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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tactical cloak is not actually a cloak. It does almost nothing to make enemies stop attacking you, especially if you're the last person alive.

It should be renamed to Tactical Damage Boost.

Agree wholeheartedly on Sirian with this..Cloak implementation is rubbish

[DoubleHell]

If you're the last person standing, you get that cool little red diamond plastered on you and every enemy on the map gets told where you are - "only one more left..."

Fair is fair I suppose...we get told where the last enemy is too, even if it's a cloaked phantom.

[Freeze_Star]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tactical cloak is not actually a cloak. It does almost nothing to make enemies stop attacking you, especially if you're the last person alive.

It should be renamed to Tactical Damage Boost.

[LuckyBullet95]

Cloak has some extremely interesting mechanics. For instance, Cloaking still leaves the enemy with data of your last location so they will shoot on that general direction. Enemies also have a hearing range that, when entered alerts them of your presence. Finally, this is more of a general game mechanics; if enemies have no current data of an enemy location the game will seed information about players whereabouts. Otherwise the gameplay would just stop with the enemies not moving. So yeah, if you're the last person alive Cloaking is pretty worthless when it comes to survivability.

[Imperator_Prime]

Koenig888 wrote...

Quarian Infiltrator wrote...

Sorry if it sounds like ranting, it just seems unfair that they can still grab you while cloaked while taking the device. Not to mention half the time you still get shot while camo. 

Husks and Abominations seem to be able to see through cloak.

Oh...  OH!  Maybe that's why-- I could swear I remember this-- somewhere in the Codex they mention how part of being "husk-ified" involved augmenting the sense of smell, and husks were used to sniff out the most genetically fit candidates for Reaper-fication from among the captive stock. 

TL;DR version--  husks can smell where you are, because you stink.

[LegionofRannoch]

Imperator_Prime wrote...

Koenig888 wrote...

Quarian Infiltrator wrote...

Sorry if it sounds like ranting, it just seems unfair that they can still grab you while cloaked while taking the device. Not to mention half the time you still get shot while camo. 

Husks and Abominations seem to be able to see through cloak.

Oh...  OH!  Maybe that's why-- I could swear I remember this-- somewhere in the Codex they mention how part of being "husk-ified" involved augmenting the sense of smell, and husks were used to sniff out the most genetically fit candidates for Reaper-fication from among the captive stock. 

TL;DR version--  husks can smell where you are, because you stink.

or because you smell beautiful

[ReadingRambo220]

It makes sense to me. When I see a lone cloaked hunter in my field of view it's easy to dispatch him. When there are two rocket troopers firing missiles as a hunter advances it's  easy for me to lose track of him.

Modifié par GreyPouponWarden, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:45 .

[sirjimmus86]

Ah good old U/U/G with strangers.

Just yesterday I was happily deactivating some explosives on my Drell on Hydra vs Reapers. I was in cover also and therefore the Ravager blasting away at me didn't actually hit. Then a squaddie shows up and starts joining in the deactivation.............I do a small facepalm, then he gets taken out by the Ravager.

Hack complete, I charge & double Raider & cluster grenade the Ravager then come back to raise him, then he went and tried to melee a banshee and got grabbed. Fun times.

[OniGanon]

People like to go on about Phantoms and Banshees but truthfully the most dangerous units in the game are Husks, Abominations, Seeker Swarms, Bombers, Drones and Engineers.

[Kalas Magnus]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

Imperator_Prime wrote...

Koenig888 wrote...

Quarian Infiltrator wrote...

Sorry if it sounds like ranting, it just seems unfair that they can still grab you while cloaked while taking the device. Not to mention half the time you still get shot while camo. 

Husks and Abominations seem to be able to see through cloak.

Oh...  OH!  Maybe that's why-- I could swear I remember this-- somewhere in the Codex they mention how part of being "husk-ified" involved augmenting the sense of smell, and husks were used to sniff out the most genetically fit candidates for Reaper-fication from among the captive stock. 

TL;DR version--  husks can smell where you are, because you stink.

or because you smell beautiful

better  explanation...

[Zero132132]

I actually think that TC works to make you MORE visible when you're alone. The alert level of the enemies usually switches to a more visible target, but when you're alone, you're the only target. The thing is, when enemies don't see you at all, they do still attack the spot where you last were. I think when you cloak, it triggers a reassessment of the most visible target and they come after you because, as the only target, you're the most attractive target.

Maybe not. Just noticed that when I'm alone as non-infiltrators, I can often go without getting noticed, and when I circle back, they're basically randomly firing near where they last saw me. Doesn't happen with infiltrators.

Modifié par Zero132132, 05 décembre 2012 - 10:20 .

[TrveOmegaSlayer]

Kalas321 wrote...

wait until you get sync killed while cloaked. Yeah, it happens.

tc=tactical damage boost

best sync kill available is still during biotic charge and grabbed through cover by a Banshee

[Computron2000]

Zero132132 wrote...
Maybe not. Just noticed that when I'm alone as non-infiltrators, I can often go without getting noticed, and when I circle back, they're basically randomly firing near where they last saw me. Doesn't happen with infiltrators.

Its mostly about distance and line of sight. If you're far enough and behind cover, the system won't flag you until the enemies cheat. If there is something else that can draw aggro (even the objective drone lol), when you lose LOS, you can shift the aggro to it/him/her regardless of your class. Thats how i used the HE combat drone to tank banshees and brutes when soloing before the patch.

When soloing, cloak acts as a immediate LOS break. The problem is that there is nothing else to soak up the aggro. This means its still effective but you have to immediately leave the current location as they will shoot the general area but you're still considered as no LOS (until they cheat)

Modifié par Computron2000, 05 décembre 2012 - 10:34 .

[Zero132132]

Computron2000 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...
Maybe not. Just noticed that when I'm alone as non-infiltrators, I can often go without getting noticed, and when I circle back, they're basically randomly firing near where they last saw me. Doesn't happen with infiltrators.

Its mostly about distance and line of sight. If you're far enough and behind cover, the system won't flag you until the enemies cheat. If there is something else that can draw aggro (even the objective drone lol), when you lose LOS, you can shift the aggro to it/him/her regardless of your class. Thats how i used the HE combat drone to tank banshees and brutes when soloing before the patch.

When soloing, cloak acts as a immediate LOS break. The problem is that there is nothing else to soak up the aggro. This means its still effective but you have to immediately leave the current location as they will shoot the general area but you're still considered as no LOS (until they cheat)

Yeah, I know all that. I'm saying that I think that activating cloak triggers a moment of 'cheating.' When you're with others, this still results in an aggro dump so long as other potential targets aren't super far away, because you're deprioritized. 

Like I said, just a guess. I just notice that when I'm alone, the enemies appear to notice me with TC more often than they do without it.

[ValorOfArms777]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Tactical cloak is not actually a cloak. It does almost nothing to make enemies stop attacking you, especially if you're the last person alive.

It should be renamed to Tactical Damage Boost.

What he said

Lets explain further, now in a VG enemies are always in technciality AWARE of you, what TC does is makes the AGGRO disipate down on yourself and focus else place and trick the foes into fireing into that "known local" not makign them unhing from attack mode, if you get too close too long boudn 1 will spot you full on and all are alerted, making it quite difficult if you do TC wrong, what a good player performs is called, TC repeat cast, you don't jsut remained cloaked and run off but at a safe distnac eyou repeat TC over and over, decreagin the aggrivation levels further and further, listen closly for foes saying some words about TC with you, these are good hints of what mode they are in "search" and "attack" you takign cover also degrades the aggro levels further to cloak + cover is more downfall of aggro, now the next hint is, enemy radius alert, enemies alert others via their actiosnundo searhc modes or alter otehr aggros, twards youself at times, like a sudden shift of attention, most foes perfence picking off "stragglers by their AI" why goign alone is not always recommended, but a good TC with the team up will defiantly be able to advert search mode to the allies not you, but TC in solo is a diffrent beast..and much simpler 

I knwo you prob don'tunderstand but TC is nothign mroe than Aggro control to force foes to go into search mode or, attack yoru last known local as I find them shooting where I was constnatly when I do round abouts

all foes have diffrent "notice times" so the one with the best "notice time" will alert all others to presense and base don the closest target they go for the closest with the highest posability of aggro when they have no "actiosn mid play"

SO what you should do is, keep in mind about "Omni sight (foes allhave this), Search Mode, Attack Mode, and finnaly enemy action, I cna run through a enemy section even slightly tapping a foe trigger his attack and run off scotch free and then later pop around re cloaking on and off till I get a good cloak spot and BAM, and remmber not all yrou shots HAVE to be cloaked, sometimes you need to fire non cloaked shots to cause stagger action


(I played many Infiltrators and many times to learn enemy behaviors and these are my explinations and educated guasses, I might be wrong but it seem pretty right)

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 05 décembre 2012 - 10:55 .

[Computron2000]

Zero132132 wrote...
Yeah, I know all that. I'm saying that I think that activating cloak triggers a moment of 'cheating.' When you're with others, this still results in an aggro dump so long as other potential targets aren't super far away, because you're deprioritized. 

Like I said, just a guess. I just notice that when I'm alone, the enemies appear to notice me with TC more often than they do without it.

Just tested it and cloak activation and deactivation didn't alert the sole centurion i left alive on gold hydra. Poor fella was shooting at the command center direction when i went around to end up behind him solidly blocked by the big device/obstacle near the LZ ammo box. 

[Zero132132]

Computron2000 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...
Yeah, I know all that. I'm saying that I think that activating cloak triggers a moment of 'cheating.' When you're with others, this still results in an aggro dump so long as other potential targets aren't super far away, because you're deprioritized. 

Like I said, just a guess. I just notice that when I'm alone, the enemies appear to notice me with TC more often than they do without it.

Just tested it and cloak activation and deactivation didn't alert the sole centurion i left alive on gold hydra. Poor fella was shooting at the command center direction when i went around to end up behind him solidly blocked by the big device/obstacle near the LZ ammo box. 

Thanks, actually. Will keep that in mind.

[ValorOfArms777]

Zero132132 wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...
Yeah, I know all that. I'm saying that I think that activating cloak triggers a moment of 'cheating.' When you're with others, this still results in an aggro dump so long as other potential targets aren't super far away, because you're deprioritized. 

Like I said, just a guess. I just notice that when I'm alone, the enemies appear to notice me with TC more often than they do without it.

Just tested it and cloak activation and deactivation didn't alert the sole centurion i left alive on gold hydra. Poor fella was shooting at the command center direction when i went around to end up behind him solidly blocked by the big device/obstacle near the LZ ammo box. 

Thanks, actually. Will keep that in mind.

see? he was stuck in attack mode and search mode, jsut by off and oning cloak you kept depressing his "LoS" and ALert, Enemies alsohave a LoS alert so think like ..metal gear solid when delaign with foes they can "hear" and "see" (but in truth they always knwo your location and perform their actison in either attack or search mode"

[Caldari Ghost]

Sorry OP. I chose the geth everytime. It was the best I could do.

[AlienSpaceBats]

lmysterie wrote...

I have an idea lets ask bioware to fix the tactical cloak to make us completely unditectable when the cloak is on

I would trade this for all the damage/power boosts the power offers.

[Plague x Smokey]

Quarian Infiltrator wrote...

 So I'm playing unknown, unknown, gold. We get collecters, Rio, all is well until wave 10. We get the four device object wave. The team gets three objects, then gets swarmed by everything, having it almost impossible to get up when you have every unit meleeing you trying to get away or get a launcher out. I managed to get away, being the only person left alive on the team. 
Heres the part that frustrated me. Using my quarian female infiltrator, I go camo and start to take the final object. Half way through a scion shoots the grenades next to me and stops the hack. I rush to the other side of the map to draw them away, then rush back to take it again. Sadly while cloaked, with 8/10 of the objective taken the husk grabs me while cloaked and stops the hack two times in a row. 
Sorry if it sounds like ranting, it just seems unfair that they can still grab you while cloaked while taking the device. Not to mention half the time you still get shot while camo. 

OK just one thing for you here which might help you in your time of need.  
If you are the last alive on your team the Tactical cloak will not work, its like when your up against the Geth and the last alive is a Geth Hunter who is using cloak, but because of the red markings showing you he is the last alive the cloak is not useful in the slightest.  
Well the same apllies to us sadly if we are the last alive dont bother with the cloak its a waste of time to even press that button.
Hope that helps someway