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[Binary_Helix 1]

Slayer299 wrote...

@KiwiQuiche - My first thought when seeing Ash in 3 was why did you goto Joan Rivers plastic surgeon?

I'm just not seeing the big deal. The era of Mario is over. Nearly all male video game protagonists are practically male models nowadays. Hell bro Shep actually is one. I've noticed female gamers have a bigger issue with sexualizing characters and yet when it comes to eye candy they enjoy it's just assumed to be ok. I'm not singling you out here just something I've noticed.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 05 décembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[nos_astra]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
I'm just not seeing the big deal. The era of Mario is over. Nearly all male video game protagonists are practically male models nowadays. Hell bro Shep actually is one. I've noticed female gamers have a bigger issue with sexualizing characters and yet when it comes to eye candy they enjoy it's just assumed to be ok. I'm not singling you out here just something I've noticed.

Male video game characters are designed to appeal to the male audience: Muscles also mean physical strength. Height is usually an advantage. It's not just eye candy.
What purpose do make-up, high-heels, a cat-suit, bigger boobs and hair that falls in your eyes serve? Eye-candy only. Not helping in a fight, in a war.

Sexualizing male characters goes hand in hand with making them seem strong and capable.
Sexualizing female characters usually comes at the expense of looking strong and capable. That doesn't mean a female marine can't be sexy. She just wouldn't feel the need to emphasize this in combat. A ponytail or a bun are practical, as are combat boots. But applying make-up takes extra time. It also smears when you're sweating. Why would you do things that give you a disadvantage?
See the difference? <_<

Modifié par klarabella, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:36 .

[fainmaca]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I want her alive the next time I play through My WHOLE Canon again (when I switch to play the Trilogy on the PS3). What do I have to do in order to make sure that she is NOT Flagged as Romanced?

Here's what you're looking for.

Basically, when she questions you allowing aliens on the ship, tell her 'You're out of line!'

[fainmaca]

And no, ME3 Ashley is not an improvement. It was a juvenile design choice to appeal to the... less sophisticated crowd that Bioware wants their target audience to be nowadays. (**cough** COD**cough**) Same design choice that gave EDI a pair of big ol' headlights on full beam and tried to conventionalise Jack's appearance. In fact, aside from Tali, who held onto that shy-girl innocence vibe from ME2, I can't think of a single woman in the final game who wasn't sexualised up the wazoo.

Wait, that sounded wrong...

[AshenShug4r]

She looked the worst in ME3.

[fchopin]

Yes Ashley went from a strong beautiful independent woman in to a nothing person both in mind and looks.

[Binary_Helix 1]

klarabella wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
I'm just not seeing the big deal. The era of Mario is over. Nearly all male video game protagonists are practically male models nowadays. Hell bro Shep actually is one. I've noticed female gamers have a bigger issue with sexualizing characters and yet when it comes to eye candy they enjoy it's just assumed to be ok. I'm not singling you out here just something I've noticed.

Male video game characters are designed to appeal to the male audience: Muscles also mean physical strength. Height is usually an advantage. It's not just eye candy.
What purpose do make-up, high-heels, a cat-suit, bigger boobs and hair that falls in your eyes serve? Eye-candy only. Not helping in a fight, in a war.

Sexualizing male characters goes hand in hand with making them seem strong and capable.
Sexualizing female characters usually comes at the expense of looking strong and capable. That doesn't mean a female marine can't be sexy. She just wouldn't feel the need to emphasize this in combat. A ponytail or a bun are practical, as are combat boots. But applying make-up takes extra time. It also smears when you're sweating. Why would you do things that give you a disadvantage?
See the difference? <_<

How is any of that a bad thing though? It's a stylistic preference yes but ME was a sexualized series from the start.

If an all female bisexual race didn't bother you why does this? Ashley was tomboyish but that never excluded sex appeal.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 05 décembre 2012 - 11:10 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ashley's new look is not better in the slightest.

iakus wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The only reason for this was so Ashley could compete with Miranda. No one is going to stick with Ashley from ME1 when compared to Miranda.

Its just simple biology

1 , No, not "everyone"  Ash's ME! look was great, hot without being oversexualized.  Perfect for a dedicated marine.

2 I see the Ash hate is out in force again.

Mr.House wrote...

No, what they did to Ash was horrible, she's hardly recognizable anymore. At least with Kaidan I knew it was him right away, all they did was improve his face and hair. Ash was a complete redesign to make her "sexy". Said right in the dam art book. I miss ME Ash.

Basically this. The horrible Ash redesign is one of the things I disliked the most about ME3 (yes, including the autodialogue, the endings, the Galactic Cerberus Empire etc...). I will never understand the decision to put her into her ridiculous cosplay outfit or the people defending it. And the hair. And what they did to her face...

[M Hedonist]

Hahaha.
Wait, you serious?

[Mydknightcloud]

All I did was put the alternate armor on her, and I was fine with the way she looked.

I was nice to see Ash a little sexed up while on the Normandy. My biggest problem was her lack of dialogue all through out the game.

I would have loved the same personal moments you had with Liara. Her having a deep conversation about what is happening and sitting on your lap.

It seems a lot of attention was given to Liara and not nearly enough to Ash as far as deepening her inward appearance.

Modifié par Mydknightcloud, 05 décembre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Islandrockzor]

Mydknightcloud wrote...

All I did was put the alternate armor on her, and I was fine with the way she looked.

I was nice to see Ash a little sexed up while on the Normandy. My biggest problem was her lack of dialogue all through out the game.

I would have loved the same personal moments you had with Liara. Her having a deep conversation about what is happening and sitting on your lap.

It seems a lot of attention was given to Liara and not nearly enough to Ash as far as deepening her inward appearance.

But then again, Liara got the worst of ME1, most of her conversations being "Asari 101", where Ash got fleshed out as a slightly unlikable, but well written character (unlikable in the meaning that her distrust of aliens alienated a lot of people, even if it from the character's point of view made sense and enriched the character).

[Ozzy]

If only the same could be said of her personality.

Aside from the little boob window, the concept art for her is great. 

Modifié par AstusOz, 05 décembre 2012 - 11:53 .

[nos_astra]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
How is any of that a bad thing though? It's a stylistic preference yes but ME was a sexualized series from the start. 

If an all female bisexual race didn't bother you why does this? Ashley was tomboyish but that never excluded sex appeal.

Believe me, a lot of the romance stuff bothers me. And lots of it has to do with thoughtlessness and looking for teh sexeh.

It's a bad thing because it weakens Ashley as a character for many. She somehow now makes decisions that don't seem smart. No woman who takes her job seriously would risk failure only to appear prettier (by wearing that outift in-combat as a default). Unfortunate implications for those who care about her character and think she was attractive enough before prettying her up.

Modifié par klarabella, 05 décembre 2012 - 11:59 .

[Steelcan]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
]Shepard is above liutenant Commander, otherwise Kaidan and he would be the same rank in ME1, they aren't Commnder Shepard is the XO, then Pressly
And Sanctuary worked.  it did exactly what it was supposed to, find a way to control the reapers.

You've gotta be trolling me at this point. Shepard is a Lt. Commander. If you wanna continue arguing, i suggest you google first and/or try asking other people on the BSN.
There are two types of Commanders. Staff Commander and. Lt. Commander, which comes after Staff.

And if you think Sanctuary was justified then i have no words for you.

. On the wiki it showed that Staff Commande was higher than Liutenant Commander.  Furthermore all lieutenant commanders in game are refereed to as such, both Kaidan and Ashley are called Lietuentant commander, Shepard is only called commander, therefore he is not a Liutenant commander.

and I'm saying Sanctuary wasn't evil, it was a horrible place, but it also succeded in delivering the single most damaging weapon against the reapers, the ability to control them.

im not a troll

[Steelcan]

Fawx9 wrote...

So religion is fine as long as it isn't monotheism?

I don't even know what to do with this.

You do realise that both the Asari's and Salarian's religions have concept of spirtual energy the same way that most of Humanities monotheistic religions do right? The only difference is that there is a creator in the later.

. And the concept of spiritual energy is just as ridiculous as monotheism, or polytheism, or just theism in general.

[Doctoglethorpe]

She looked fantastic in ME2.  She looked like a jersey prostitute in ME3. 

The logic behind it seemed to be "How can we take this refreshingly normal looking woman who appears strong and intelligent and make her more like a sexed up hollywood harlot?"

Thats all I have to say about that. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Nightwriter]

Well, if you just look at the picture in the OP, yeah, it's not a bad change. Headshots only. You see they just let her hair down and gave her lip gloss. Other changes are too subtle to really notice.

It's when the camera pans down farther that the objections start bubbling forth.

[JBPBRC]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

One of the few things that ME3 did right was to give each VS a makeover but Ashley's generated the most discussion.

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Just going off of this trio of photos, I'd say ME2 Ashley looks the best.

Not that ME3 Ashley could ever hope to compete against ME1 or ME2 regardless of the photo, but still.

[Hey]

My only issue with Ashley is she just sits there in her room giving one liners. At least let me prove to her it's me through awesome dialog or horse shoes - some ****...

[xAmilli0n]

LOL, sorry OP, totally disagree. She looked best in ME2. In ME3 she was sexed up for the sake of replacing Miranda. Unsuccessfully.

[darkiddd]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Are you kidding me? On top of looking almost nothing like before, she looks like she went in for about a dozen plastic surgeries... Bad ones. She's one of the most ugliest females in the ME series in ME3. She reminds me of Michael Jackson after his surgeries. Conversely, she looks really good in ME2, by the OP's own image.

On the contrary Ashley now looks like one of the hottest babes in ME. Her old look was just too frumpy and outdated.

Her ME2 appearance was probably the highlight of her retro look but given the direction ME was going she needed change.

As for your grotesque and trollish Michael Jackson comment well let''s not open that nasty can of worms you're dangling.

I loved Ashley's looks in ME1 and 2 but there's something ankward with her jaw and even her skin color in 3. She was a strong military woman who wasn't at all concerned in her looks and in 3 she is completely the opposite. And the hair too just doesn't suit her. 

[Steelcan]

xAmilli0n wrote...

LOL, sorry OP, totally disagree. She looked best in ME2. In ME3 she was sexed up for the sake of replacing Miranda. Unsuccessfully.

. I like this human, he understands:wizard:

[JBPBRC]

darkiddd wrote...


I loved Ashley's looks in ME1 and 2 but there's something ankward with her jaw and even her skin color in 3. She was a strong military woman who wasn't at all concerned in her looks and in 3 she is completely the opposite. And the hair too just doesn't suit her. 

The bolded part especially bothered me in ME3. And not just for Ashley either. Damn near every human in ME3 looked different in some way from previous games, with a few exceptions.

[darkiddd]

xAmilli0n wrote...

LOL, sorry OP, totally disagree. She looked best in ME2. In ME3 she was sexed up for the sake of replacing Miranda. Unsuccessfully.

Pretty much this. Ashley's appeal was never her looks. She looked fine but her true appeal was her personality. When Bioware tried to sexed her they killed a lot of her presence and she doesn't even look hot to me.

[Mathias]

Steelcan wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
]Shepard is above liutenant Commander, otherwise Kaidan and he would be the same rank in ME1, they aren't Commnder Shepard is the XO, then Pressly
And Sanctuary worked.  it did exactly what it was supposed to, find a way to control the reapers.

You've gotta be trolling me at this point. Shepard is a Lt. Commander. If you wanna continue arguing, i suggest you google first and/or try asking other people on the BSN.
There are two types of Commanders. Staff Commander and. Lt. Commander, which comes after Staff.

And if you think Sanctuary was justified then i have no words for you.

. On the wiki it showed that Staff Commande was higher than Liutenant Commander.  Furthermore all lieutenant commanders in game are refereed to as such, both Kaidan and Ashley are called Lietuentant commander, Shepard is only called commander, therefore he is not a Liutenant commander.

and I'm saying Sanctuary wasn't evil, it was a horrible place, but it also succeded in delivering the single most damaging weapon against the reapers, the ability to control them.

im not a troll

He is a Lt. Commander. I'm going all out here to prove it to you:

http://social.biowar...5/index/3173672
http://www.gamefaqs....fect-2/53343187
http://social.biowar...index/2471585/1
http://www.gamespot....ander-42652512/
http://masseffect.wi...mmander_Shepard
http://social.biowar...index/7647963/1

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 05 décembre 2012 - 07:07 .