Nerfing the Accolyte was a step in the right direction. It's a ridiculous gun with an amazing damage modifier against shields/barriers, a damage nerf won't kill it.
As for Havoc Strike? It only "sucks" because people suck at using it right. It's not Biotic Charge, nor should it be used that way. There are plenty of guides on YT that show how the the Soldier can be effective. Specced properly, Havoc Strike has enough force to stagger everything in the game. How is this -bad-?
December 4th Multiplayer Balance Changes
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#227
Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 10:45
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KevWestBeats.com wrote...
Why is it every balance change usually involves nerfing great weapons. The acolyte was fine!
Actually, 80-90% of balance changes involve buffs. It's just whiners like yourself who like to pretend that all BW ever does is nerf things.
#228
Posté 10 décembre 2012 - 01:03
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RiouHotaru wrote...
As for Havoc Strike? It only "sucks" because people suck at using it right. It's not Biotic Charge, nor should it be used that way. There are plenty of guides on YT that show how the the Soldier can be effective. Specced properly, Havoc Strike has enough force to stagger everything in the game. How is this -bad-?
Because everyone everywhere uses the Havok because it r mazin, amirite?
Anyway, I think the actions were right, but the methods questionable. The Acolyte suffers more on power classes from the damage nerf; I think it should have gotten an ROF nerf. Valkyrie needs a much larger buff than it got. Saber is pretty much right all around, though. It needed a small buff.
Havok Strike's buff was just kinda backwards. I'll quote myself from the balance group discussion:
"I dislike the move to decrease the base cooldown. You can already dodge-cancel the cooldown if you care about that, which allows you to avoid injury more effectively in the first place. Furthermore, it makes the rank 4 even more useless than before. In general, I just don't think it was a beneficial move. At best, it makes the skill more of a raw DPS skill, which will never be a worthwhile route. It just feels like an odd choice given that the strength of the Havoc is power, not durability.
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With the nerf to stimpacks, the Havoc needs more than ever to be a heavy hitter. He can never be a sustained guy. The need for grenade kits to sustain aggression in every case prevents that. That's why the skill should be re-tuned away from low-cooldown-low-damage."
MrScottBear wrote...
I don't get it.
Why not buff the Force on Havoc Strike? it's already a vastly inferior Biocharge, why not make it at least able to stagger reliably?
HS can meet the 1000N threshold for gold/plat Phantom stagger in two ways: max power damage with class skill with rank 4 force and damage in Havok Strike will let you stagger up to 3 Phantoms (1050N force over 3m, max of 3 targets). If you want a more weapon-focused build, taking force and damage at rank 6 will let you stagger the direct target of your Jetpack Charge (1020N to one target).
#229
Posté 10 décembre 2012 - 01:10
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Krysae. that is allAtheosis wrote...
KevWestBeats.com wrote...
Why is it every balance change usually involves nerfing great weapons. The acolyte was fine!
Actually, 80-90% of balance changes involve buffs. It's just whiners like yourself who like to pretend that all BW ever does is nerf things.
#231
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 05:41
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Waiting for the ones to be released for today scrubs ....
#234
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:44
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Storm-Reaver wrote...
eric pls. wer r u?
jiggli bals, jiggli bals, jiggl al teh way, let mi ****** insied ur mouth and gooby pls al day, HAY!
#235
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:45
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Taken down, hopefully the mew one is up soon.
#237
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:45
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eric pls. wer r u?
Yes?
#239
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:47
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Eric Fagnan wrote...
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eric pls. wer r u?
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Hahaha. good one. cheers.
#240
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:48
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Must... stay... at.. the top... must... remain on...top...NNNG!!
#243
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:48
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Ubergrog wrote...
HELP! HELP! I HAVE BEEN UNPINNED!
I do hope that the Marksman will get buffed. That would make my day.
This thread is now the Titanic.
*flys away in a shuttle*
Modifié par OperatingWookie, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:49 .
#245
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:51
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Eric Fagnan wrote...
Storm-Reaver wrote...
eric pls. wer r u?
Yes?
:lol:
#246
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:53
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Eric Fagnan wrote...
Storm-Reaver wrote...
eric pls. wer r u?
Yes?
#247
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:53
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That's awesome. Who knows what else he bothered to look at.born2beagator wrote...
Eric Fagnan wrote...
Storm-Reaver wrote...
eric pls. wer r u?
Yes?
#249
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:57
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Gamemako wrote...
HS can meet the 1000N threshold for gold/plat Phantom stagger in two ways: max power damage with class skill with rank 4 force and damage in Havok Strike will let you stagger up to 3 Phantoms (1050N force over 3m, max of 3 targets). If you want a more weapon-focused build, taking force and damage at rank 6 will let you stagger the direct target of your Jetpack Charge (1020N to one target).
You can actually hit 1350 if you max the damage/force upgrades and go with Damage/force upgrades in the class passive. It's overkill, but yeah.
#250
Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 09:00
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I bet you thought this bump was actually the new balance changes being posted.
Modifié par Savage Baird, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:00 .
