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I know most people here are gold/platinum or at least silver. I've been at bronze, didn't play for six weeks or so then came back to collectors and hazard maps. I play randoms as the norm and rarely find any kind of team structure, pools of death quite common, and first aid medals seem to be the norm. On bronze, it never matters.

Can someone give me useful tips on gaining abiity to play silver matches well especially with randoms that don't communicate or try to work together for the most part (though I have found some matches where there is a team effort but still no mics).

Please, no insults. I'm new to gaming. I just started using my xbox in the summer and playing MP in the late summer IIRC with almost two months off in the fall.

Tactics for dealing with a group of enemies that are harder to take down than in broze would be especially helpful. In randoms, it seems like people scatter and as I'm scouting the map and trying to work with teammates I come across a mob of five or six and get shot and go down before I can get some distance/and or cover to start taking them out. Thanks in advance. I'm getting bored with bronze minus the collectors who do still challenge me.

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Don't missile glitch, it's not worth it.

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It is always better for yourself to survive and take it slow in any mode then risk running out to revive someone and then you fall and get swarmed so neither of you can revive after. Silver is not a standard to use consumables but if you have good enough weapons then you should be fine.

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Shoot things. Reload. Repeat. Ignore cover. Run a lot. Stay away from sync-kills.


Also... Don't die.

Glad I could be of assistance.

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For someone starting out on silver, I recommend a level 17 character or better, with health and shields maxed out. Pick a teammate and tail them, assist as best you can.

The biggest difference between bronze and silver (for me) is when and when not to revive. Typically, on bronze you can get away with running in and reviving anyone, but on silver you need to think it through before you become a dressed corpse next to your buddy.

Another thing to think about is stim pack and revival pack. Use them sparingly. Unless you fall dead in front of something that will get your teammates killed, in which case you should use your revival pack and spare your team from an en masse suicide.

The last thing to note is the usage of rockets. Hold onto them as long as you can. If you see a teammate about to get sync-killed, save them. If you see a large horde of big baddies together, use one. But for crying out loud, don't use a rocket on a baddie that is all alone on the other side of the field - it's just plain wasteful.

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I agree with maxing out health and following someone around. It'll be your best bet to get the hang of things.

Also I'd try to avoid reviving people until you clear the immediate area of enemies if you can. Or maybe toss a grenade or something that will stun the enemy before running over there.

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I think the biggest adjustment you may have to make is using cover. Bronze doesn't force you to seek cover because you can survive long enough under fire to evade it. Silver enemies hit hard enough that taking cover regularly is necessary.

Also, don't forget to upgrade your weapons. As an Engineer I found my starting pistol was too weak for Silver, and switched to the Carnifex as soon as it was high enough level to reduce its weight/cooldown to a useful level.

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How long have you been playing Bronze for? I ask because it helps to know all the maps and spawn points. Knowing where the enemies will come from will help you prepare for each wave so you will not get splintered off or cut off from your teammates. If you are new to silver and this happens you are going to die... a lot. Basically don't try and go Rambo unless you are very confident in the class you are using.

Bring a higher level character to Silver. Don't bring anything below level 15 and I'm being generous. Enemies on Silver hurt a lot more then on Bronze so you'll want to have the extra durability and toughness to endure.

With the credits you have saved up from Silver buy a lot of Veteran packs so you can upgrade your uncommons fast and start maxing out your manifest for your UC's. The UC's are viable on Gold and are excellent on Silver without consumables. Also you'll want to get some Gear and your Mods maxed so Vet packs are perfect for that. I assume you are newish from your OP, TS.

Stick close to your teammates and watch how they play. Pay attention to the leaderboard after each round and follow the top player in the game and watch how he plays. Learn through osmosis. Try to pick up some of the better players strategies for each map and faction.

Under no circumstances are you to go near anything that sync-kills. Even Brutes..

Don't stay in one spot or camp. Move around a lot. There are a lot more enemies than in Bronze and they do more damage so you don't want to get tied down in one corner of the map if you have no allies nearby. You can get flanked pretty easily on most maps. Also don't forget to use cover often and click down the LS so you can wrap around cover without having to stand up if you didn't know that.

That's really all I can tell you from my own experiences other than you'll just need to learn the maps and the factions it's really important. Silver isn't that much harder and you'll pick it up fast. It also helps to really know how to build your characters. Some powers suck or are really useless and some have great evo's and terrible evo's and players pick the wrong ones or ones that don't synergize well. Learning your kits and classes (BE's, CE's, FE's and TB's) will make killing ALL the things that much easier.

Modifié par Hyperglide, 05 décembre 2012 - 04:38 .


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Following someone around sounds like a good plan. I do that with one friend who gives me tips when we play silver, which isn't often. He will follow me and tell me tips that are not quite relevant on bronze but crucial when moving up to silver. Stuff that would never even have occurred to me.

I always max out health and usually bring my heartier characters to the game - batarians, krogans, sometimes my GI. Something that can take damage and is a character I am comfortable using. Need to start silver with my strongest character until I learn and adapt. A friend who taught me key basics of bronze when I started had me using my kroguard early on. He was a great teacher. Probably never would have lasted at MP at all without his help.

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I'd suggest keeping within close enough range of at least one teammate so that if they get downed, you have least have a *chance* to prevent them getting stomped, and they you. And whenever you kill a group of mobs or a heavy that's in front of you, take at least a second to check behind you before moving on, to see if they've been serving as a distraction for their friends.

And sometimes the best move is to not move. I regularly see teammates go running off to hunt down the last smattering of enemies, and a lot of the time if I just sit still somewhere with a good view, I'll see the baddies running around just as unsure of where we are. Then I pewpew 'em in the backs of their ****ing heads :-D

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Find people willing to help. If our gt is in our sig, chances are we are willing to help. Just send a message on xbox 360 saying how you got the Gt and I am sure wichever bsn forumite you choose will be willing to help if they are online. I myself am headin to my xbox in a few minutes. Btw a mic always helps.

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1) Try different weapons on different classes. Even if some weapons may seem mediocre on one class, they may work well with a different character class.
2) Do your best to have at least 3 ranks in fitness. Some can get away with 0, but the extra health and shields are useful to get that extra moment to jump behind cover.
3) Use cover more often. Either stick to it or use it to obscure line of site.
4) Try to focus on taking down the basic solders and "Marauder/Centurion" classes first. Though they are individually weaker, taking them down first greatly reduces the volume of fire you'll face and reduce the chances you'll be flanked.
5) Try to stick near 1 or 2 of the team. Not glued on them, but near enough to watch a different corridor or res them if they drop.
6) Don't run blindly through the map. Try and have a way to run away if the group is too big/powerful.
7) It's ok to run from a fight. The worst thing you can do is sprint into a spawn 3 seconds into a wave and get killed
8) Try and use rockets on later waves.
9) Try not to use medi-gels early in the match or near the end of a wave (unless you're the only one left)
10) Use consumables and crowd control powers. More stunned bad guys = more chance to shoot their big dumb heads (I'm looking at you collectors).

I hope this helps. I'm not sure what else to say other then be a little bit more...conservative when it comes to running around.

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While the "good" (and I use that term loosely) players dont need to use cover too often, I highly recommend you stick to either using hard(actual game cover) and soft(objects/walls that block line of sight) cover at every opportunity. Enemies wont kill you THAT quickly, but you will die far more frequently from sustained enemy fire on Silver+, unlike Bronze where you can pretty much kill the majority of enemies before they can kill you.

Learn when to revive and not revive teammates. Sometimes players will put themselves in situations that you'll simply kill the both of you, by trying to revive that teammate amidst banshees, phantoms, praetorians or whatever killed them.

Wave 5, and 7-10 will be the first major instances of "bosses" so be prepared on those waves to see the tougher units. If most of your team goes down on the later waves AVOID killing the bosses and try to clean up the infantry/basic units first so the bosses cannot respawn multiple times.

Lastly, never trust your teammates to handle objectives. Dont get suicidal trying to accomplish them yourself, but place a high priority on doing them yourself, because far too often no one else does, or they wait until too late into the wave and time runs out because too many enemies are camping the final device or something.

Consumables? Eh, I dont think you need them, and at most 1 or 2 rockets on wave 10 to help make sure you get the objective done (and medigel as necessary) is about all you should need. Ammo powers and such shouldnt really be necessary either (save them for Gold/Platinum). Definitely dont bother with rockets before wave 10, because you should be able to "kite" enemies around the map long enough to kill them if necessary, and wave 10 is pretty much the only wave on Silver that is worth the cost:credit ratio of using consumables.

Just learning the waves that particular types of enemies spawn, and the overall "AI logic" will do you wonders, and make the game far easier.

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I remember my own baby steps progressing up the difficulties. My bread and butter character has always been the (now forgotten) Human Sentinel. Back then Tact armor wasn't too good therefore I skipped it entirely.

Wielding only a carnifex, I made my way upwards. Why this build? Because it enabled me to stay in cover for long periods.
Stuff with shields and armor, Warp -> Shoot a little -> Cover -> Throw.
Stuff without shields -> Throw spam

It was a conservative route to play until I learned more about the AI behavior and timings.

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Hyperglide wrote...

How long have you been playing Bronze for? I ask because it helps to know all the maps and spawn points. Knowing where the enemies will come from will help you prepare for each wave so you will not get splintered off or cut off from your teammates. If you are new to silver and this happens you are going to die... a lot. Basically don't try and go Rambo unless you are very confident in the class you are using.

Bring a higher level character to Silver. Don't bring anything below level 15 and I'm being generous. Enemies on Silver hurt a lot more then on Bronze so you'll want to have the extra durability and toughness to endure.

With the credits you have saved up from Silver buy a lot of Veteran packs so you can upgrade your uncommons fast and start maxing out your manifest for your UC's. The UC's are viable on Gold and are excellent on Silver without consumables. Also you'll want to get some Gear and your Mods maxed so Vet packs are perfect for that. I assume you are newish from your OP, TS.

Stick close to your teammates and watch how they play. Pay attention to the leaderboard after each round and follow the top player in the game and watch how he plays. Learn through osmosis. Try to pick up some of the better players strategies for each map and faction.

Under no circumstances are you to go near anything that sync-kills. Even Brutes..

Don't stay in one spot or camp. Move around a lot. There are a lot more enemies than in Bronze and they do more damage so you don't want to get tied down in one corner of the map if you have no allies nearby. You can get flanked pretty easily on most maps. Also don't forget to use cover often and click down the LS so you can wrap around cover without having to stand up if you didn't know that.

That's really all I can tell you from my own experiences other than you'll just need to learn the maps and the factions it's really important. Silver isn't that much harder and you'll pick it up fast. It also helps to really know how to build your characters. Some powers suck or are really useless and some have great evo's and terrible evo's and players pick the wrong ones or ones that don't synergize well. Learning your kits and classes (BE's, CE's, FE's and TB's) will make killing ALL the things that much easier.


Very detailed. Thanks.

I try to bring a level 18 or higher and a heartier character but something that also has a power I can use to stagger because it will help give me an edge.

My manifest is fairly full but ultra rare weapons aren't maxed. I am familiar with the maps and some of them with the spawn points. I try to kill some of them off ASAP to thin the herd but it depends on the wave. I've noticed spawn points seem to change on each map with certain waves and factions. Like on london, landings and extraction are both spawn points but not always.

I think I've been playing bronze for around three months total though not regularly until the challenges which I love to do for fun and variety. I've played at lot more since I came back to it and they had the challenges. Nearly daily now, which is why I think I'm starting to notice it's boring me - early waves are dull as hell.

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Definitely use the classes you are most comfortable with until you are able to make it through games without dying too frequently.

Stick close to teammates as they will (hopefully) revive you without using a medigel.

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Hyperglide wrote...

How long have you been playing Bronze for? I ask because it helps to know all the maps and spawn points. Knowing where the enemies will come from will help you prepare for each wave so you will not get splintered off or cut off from your teammates. If you are new to silver and this happens you are going to die... a lot. Basically don't try and go Rambo unless you are very confident in the class you are using.

Bring a higher level character to Silver. Don't bring anything below level 15 and I'm being generous. Enemies on Silver hurt a lot more then on Bronze so you'll want to have the extra durability and toughness to endure.

With the credits you have saved up from Silver buy a lot of Veteran packs so you can upgrade your uncommons fast and start maxing out your manifest for your UC's. The UC's are viable on Gold and are excellent on Silver without consumables. Also you'll want to get some Gear and your Mods maxed so Vet packs are perfect for that. I assume you are newish from your OP, TS.

Stick close to your teammates and watch how they play. Pay attention to the leaderboard after each round and follow the top player in the game and watch how he plays. Learn through osmosis. Try to pick up some of the better players strategies for each map and faction.

Under no circumstances are you to go near anything that sync-kills. Even Brutes..

Don't stay in one spot or camp. Move around a lot. There are a lot more enemies than in Bronze and they do more damage so you don't want to get tied down in one corner of the map if you have no allies nearby. You can get flanked pretty easily on most maps. Also don't forget to use cover often and click down the LS so you can wrap around cover without having to stand up if you didn't know that.

That's really all I can tell you from my own experiences other than you'll just need to learn the maps and the factions it's really important. Silver isn't that much harder and you'll pick it up fast. It also helps to really know how to build your characters. Some powers suck or are really useless and some have great evo's and terrible evo's and players pick the wrong ones or ones that don't synergize well. Learning your kits and classes (BE's, CE's, FE's and TB's) will make killing ALL the things that much easier.

The bolded part is how I've learned the maps.

Sticking close to team-mates is a really good strategy espcially when the big bads come calling and you have multiple firearms being used against them, They go down faster than a wet sack of hammers that way. Fastest I've ever seen Brutes and Banshees go down is when you stay together. All that armour doesn't help them if 2-4 sets of guns are ravaging those bars.

Grab from cover - great instakill move once you learn the timing and placement as well as holding the melee button+up. I always wondered why it was so hit-and-miss with me but I just pressed it. Holding gets you the grab and sometimes if the enemy is walking away but near enough they will kindly shift back to the grab position and die at your fist.:wizard:

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using tank classes + not leroy-ing it all the time. that helped me.

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I'll keep it simple:
1.Sacrifice Goats to RNGods
2.Get Harrier
3. ??????
4. Profit

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shivyshivy wrote...

Definitely use the classes you are most comfortable with until you are able to make it through games without dying too frequently.

Stick close to teammates as they will (hopefully) revive you without using a medigel.


The classes I am most comfortable with are adepts and engineers but I feel like they are too weak to brings into silver as a newbie to it. Also, my adepts don't seem to have anywhere near the power they did on bronze. I tried them a few times and could not pull out more than three BEs. Damn! But it will help whittle them down so maybe coming in as a back up player who doesn't aim to kill everything in sight but more to weaken enemies for the better players so they can work do their job better. Then I'm more like a supporting player who can follow the best player and help them kill enemies faster. Though adepts and engineers are generally squishier. So I'll have to be really careful with them. It's a totally different tactic than bringing in the strongest character, but it might help the team the most while giving me the best way to follow the best player and be useful at the same time.

Thoughts on this tactic? Anyone?

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run det combos and dont bother with guns untill you get the geth plas shot

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starlitegirlx wrote...

shivyshivy wrote...

Definitely use the classes you are most comfortable with until you are able to make it through games without dying too frequently.

Stick close to teammates as they will (hopefully) revive you without using a medigel.


The classes I am most comfortable with are adepts and engineers but I feel like they are too weak to brings into silver as a newbie to it. Also, my adepts don't seem to have anywhere near the power they did on bronze. I tried them a few times and could not pull out more than three BEs. Damn! But it will help whittle them down so maybe coming in as a back up player who doesn't aim to kill everything in sight but more to weaken enemies for the better players so they can work do their job better. Then I'm more like a supporting player who can follow the best player and help them kill enemies faster. Though adepts and engineers are generally squishier. So I'll have to be really careful with them. It's a totally different tactic than bringing in the strongest character, but it might help the team the most while giving me the best way to follow the best player and be useful at the same time.

Thoughts on this tactic? Anyone?


It's acceptable (to me) but not everyone likes to be followed around they might interpret it as trying to steal kills (lolwut). At any rate there isn't one way to play this game so experiment and find a style that you like

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starlitegirlx wrote...

The classes I am most comfortable with are adepts and engineers but I feel like they are too weak to brings into silver as a newbie to it.


You will play infinitely better on a new difficulty if you just play "your" characters.

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1. In Bronze you can run around like a fruit loop killing everything all over the place wildly, in Silver the baddies start to hit back, they can and will take you down for being careless for charging into the group of Dragoons/Cannibals/Whatevers and expecting them to die for you. Find someone and follow them around to get a feel for everything.

2. If someone goes down in the area and you're free, than by all means head on over to them, but don't run straight into the middle of a pack of flunkies doing so. If you have to, clear some of them out first, resurrect them when its clear(er). Being dead next to them doesn't help them or you.

3. Ops packs/medigel. If you're near some teammates when you fall, hold off to give them time to get you, but don't let yourself die off. Ops packs are there for a reason, if your shields are gone and you've got this midgity sliver of life left..use it. Dropping dead because you want to save that last o/p is foolish.

4. Bosses will take you down for being stupid, unlike Bronze where you have to work at accomplishing that. .

5. Mics are you friend, if you have it--use it. Because giving your teammates a heads up about the Nemesis standing on your dying body is pretty darned useful, that and (where the frak are you guys? I could use a hand with the 2 Centurions, pack of Dragoons and the Nemesis chasing me!).

6. Missiles - you shouldn't need them sooner than wave 8 generally... Use your judgement and see if you really *need* to use one or you can whittle it down instead. But you have them for a reason, don't horde them just because. I've seen too many matches go south when your team is being swamped on Wave 9/10 by bosses and your teammates are dropping left and right like flies and no-one uses any.

7. Use Hypergilde's tips as well.

Last, buy Veteran packs and start upgrading all your weapons/gear/consumables. You'll also see which of those really work well on Silver vs those that aren't worth it. Don't bring anyone under 15 to Silver when you're starting off. When you're able to hold your own, than bring them over earlier if you want. Have fun!

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Learn bronze very well. Then solo bronze with equipment. Then solo bronze without equipment. Then you should be completely seasoned for silver.

Or, just join silver matches as tanky characters (krogan, vorcha, batarian, etc.) with really good weapons (Carnifex, Mattock, and if you have them, reegar, harrier, claymore, piranha, etc.). Then move down to more fragile classes with less powerful weapons.