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Feneckus wrote...

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It's like trying to argue that the Human Soldier is OP because he can drop 2 mooks in a second with Claymore --> AR --> Claymore, WITH a 70% damage boost on the second shot.

That drops Atlases just as fast as any GI.


Please, show me a Human Soldier who can do this :


I'm waiting :whistle:


Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.

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RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Don't blame Infiltrators. Blame the crappy all knowing enemies who mostly don't give a **** about cloaks utility. Cloak shouldn't give any damage or a very minor one. It should be pure utility. But psychic enemies, smallish maps require DPS and DPS only.


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Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?

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Annomander wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's like trying to argue that the Human Soldier is OP because he can drop 2 mooks in a second with Claymore --> AR --> Claymore, WITH a 70% damage boost on the second shot.

That drops Atlases just as fast as any GI.


Please, show me a Human Soldier who can do this :


I'm waiting :whistle:


Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.

 

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Well, now we know what topic brings out the worst in people. I have never seen the top players and forumites fighting among each other this much before.


Well, this is a fight that's existed since launch day. To this day the Infiltrators are the first class to get a nerf applied on to all of it's characters. Yet people still ask for more. Really, giving a character that has the Tac Cloak power Stim Packs was not a very sound move. It's pretty much giving a character the best damage output and the best survivability. No bueno. That one character on that one class is what makes it bad. The GI is debateable since it has really low health and shields.


And even then he still has amazing survivability due to TC and Hunter Mode. Health/Shields numbers do not tell the whole story.


Sorry, I don't play Geth much. But how does hunter mode & tactical cloak increase your survivability? 


Tactical Cloak allows to bypass enemies without being shot at and/or hit, be it simply to change your position or revive a teammate. Hunter Mode allows you to see through walls. Play your cards right and you'll hardly ever be flanked because you'll know the exact position of any and every enemy who closes in on you before they actually do it.

Higher health/shield numbers certainly help, but quite frankly, I'd rather play a 6/6/6/6/0 GI than a, say, 6/6/0(stickies)/6/6 Human Infiltrator based on survivability. Damage output too, but that's not really relevant to what you and I are talking about.

Modifié par Lathrim, 05 décembre 2012 - 02:32 .


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Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?


she has a good chest to ass ratio?

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Air Quotes wrote...

Don't blame Infiltrators. Blame the crappy all knowing enemies who mostly don't give a **** about cloaks utility. Cloak shouldn't give any damage or a very minor one. It should be pure utility. But psychic enemies, smallish maps require DPS and DPS only.

I have been thinking the same for awhile, make the cloak better for being invisible lower the bonus dam to approx 15% then un-nerf hunter mode and stim packs the piranha and bring the krysae to somewhere between now and when it was originally released

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What do you expect. When they nerf everything into the ground and do slight buffs to horribly underpowered kits, the only viable option to be successful is to use an Infiltrator. So yeah I feel your pain.

It never fails when I start a thread asking how best to use a certain garbage weapon.. I'm always told to use an infiltrator. All I want to know is why are all the weapons in this game balanced around Infiltrators?

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Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?


She has tactical cloak.

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's like trying to argue that the Human Soldier is OP because he can drop 2 mooks in a second with Claymore --> AR --> Claymore, WITH a 70% damage boost on the second shot.

That drops Atlases just as fast as any GI.


Please, show me a Human Soldier who can do this :


I'm waiting :whistle:

 

I thought you used the Claymore HS often? 

If you do you don't need me to show you. 


By the time a Claymore HS drops an Atlas' shields, a Javelin GI can kill two of them.

Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?


Pretty simple.


80% damage bonus
Doesn't give a f'ck about cooldowns
Invisibility

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Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?


She has tactical cloak.

 

I think a tactical cloak stole your high-school sweetheart.

Only explanation for such hatred.

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hudder92 wrote...

What do you expect. When they nerf everything into the ground and do slight buffs to horribly underpowered kits, the only viable option to be successful is to use an Infiltrator. So yeah I feel your pain.

It never fails when I start a thread asking how best to use a certain garbage weapon.. I'm always told to use an infiltrator. All I want to know is why are all the weapons in this game balanced around Infiltrators?


They're not.

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You know what I'm sick of reading this thread?

Posting extreme ends of the spectrum and using those examples as some kind of illustration of the norm.

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I think the idea behind this thread is to get Bioware to do something about infiltrators?

Yeah, they are overpowered, but for most people, they are also really, really fun to play.

If you blow this class up, you take out the fun factor for many, leading to a not-so-small exodus by casuals and maybe even by some elites here as well.

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Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's like trying to argue that the Human Soldier is OP because he can drop 2 mooks in a second with Claymore --> AR --> Claymore, WITH a 70% damage boost on the second shot.

That drops Atlases just as fast as any GI.


Please, show me a Human Soldier who can do this :


I'm waiting :whistle:

 

I thought you used the Claymore HS often? 

If you do you don't need me to show you. 


By the time a Claymore HS drops an Atlas' shields, a Javelin GI can kill two of them.

 

www.youtube.com/watch

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's like trying to argue that the Human Soldier is OP because he can drop 2 mooks in a second with Claymore --> AR --> Claymore, WITH a 70% damage boost on the second shot.

That drops Atlases just as fast as any GI.


Please, show me a Human Soldier who can do this :


I'm waiting :whistle:

 

I thought you used the Claymore HS often? 

If you do you don't need me to show you. 


By the time a Claymore HS drops an Atlas' shields, a Javelin GI can kill two of them.

 

www.youtube.com/watch


I love how you mock instead of attempting to prove your point.

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I still don't understand why there is a weapon damage bonus to cloak anyway. They're better soldiers than Soldiers are.

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Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?


She has tactical cloak.


How are Soldiers with Adrenaline Rush not overpowed then? Their ability does just 10% less damage and they can use automatic weapons with it. Answer me that.

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Lathrim wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's like trying to argue that the Human Soldier is OP because he can drop 2 mooks in a second with Claymore --> AR --> Claymore, WITH a 70% damage boost on the second shot.

That drops Atlases just as fast as any GI.


Please, show me a Human Soldier who can do this :


I'm waiting :whistle:

 

I thought you used the Claymore HS often? 

If you do you don't need me to show you. 


By the time a Claymore HS drops an Atlas' shields, a Javelin GI can kill two of them.

 

www.youtube.com/watch


I love how you mock instead of attempting to prove your point.

 

I'm friends with Feneckus. He knows what he said is hyperbole. I wasn't going to get into a silly argument over an off-hand comment he didn't even mean seriously. ;)

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?


She has tactical cloak.


How are Soldiers with Adrenaline Rush not overpowed then? Their ability does just 10% less damage and they can use automatic weapons with it. Answer me that.


Adrenaline Rush doesn't allow you to bypass enemies harmlessly at the same time.

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Meistr_Chef wrote...

You know what I'm sick of reading this thread?

Posting extreme ends of the spectrum and using those examples as some kind of illustration of the norm.


Well, where I come from, and the people i play with, they're not a bunch of idiots who can't play properly.

I have the delight of being able to call most of my friends list good, or better, players.

You can't balance something around the people who can't play properly. It doesn't work like that.

"Oh, the GI isn't too powerful, because not everyone can play like feneckus" is no argument.

And there's the ghost. Any moron can play the ghost.

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Feneckus wrote...

Pretty simple.


80% damage bonus
Doesn't give a f'ck about cooldowns
Invisibility


and how does this make her a better Soldier than the Human Soldier, Turian Soldier, or N7 Destroyer?

All of which I might add, give as much of a f*** about cooldowns as the Infiltrators do.

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Lathrim wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?


She has tactical cloak.


How are Soldiers with Adrenaline Rush not overpowed then? Their ability does just 10% less damage and they can use automatic weapons with it. Answer me that.


Adrenaline Rush doesn't allow you to bypass enemies harmlessly at the same time.

 

Neither does TC.

Are we playing different games?

Tactical Cloak Damage Boost does bugger all when it comes to making enemies not shoot you.

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Annomander wrote...

Meistr_Chef wrote...

You know what I'm sick of reading this thread?

Posting extreme ends of the spectrum and using those examples as some kind of illustration of the norm.


Well, where I come from, and the people i play with, they're not a bunch of idiots who can't play properly.

I have the delight of being able to call most of my friends list good, or better, players.

You can't balance something around the people who can't play properly. It doesn't work like that.

"Oh, the GI isn't too powerful, because not everyone can play like feneckus" is no argument.

And there's the ghost. Any moron can play the ghost.


Provide me some statistics and data on what constitutes people who "can't play properly" and those who "can play properly". Also tell me if there's a continuum between that. Then maybe I'll start paying attention.

Modifié par Meistr_Chef, 05 décembre 2012 - 02:41 .


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Lathrim wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Show me a krogan that can do that too.

The only tactical cloak in game that is balanced right now is the volus cloak.


Care to explain to me how the Quarian Female Infiltrator is not balanced?


She has tactical cloak.


How are Soldiers with Adrenaline Rush not overpowed then? Their ability does just 10% less damage and they can use automatic weapons with it. Answer me that.


Adrenaline Rush doesn't allow you to bypass enemies harmlessly at the same time.


They get a shield boost to make up for that lack of utility though.