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Itsgoodtobe

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 Hello my dear fellow BSN'ers 

I've been looking for a source (interview, tweet, article, forum post, whatever) in which someone from Bioware confirmed that Morrigan and the OGB will return in DA3 for those players for whom it is relevant. 

I remember someone from bioware confirming it but for the life of me i cannot find a direct source - i can only find people refering to it as confirmed.

So if you know could you please throw a link my way - you will get enternal gratitude in return!:lol:

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Maria Caliban

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There is no such quote.

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Might try this thread somewhere in it...

http://social.biowar.../index/14334357

Can't guarantee what you are looking for is in there, but that seems to be fairly updated with what news is around.  

I certainly have heard no such guarantee of anything.   Becareful about what is "confirmed" and what is just "speculation".    Almost nothing is "confirmed" during this point in game development.

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Itsgoodtobe

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well maybe what im thinking of was a bioware response to some of the feedback or surveys stating that they understood that many players wanted to see Morrigan and OGB in DA3?

If anyone has a link to something like that it would be nice as well ;)

and thanks for the link i will look through it ;)

Modifié par Itsgoodtobe, 05 décembre 2012 - 07:06 .


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Itsgoodtobe wrote...

well maybe what im thinking of was a bioware response to some of the feedback or surveys stating that they understood that many players wanted to see Morrigan and OGB in DA3?


Fans want a lot of things.

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David has said that *if* the OGB is referenced in future games, they would only do so for characters who performed the Dark Ritual. Much like Anders only being alive if you didn't kill him.

It doesn't mean these characters will appear, only that Bioware isn't going to force them on you.

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I'll help you out...


David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and B) would probably be pretty lame.


David Gaider wrote...

While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental. So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely. That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote.


David Gaider wrote...

If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.


There might be more out there, but there is NOTHING confirming Morrigan or OGB presence in DA3, only that if, in a future game, you made that choice, it will be recognized in some way.

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That's impressive work, nightscrawl. The first DG quote is a couple of years old at this point. Do you have it bookmarked for reference? :P

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DarkSpiral wrote...

That's impressive work, nightscrawl. The first DG quote is a couple of years old at this point. Do you have it bookmarked for reference? :P

I have several Bioware quotes bookmarked for circumstances like this. Also, as you can see, while that first one is two years old (which I hadn't noticed), the second is four months and the third is three months, so the same issues crop up repeatedly. The majority of my saves are regarding the voiced PC, dialogs, and stuff like that.

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OGB? Oh, that thing doesn't exist.

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It's not so much relevant as it is "fun" - but the Epilogue texts for Origins does state that a young woman fitting Morrigan's description had insinuated herself into the Empress of Orlais' court.

Not sure how she did that AND disappeared into the Eluvian - but there you go.

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Medhia Nox wrote...

It's not so much relevant as it is "fun" - but the Epilogue texts for Origins does state that a young woman fitting Morrigan's description had insinuated herself into the Empress of Orlais' court.

Not sure how she did that AND disappeared into the Eluvian - but there you go.


Wasn't that one of the epilogue texts that they retconned? Besides, one could say Cassandra matches Morrigan's general description so it could theoritically be anyone.

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Personally, I'd prefer the OGB to remain in books or comics.

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Wulfram

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I can't see much sense in putting off Morrigan's return too long. I mean, it's already quite a long time since DA:O, waiting another 3-4 years for DA3 to see her again risks people rather losing interest in her.

Modifié par Wulfram, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:33 .


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Elfman wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

It's not so much relevant as it is "fun" - but the Epilogue texts for Origins does state that a young woman fitting Morrigan's description had insinuated herself into the Empress of Orlais' court.

Not sure how she did that AND disappeared into the Eluvian - but there you go.


Wasn't that one of the epilogue texts that they retconned? Besides, one could say Cassandra matches Morrigan's general description so it could theoritically be anyone.


Whoa! What?! When were the epilogue texts retconned? :blink:
If this is truly the case, then fingers are definitely pointing to there being at least a cameo for Morrigan in DA3 (and I'll have to do another playthrough). Or Bioware is just playing with our heartstrings again - you know how they feed off of fans' tears and such...:crying:

Modifié par javajedi217, 05 décembre 2012 - 11:26 .


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I'm thinking Morrigan's son can actually be an optional party member in a future Dragon Age game. He'll only appear if the Warden romanced Morrigan and declined the Dark Ritual or if the Dark Ritual was done.

If Morrigan's son resulted from the Dark Ritual then he gets an optional powerup ability that improves the power of his spells. I.E. he taps into his 'old god soul' for a temporary power boost.

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

Itsgoodtobe wrote...

well maybe what im thinking of was a bioware response to some of the feedback or surveys stating that they understood that many players wanted to see Morrigan and OGB in DA3?


Fans want a lot of things.


And here are some reasons why they can't have them. Fan is short for fanatic, after all... :?

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The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

And here are some reasons why they can't have them. Fan is short for fanatic, after all... :?


I was wondering why the writers and devs weren't posting as often as they used to... Given the general state of the forums, this trope makes so much sense...:blush:

Or they could just be very busy! Or both...

Modifié par javajedi217, 06 décembre 2012 - 12:22 .


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Urazz wrote...

I'm thinking Morrigan's son can actually be an optional party member in a future Dragon Age game. He'll only appear if the Warden romanced Morrigan and declined the Dark Ritual or if the Dark Ritual was done.

If Morrigan's son resulted from the Dark Ritual then he gets an optional powerup ability that improves the power of his spells. I.E. he taps into his 'old god soul' for a temporary power boost.


Why can't he [OGB] appear in the way you are suggesting if the Warden didn't romance Morrigan (for reasons like being a woman or a gay man) but went ahead with the Dark Ritual and the father was Alistair or Loghain.

I think variable appearances for the OGB (or not OGB if Ritual didn't happen but romance with Male Warden did) would be cool:

1. Not much of a difference for half-elf variant since half-elves in DA don't have pointy ears, but maybe an increase in available mana. Let's just assume that Morrigan's son, regardless of Ritual or not is a mage and an apostate at that.

2. Half-dwarf is stockier, maybe has a beard. Still a mage, but with a built-in resistance to magical attacks due to his father's heritage.

3. Blond Hair if Alistair's the father.

4. Black Hair and extra pale skin if Loghain is dad.

5. In every instance Morrigan's kid should bear a resemblance to her: similar eyes, same eye colour. Something like that.

It would be fun to see something like this, but I can't see BioWare using resources in the fashion I'm describing. I can't in all likelihood see him being much more than a central NPC in a large sidequest which opens up if the character is conceived in the first place.

A party member wouldn't be completely out of the question, but an optional party member only available if conditions in a previous game's playthrough are met seems a little far-fetched.

I would however be okay with them implementing such a companion if it meant that they scrapped multiplayer, but that's just me, probably. :innocent: