no dissent as seen in Koris

So if there is more than one interpretation, why do you take choose the one that you do?

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They clearly do have disagreements. But they typically follow the results of their diplomatic process.
Clearly with the schism, they actually just split rather than the minority (whichever that was) going with the majority decision.

That was due to a programming error, not a conscious decision on their part.

How was it a programming error?
They just reached different conclusions, and chose to split.

because of an equation's result.

Yes. They got different answers. Where's your evidence that they got the equation wrong?

Do you know what we call different answers for the same equation? At least one of them is wrong.

X^2= 4
How many solutions are there?

This is an equation in the core programming.  It COULDN'T have more than one result.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They clearly do have disagreements. But they typically follow the results of their diplomatic process.
Clearly with the schism, they actually just split rather than the minority (whichever that was) going with the majority decision.

That was due to a programming error, not a conscious decision on their part.

Not an error a decision, a thought pattern changes brain activity in organics just as it would changes lines of code in a synthetic.

So the heretics changed their core programming by thinking?  And I thought synthesis was pseudo-science

That's what AIs do. They take in new information, and they develop.

Synthetics do not evolve.

Crazy Quarians. They shot a bunch of robots with VIs, because they feared a rebellion.
Stupid Quarians. They lost to a bunch of VIs.

Modifié par KingZayd, 05 décembre 2012 - 03:21 .

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then why do some quarians disagree with the others? If that was the only interpretation then there would be no dissent as seen in Koris

So if there is more than one interpretation, why do you take choose the one that you do?

Because I have seen evidence from both sides and arrived at a conclusion.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They clearly do have disagreements. But they typically follow the results of their diplomatic process.
Clearly with the schism, they actually just split rather than the minority (whichever that was) going with the majority decision.

That was due to a programming error, not a conscious decision on their part.

How was it a programming error?
They just reached different conclusions, and chose to split.

because of an equation's result.

Yes. They got different answers. Where's your evidence that they got the equation wrong?

Do you know what we call different answers for the same equation? At least one of them is wrong.

X^2= 4
How many solutions are there?

This is an equation in the core programming.  It COULDN'T have more than one result.

Source?

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Crazy Quarians. They shot a bunch of robots with VIs, because they feared a rebellion.
Stupid Quarians. They lost to a bunch of VIs.

They underestimated them.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then why do some quarians disagree with the others? If that was the only interpretation then there would be no dissent as seen in Koris

So if there is more than one interpretation, why do you take choose the one that you do?

Because I have seen evidence from both sides and arrived at a conclusion.

And what evidence is there that your interpretation is the correct one?

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Crazy Quarians. They shot a bunch of robots with VIs, because they feared a rebellion.
Stupid Quarians. They lost to a bunch of VIs.

They underestimated them.

They underestimated the VIs? How?

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Source?

Basic computer programming.  That would result ina  glitch that would be catastrophic for the machine.

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Crazy Quarians. They shot a bunch of robots with VIs, because they feared a rebellion.
Stupid Quarians. They lost to a bunch of VIs.

They underestimated them.

They underestimated the VIs? How?

They thought they were VI's.  The geth were networked VIs that formed an AI.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Source?

Basic computer programming.  That would result ina  glitch that would be catastrophic for the machine.

How about a source for that being a difference in their core programming? And not say, different data being used in their equations?

[Solmanian]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Where are you getting that number 17 million? Isn't that the current number of quarians? I think originally there were much fewer left since they've slowly expanded and purchased more ships while still keeping their 300 year old ones, according to Tali.

Jeez, the geth almost wiped out an entire species and obviously killed non-combatants too. That's pretty ****ed up now that I think about it.

I'm pretty sure that the morning war involved nukes, and I'm not sure who started throwing them, but the quarians were definetly throwing their own, on all the planets; Tali says so in ME1. Yes, WMD's are indiscriminate, that why you avoid using them unless you're realy desperate, which the quarians and probably the geth were. It's not even clear how habitable the quarians worlds were by the end of that nuclear war. And 17 million is post war not present, though the quarians severely limit birth rate due to their unwillingness to colonize a planet and giving up on the homeworld.

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then why do some quarians disagree with the others? If that was the only interpretation then there would be no dissent as seen in Koris

So if there is more than one interpretation, why do you take choose the one that you do?

Because I have seen evidence from both sides and arrived at a conclusion.

And what evidence is there that your interpretation is the correct one?

conclusion, not interpretation.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Crazy Quarians. They shot a bunch of robots with VIs, because they feared a rebellion.
Stupid Quarians. They lost to a bunch of VIs.

They underestimated them.

They underestimated the VIs? How?

They thought they were VI's.  The geth were networked VIs that formed an AI.

They can't have. Synthetics don't evolve.

So how did the Quarians lose to a bunch of VIs?

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then why do some quarians disagree with the others? If that was the only interpretation then there would be no dissent as seen in Koris

So if there is more than one interpretation, why do you take choose the one that you do?

Because I have seen evidence from both sides and arrived at a conclusion.

And what evidence is there that your interpretation is the correct one?

conclusion, not interpretation.

Interpretation.

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Source?

Basic computer programming.  That would result ina  glitch that would be catastrophic for the machine.

How about a source for that being a difference in their core programming? And not say, different data being used in their equations?

Legion says so?  Did you miss that part?  They share data, and a mathematical error caused the heretics to form invalid conclusions.

"All viewpoints must be considered, even those that are incorrect"

Modifié par Steelcan, 05 décembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

Calinstel wrote...

Hate to say it but all these discussions are just so damned silly, I laughed.

Everyone needs to take their polarized 'cool' shades off and notice all the shades of grey in the geth/quarian conflict.
No side was right, and, no side was wrong.
A kneejerk reaction here, a too strong reaction there and soon all out war.
Peace is the only viable option for the two races to move forward. Wiping out one or the other when peace is available is, well, childish to me.

Pretty much why I would chose to let them be wiped out for not ceasing fire.
There was no justification for attack.

[Steelcan]

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Crazy Quarians. They shot a bunch of robots with VIs, because they feared a rebellion.
Stupid Quarians. They lost to a bunch of VIs.

They underestimated them.

They underestimated the VIs? How?

They thought they were VI's.  The geth were networked VIs that formed an AI.

They can't have. Synthetics don't evolve.

So how did the Quarians lose to a bunch of VIs?

That wasn't evolution.  They were designed to do that.

[KingZayd]

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Source?

Basic computer programming.  That would result ina  glitch that would be catastrophic for the machine.

How about a source for that being a difference in their core programming? And not say, different data being used in their equations?

Legion says so?  Did you miss that part?  They share data, and a mathematical error caused the heretics to form invalid conclusions.

"All viewpoints must be considered, even those that are incorrect"

That's typically what people who disagree on results say.