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[Maria Caliban]

Face of Evil wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

If you mean protection against diseases, that didn't happen until the invention of the rubber condom.

We've actually had variations of condoms since the 16th century. True story.

And those condoms protected against pregnancy, not disease.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:12 .

[Wulfram]

Face of Evil wrote...

I'm not sure why people worry about their characters suffering injury because of a lack of armour.
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People wear armour, therefore armour serves a purpose, therefore people not wearing armour are at a disadvantage.  It needs to make sense within the logic of the world.

The fact that other rogues such as Varric and (sometimes) Hawke also don't wear armour helps that.  But I'd still prefer it if armourless rogues were represented as having lower armour - and probably higher defence to compensate - to maintain the illusion that people aren't dressing up in ironmongery as a fashion statement.

Modifié par Wulfram, 04 décembre 2012 - 11:56 .

[The Hierophant]

Face of Evil wrote...

cJohnOne wrote...

So you're saying if you have a superhero they rest of the world can be unrealitic too?

Not what I said. My point is that decrying Isabella's outfit as "impractical protection" is just silly, because these characters can brush off wounds that cripple or kill normal humans like you or me.

But for the sake of argument, would you prefer to play in a fantasy world where you retire a hero the minute you take an arrow to the knee?

Nope, Jory was killed by one stab, the Warden was nearly killed by one arrow, Duncan was crippled by Cailan's corpse being tossed at him, Riordan died from a 50+ drop, Bethany/Carver were crushed to death, and the mooks that Tallis were fighting were oneshotted with a slash, and stab each.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:00 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Maria Caliban wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I never said not to say those things, but it would have been nice to have a comment about how she should probably use protection.

She does use protections. Hence the lack of Isabrats.

If you mean protection against diseases, that didn't happen until the invention of the rubber condom.

That would be a point, if it wasn't a totally made up world, also there was protection before the rubber condom, they used animal intestines, although there reliability was questionable. But some protection is better then none I suppose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom

[Face of Evil]

Wearing heavier armour does serve a purpose: it reduces damage. It is therefore advantageous for characters who are expected to take damage (ie. tanks) to wear heavy armour.

In our world, the purpose of armour in our real world is to prevent damage altogether, because we don't have hit points and major injuries can cripple or kill. That's why you don't see too many police officers wearing bullet-resistant vests. (Guaranteed to stop the first 50 per cent of the bullet!)

But DA is not set in our world. Isabela's outfit could probably consist of two nipple pasties and a thong, and she'd probably still survive more bullets than I would decked out in a bulletproof vest.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:16 .

[Face of Evil]

The Hierophant wrote...

Nope, Jory was killed by one stab, the Warden was nearly killed by one arrow, Duncan was crippled by Cailan's corpse being tossed at him, Riordan died from a 50+ drop, Bethany/Carver were crushed to death, and the mooks that Tallis were fighting were oneshotted with a slash, and stab each.

The Warden was actually shot with several arrows. Riordan was dropped off a flying dragon from several hundred feet up, after he singlehandedly fought through a city filled with darkspawn. Bethany and Carver were crushed to death by an ogre, and Duncan was crippled from an ogre's punch after spending at least an hour fighting the darkspawn.

But these deaths were all the result of the plot demanding it. We didn't need to see Duncan stab Jory five times when his death was assured already; it's just gratuitous and unnecessary.

[Maria Caliban]

DinoSteve wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I never said not to say those things, but it would have been nice to have a comment about how she should probably use protection.

She does use protections. Hence the lack of Isabrats.

If you mean protection against diseases, that didn't happen until the invention of the rubber condom.

That would be a point, if it wasn't a totally made up world, also there was protection before the rubber condom, they used animal intestines, although there reliability was questionable. But some protection is better then none I suppose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom

And those condoms protected against pregnancy, not disease.

[The Hierophant]

Maria Caliban wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I never said not to say those things, but it would have been nice to have a comment about how she should probably use protection.

She does use protections. Hence the lack of Isabrats.

If you mean protection against diseases, that didn't happen until the invention of the rubber condom.

That would be a point, if it wasn't a totally made up world, also there was protection before the rubber condom, they used animal intestines, although there reliability was questionable. But some protection is better then none I suppose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom

And those condoms protected against pregnancy, not disease.

Pul-lease... that's only liberal propoganda.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

No if you read it you will find that they were first experiments in trying to control disease not birth although controlling birth is the only thing they were good for, but still there where condoms before the rubber one.

But since Dragon Age is a totally made up universe I still don't see a problem. pfft Fable has no problem with condoms.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Harle Cerulean]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Here's what's ****ing brilliant about the Merrill mischaracterizations.

If we took all of her lines and gave them to a character who looked and sounded like me, nobody would be saying I was stupid or naive.

Nobody.

That depends what do you look like, no I joke, srsly no matter how good looking a girl is if she has a dislikeable personality how would you continue to date or be attracted to her. If I met a attractive girl with Merril's personality she would annoy the **** out of me, hell I wouldn't even want to date her because her personality is so childlike.

I'm a mid-20s white dude with a standard American accent and reasonably deep voice.

If I were to speak Merrill's lines I'd be called determined, arrogant, headstrong, dismissive, narrow-minded, foolhardy, optimistic...

But not stupid or naive.  There also sure as hell wouldn't be any "children" comments either.

If you said you were disappointed that you hadn't been mugged yet because it must be a greeting, yes, I would think you were stupid.

Just sayin'.  If someone knows what mugging is sufficiently to apply the word to it, but somehow thinks it's a greeting and wants to be 'greeted', they are not all there in the head.

It's probably just that Bioware tried too hard to play up the 'culture shock' angle, but lines like that left me with the impression that Merrill had been kicked in the head by a halla as a child.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:36 .

[Direwolf0294]

I think DA's generally good when it comes to female characters. There's room for change, but if they're going to change the way female characters are in the game it's only fair they do the same for males.

In terms of sexualisation, you get your bikini clad sex obsessed women like Morrigan and Isabela, but that's balanced out by characters like Leliana, Aveline and Merrill, and the male characters get sexualised quite a bit as well, only in different ways. In most forms of media sexualising a woman tends to focus on her body while sexualising a man tends to focus more on their personality, and in Dragon Age that's led to characters like Alistair, Zevran and Fenris. Then of course there's Varric, who's sexy in both personality and body, but for some crazy reason BioWare decided to not make romanceable. Going by that, the work female characters need is to make them less attractive physically while the work male characters need is to make them less attractive personality wise. That is of course is if your goal is too make the companions less sexually attractive and more realistic. If on the other hand you want to make the characters more sexually attractive, they'd have to give the female characters more sexually attractive personalities and make the male characters more sexually attractive physically, which, based on the likes of Morrigan and Isabela, as well as many, many females in video games, would translate into a shirtless dude wearing assless chaps.

[bloodmage13]

I have to agree with the OP. The quality of female characters is lacking in DA. The next game should have a female warrior that is interesting and a love interest. I would love a character similar to Andrea from Walking Dead.

[Face of Evil]

bloodmage13 wrote...

I would love a character similar to Andrea from Walking Dead.

The same Andrea who accidentally shot Daryl, cozied up to Shane, dumped Michonne in favour of living in Woodbury and who stuck by the Governor after finding his collection of severed heads? THAT Andrea?

And to think, people complain about Merrill being dumb.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 05 décembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[Direwolf0294]

bloodmage13 wrote...

I have to agree with the OP. The quality of female characters is lacking in DA. The next game should have a female warrior that is interesting and a love interest. I would love a character similar to Andrea from Walking Dead.

If we're adding Walking Dead characters to the game, I want a DA version of Carley and Molly. Not Lilly though, cause she's mean.

[Mark of the Dragon]

I kind of agree although I loved Isabela romance with Hawke and how it went from fun to real. Idealy I would like a female character who is soomewhat normal. I dont want a neive elf, a woman who sleeps with everything that moves, or an overlly religous bard (although I loved Leliana). I want someone who is more normal and level headed.
Also, for the love of God, PLEASE if you return to separate sexual identity for characters dont make the rogues the only bi characters. Seriously! I mean In Origins both Leliana and Zevran were bi and rogues. Second game all companions could be romanced by either sex but Isabela, a rogue, was obviously the open bisexual one. Lets try something new.

[paptschik]

I'm still wondering..aren't ALL DA characters pandering at least a little bit to peoples interests? I mean, Anders and especially Fenris seem about as much made for the female audience as Isabela seems for the male audience.
The writers want us to like the characters, so they go for tropes, visually and personality wise, that have proven themselves over time...and I don't see what's wrong with that. If you like the characters, be it for their personality, their look or in the best case, both...why would that ever be a bad thing? (and it's not like Merrill and Isabela aren't also hugely popular with women - my best friend, a lady, considers Isabela of all people her favorite character and she romanced Merrill with her Femhawke)

[Eber]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

If you said you were disappointed that you hadn't been mugged yet because it must be a greeting, yes, I would think you were stupid.

Just sayin'.  If someone knows what mugging is sufficiently to apply the word to it, but somehow thinks it's a greeting and wants to be 'greeted', they are not all there in the head.

It's probably just that Bioware tried too hard to play up the 'culture shock' angle, but lines like that left me with the impression that Merrill had been kicked in the head by a halla as a child.

You're sort of proving his point. If say Varric said "It must be the Alienage greeting" about a mugging you would not mistake it for a serious claim.

Being so horrified by muggings that she needs to make light of and joke about them does make Merrill a little naive but not nearly as naive as the naive interpretation of her words falsely make her out to be.

[NasreddinHodja]

bloodmage13 wrote...

I have to agree with the OP. The quality of female characters is lacking in DA. The next game should have a female warrior that is interesting and a love interest. I would love a character similar to Andrea from Walking Dead.

I think the quality of the female characters is comparable to that of the males ones.  There's room for improvement, sure, but in the context that they're characters, not female characters.

[Harle Cerulean]

Eber wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

If you said you were disappointed that you hadn't been mugged yet because it must be a greeting, yes, I would think you were stupid.

Just sayin'.  If someone knows what mugging is sufficiently to apply the word to it, but somehow thinks it's a greeting and wants to be 'greeted', they are not all there in the head.

It's probably just that Bioware tried too hard to play up the 'culture shock' angle, but lines like that left me with the impression that Merrill had been kicked in the head by a halla as a child.

You're sort of proving his point. If say Varric said "It must be the Alienage greeting" about a mugging you would not mistake it for a serious claim.

Being so horrified by muggings that she needs to make light of and joke about them does make Merrill a little naive but not nearly as naive as the naive interpretation of her words falsely make her out to be.

Trouble is, Merrill isn't joking.  She's not 'making light of it', she's serious.  I reiterate: if a man said the same thing, I would think he was stupid.  It has nothing to do with Merrill being female.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 05 décembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[tishyw]

DinoSteve wrote...

tbf all the character bar Varric were awful in DA2. Is it so much to ask for a well fleshed out character that isn't a moron and doesn't want to hump everything that moves.

I thought Aveline was okay as well, but yes, every romatic option character in DA2 was pretty average, both male and female.

In fact I thought the male romatic options were worse than the female options in DA2, an angry, broody, angst ridden elf, and a needy, broody, angst ridden mage.  At least Isabella played okay as a non-romance option, against all my preconceptions I quite liked her as a BFF for my straight Lady Hawke.

[Ninja Stan]

Not DA3 related.

End of line.