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[Ridwan]

TheProtheans wrote...

EA's profits from ME3 will surely drop significantly from bribing all these media outlets.

Would be interesting to see how much of a profit they made for ME 3.

Remember folks, ME 3 made over $200 million, but it doesn't say how much of this is the profit.

[Chewin]

M25105 wrote...

People that trust these reviewers and buy the games full price and then feel like "It's a good game, but it wasn't that good". Not everyone browses forums.

I'm talking about games earning GOTYs, not about gaming journalism portraying itself as a rambling inanity.

[Mcfly616]

M25105 wrote...

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Cutlass Jack wrote...

Oh no! Someone liked something I didn't! That's clearly impossible, so they must have been paid off.

Oh no. Somebody doesn't understand that a reviewer's job is to recommend games based on their quality and that Mass Effect 3 is a 7-8/10 game at the very best, but instead tries to recommend it to consumers as one of the best video game experiences ever, including even lying in the first sentence. Not to mention ignoring that other games that consumers disliked also got 10/10 and all that.

7-8? Well, that's your "opinion".....and nothing more. Too bad you're not a professional videogame journalist, I guess.

Besides, it wasn't just GI that gave it a high score. Every other major publication did.


And please, don't act like you speak for the majority of consumers. I know its hard to accept, but the popular opinion on the BSN and the popular opinion of the gaming community, are not one in the same.

It's the opinion of anyone who doesn't gush over heads and heels and look at the game critically on where it does good and where it does bad. I forgot that in todays "all major games must have 9-10/10" that 7 is seen as a bad score. It's also funny that you use the word professional, they're not. If they were then they would be incompetent. Tell me why for example ME 3 deserved 10/10 or MSG 4, or GTA IV.

Are you guys so much in love with stories, that you're willing to ignore the faults of a game?

lol well, they are indeed professionals. It's their profession. It's what they do for a living. It's okay you can't admit that fact. But that's exactly what it is. A fact.

Funny, you're still trying to dictate who's opinions are what...

And being a long time fan of the GTA series, I can honestly say that I can't stand GTAIV. And I think MGS4 is one of the most overrated games of the last decade(the entire series is imo).....but you know, those are just my own "opinions", and I surely don't think to myself: "whoever thinks those games are good, are just idiots and are completely wrong"

Where did I call you an idiot?

ME 3, suffers from a crappy journal system, drop in listening quests, day one DLC that's on the disk, glitches and a dream sequence that can't be skipped (very annoying for replay value), and a very anti climactic final mission, to name some of the things. That alone doesn't make it game of the year. A game like that (game of the year) has to have to solid controls, a good interface, polished up (so we don't see weird sprites, or Liara with head that comes out from the Exorcist) and have more missions than "Lol, here's that thing you wanted" and most of all replay value.

A beautiful thing about Metacritic is that it includes userreviews. That means amongst the fanboys, who will give whatever game a dev craps out 10/10 and the haters that gives 1/10 you'll have the honest bunch who actually REVIEWS the game. And from my own experience and judging by how often I've replayed it, ME 3 is at best 8/10 and at worst 7/10. Remember 7 is a good score. So a reviewer, who should know better (yet when it comes to big AAA titles, they seem to forget their critical thinking back home in a closet) to give it a game of the year recommendation, while ignorings it's flaw is innocently stupid at best and at worst, a sign of money under table. Considering the rumours and in times even evidence that's been about, it's safe to say that most reviewers are paid off.

Let me finish off by asking you something, if your website would only get early access to a game by promising the publishers to give the game nothing under 8/10, flew you to Hawaii in a super expensive hotel and had you try the game there, before flying you back all expenses paid. Would you rather be good friends with them and keep making sure that their games get a high score, so you'll keep getting earlier access to their stuff (thus helping traffic for your site) or be honest and always be late with everything, since publishers won't have you in good standing?

I judge a game on its overall content. The entire package. Characters, story, music, gameplay, controls, replayability.

Flaws are notable, but I don't look at the sum of them and decide if its GOTY material. I'm not a fan of the journal system either....but I'm not going to lie to myself and say it ruins the game. At most, it's a minor annoyance. Same with pop-in glitches during certain cutscenes. Annoying, but certainly nowhere near "game breaking". Day 1 DLC? Well, just because its a shady business practice, doesn't make the game any worse....it can make it better though.

Speaking of game-breaking glitches, pop-ins and a mediocre journal system.....Skyrim had all of these things. Yet, it was nearly unanimously praised as 2011's GOTY.

Regarding metacritics user reviews.....well, what can I say? Just as the majority of people who enjoy a game, will just keep playing it, never taking the time to get online and discuss it, the people who hated it will be the most vocal(as seen here on the BSN). After seeing user reviews after MW3 was released, and the abysmal scores it was getting....I'd say hell hath no fury like a gamer scorned. (I'm not a CoD fan, and even though I found the user scores quite amusing, the scores were very telling of the motives of the reviewer.)

[Someone With Mass]

M25105 wrote...

Would be interesting to see how much of a profit they made for ME 3.

Remember folks, ME 3 made over $200 million, but it doesn't say how much of this is the profit.

That's not much, given how much it takes to make these kind of games.

The license for the Unreal Engine alone costs almost half a million.

[TheProtheans]

But really we all knew they were corrupt back 8 months ago when they gave out them paid for reviews with really high scores.
Not sure why we would expect better now.


And to be honest I don't care about this "editor's pick".
There is only one GOTY that matters in all this irrelevant sea of picks and Mass effect 3 won't win it.

[Mcfly616]

TheProtheans wrote...

But really we all knew they were corrupt back 8 months ago when they gave out them paid for reviews with really high scores.
Not sure why we would expect better now.


And to be honest I don't care about this "editor's pick".
There is only one GOTY that matters in all this irrelevant sea of picks and Mass effect 3 won't win it.

it is not an individual editors pick. It received the most 1st place votes by all the editors at GI. Therefore it is GI's GOTY.

"There is only one GOTY that matters...."? Which one would that be?

[TheProtheans]

Mcfly616 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

But really we all knew they were corrupt back 8 months ago when they gave out them paid for reviews with really high scores.
Not sure why we would expect better now.


And to be honest I don't care about this "editor's pick".
There is only one GOTY that matters in all this irrelevant sea of picks and Mass effect 3 won't win it.

it is not an individual editors pick. It received the most 1st place votes by all the editors at GI. Therefore it is GI's GOTY.

"There is only one GOTY that matters...."? Which one would that be?

This "editor's pick".
You will find out soon enough.

[Mcfly616]

TheProtheans wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

But really we all knew they were corrupt back 8 months ago when they gave out them paid for reviews with really high scores.
Not sure why we would expect better now.


And to be honest I don't care about this "editor's pick".
There is only one GOTY that matters in all this irrelevant sea of picks and Mass effect 3 won't win it.

it is not an individual editors pick. It received the most 1st place votes by all the editors at GI. Therefore it is GI's GOTY.

"There is only one GOTY that matters...."? Which one would that be?

This "editor's pick".
You will find out soon enough.

Riiiight.....umm....okay?

[TheProtheans]

Mcfly616 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

But really we all knew they were corrupt back 8 months ago when they gave out them paid for reviews with really high scores.
Not sure why we would expect better now.


And to be honest I don't care about this "editor's pick".
There is only one GOTY that matters in all this irrelevant sea of picks and Mass effect 3 won't win it.

it is not an individual editors pick. It received the most 1st place votes by all the editors at GI. Therefore it is GI's GOTY.

"There is only one GOTY that matters...."? Which one would that be?

This "editor's pick".
You will find out soon enough.

Riiiight.....umm....okay?

And it's the editor's pick.
Some people, eh?

Modifié par TheProtheans, 05 décembre 2012 - 10:34 .

[Ridwan]

Someone With Mass wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Would be interesting to see how much of a profit they made for ME 3.

Remember folks, ME 3 made over $200 million, but it doesn't say how much of this is the profit.

That's not much, given how much it takes to make these kind of games.

The license for the Unreal Engine alone costs almost half a million.

Then there's marketing. I live in Sønderborg a city in Denmark with around 30000+ citizens and even there I saw ME 3 on bus stops. That's some serious cash invested if even a small city in Denmark gets visual hardware advertisements.

[Gtox69]

john_sheparrd wrote...

**** the whiners !! Congrats Bioware
Mass effect 3 was one of the best games I ever played!

Agree 100%.  It wasn't perfect, but as a gaming experience raised the bar siginificantly.  ME1 and ME2 were both excellent, but I prefer ME3 because, for me, the quality of the visuals (I don't just mean in terms of improved texture resolution, but the beauty/visual appeal of the various locations - Sur'kesh, Tuchanka, most of the N7 missions, Thessia, Rannoch, and a few others), combined with the intensity of the plot, made for a much more immersive, emotive and enjoyable experience.  Which is why I play computer games in the first place.

[JPN17]

Says a lot more about the quality of the rest of the games released this year than it does about ME3.

[ManOfSteel]

All aboard the hate train.

Happy to see Mass Effect 3 get GOTY. Well deserved, IMO. I couldn't care less what people think of the game. I liked it and that's what matters.

[Mcfly616]

Gtox69 wrote...

john_sheparrd wrote...

**** the whiners !! Congrats Bioware
Mass effect 3 was one of the best games I ever played!

Agree 100%.  It wasn't perfect, but as a gaming experience raised the bar siginificantly.  ME1 and ME2 were both excellent, but I prefer ME3 because, for me, the quality of the visuals (I don't just mean in terms of improved texture resolution, but the beauty/visual appeal of the various locations - Sur'kesh, Tuchanka, most of the N7 missions, Thessia, Rannoch, and a few others), combined with the intensity of the plot, made for a much more immersive, emotive and enjoyable experience.  Which is why I play computer games in the first place.

I have to agree. It has its faults just like any game. But damn it, the emotional impact is unmatched by any game I've played. And I've played a lot of games in the past 25 years....

I know its not one of the stand out parts of the game.....but I'm going on my 12th playthrough of ME3, and I swear I still get the shivers and tense up during the final farewells on Earth.

[ManOfSteel]

J. Reezy wrote...

Gtox69 wrote...
It wasn't perfect, but as a gaming experience raised the bar siginificantly. 

I find that hard to take seriously.

It's his/her opinion. What difference does it make to you?

[Mazebook]

well deserved.

[Little Princess Peach]

IS it because of the endings? is this just a joke?

[Someone With Mass]

While ME3 had some few good moments, I'd say that The Walking Dead deserves GOTY more when it comes to legit emotions alone, since in ME3, they were either forced like hell or more than likely unintentional.

Not to mention that the people in that game acted (more or less) like actual human beings, where in ME3, I just wanted to punch the soul out of some people for being so irredeemably stupid.

[TNT1991]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

Huh, okay. Cool.

Moving on.

This. 

FaWa wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Femlob wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Skyrim was last year's highest rated champ. Skyrim is a 96. Cod mw3 is an 88. It only sold the most, not scored the most.

Let's remain honest here: Skyrim got a 96, and COD MW3 got an 88. Neither were worth the score.

Skyrim was amazing

Skyrim was so widely popular  due to a great advertising campaign, and Bethesda not ****ing everything up. (Bethesda not ****ing everything up is an acheivment in itself tbh) Skyrim was a great game because it brought new ideas with old in a somewhat cohesive way. ME3 did none of this

 

Ha! Ha! Nice joke.  

Modifié par TNT1991, 05 décembre 2012 - 11:44 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

I don't have a problem with this.

[Gtox69]

J. Reezy wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Gtox69 wrote...
It wasn't perfect, but as a gaming experience raised the bar siginificantly. 

I find that hard to take seriously.

It's his/her opinion. What difference does it make to you?

None. I was just wondering how low that "bar" is.

The bar is a matter of opinion.   The original Deus Ex set the bar (for me) as an overall experience.  Very little subsequent to that (and I include the woeful Half-life 2) challenged the bar, until Skyrim came along.   I knew nothing of the Mass Effect series until ME3, and so only played ME2 and ME1 after ME3 - I'm sure that if I'd started at the beginning then ME1 would have been the bar raiser.  When I tried playing Skyrim again after having played ME3, I realised how far behind Skyrim was in terms of plot, character development, relationships with NPCs and the ending, and therefore ME3 is the current standard against which I measure other games (and, since ME 1,2&3 are basically interactive movies with professional actors/actresses, complex, multiple storylines,  multi-dimensional characters and memorable dialogue, I actually struggle to watch movies now - they are just too damn dull).   So, well done Bioware.