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[FaWa]

 Since Bioware has yet to release any information to make me excited for DA3, I really think its time for us RPG fans to find something new. Honestly, with Baldurs Gate Enhanced coming out, Project Eternity on the way, and Obsidian saying they will be making an old school style WRPG, there is no reason to deal with EA's nonsense anymore. A lot of Indy RPGs are better than DA2, and most likely will be better than DA3. If you are looking for a game where your choices matter, the best game to come out this year was the walking dead, which will definitely have sequels on the way. 

Every peice of information Bioware has given us about DA3 has been bad news. You know why Skyrim was so succesful? It excited people with new features and cool things. Everything we have seen about DA3 is talking about the bad things in DA2 that are staying. Everything we saw about DA2 was all the features being removed from Origins. Good job Bioware!

As for me, I'll be waiting for the next bit of info. If Its the same BS we've been getting, I'm done. 

[yaw]

I'll still check it out. I won't buy it, but I'll play it, just in case in has any merit. If nothing's improved, I'll turn my back on the series, until something renews my interest.

[Icehawk7]

It's still far too early to judge DA3. I'm not on the edge of my seat paying attention no every little detail that comes out, but I haven't heard anything close to a deal breaker yet.

[DEJOBLUE]

I really liked DA2, it was different. I DO think that they could have simply made it an expansion of DA:O. So many players thirst for more DLC. Think of WoW, but not MMO, no subscription, simply continuous content updates every 6 months that we have to pay for either as DLC or full blown expansions. I would have rather had 3 new $20 DLC over 2 years or a DA:O expansion for $40 with a ton of new DLC like items etc. instead of DA2, even more DLC gears etc., even tho I really like DA2.

The biggest problem they have on PC is that I could simply download the winter forge and make my own awesome items. All they could really provide is more lore/content/campaigns. Even DA2 has an addon where I can summon any item, even promo items and even Collectors Edition items and use them. This is not a problem on xbox or PS3 but on PC it is. ORIGIN has the potential to provide the security to let them sell us DLC for individual items to full blown expansions without the threat of players feeling ripped off because someone makes a hack or learns the developer console commands.

They have a lot to live up to and cant go back now when they could have released official hi rez texture packs etc. to keep the game alive. Now they have pissed off half of their playerbase that was fully content to simply buy more DLC, even with all of the hacks out there.

Not to go off topic, but there is an emerging market of gamers in their mid thirties that are the first generation to grow up with computers and serious games in their homes, for play and pleasure, not work, that are simply not being serviced. You may think that you need to tap that young generation market because they are naive and have money to blow, but I am older, want difficult games and have much more money to blow than any 15 year old xbox gamer.

[adi4444]

you right i agree with you origins was very good but thats it da2 was medium game and not an rpg

[Taurenul]

I'm willing to give Bioware one more chance.
After all, they have shown that they can learn from previous mistakes, look at Mass Effect 3.

From ME 1 to ME 2 they improved combat, but overly simplified the RPG elements (skill tree and item customization). In ME 3 they combined elements from both games by having a more fleshed out skill tree and some item customization (still not at the level of the first game, but I will take what I can get).

They say that DA 3 will be a combination of the previous two games. This gives me hope, but I will have to see the game first before I make any decisions.

I'm not a huge fan of the new look Dragon Age has received with it's second installment. Also I HATE the new JRPG combat style it has going. Every time I saw someone swing a massive two-handed sword like a toothpick it just took me out of the game. It was constantly taking me out of the moment and reminding me that I'm playing a game... it broke my immersion.

[bEVEsthda]

Faerunner wrote...

Trust me, I'm not buying it. I've been replaying some of my favorite RPG's and checking out some Kickstarter projects made by people who actually LIKE traditional RPG's. (Obsidian's Project Eternity in particular sounds promising.) Bioware can keep their mediocre CoD/ME/Skyrim clones, I'm playing good quality RPG's.

? There's no similarity between Bioware games and Bethesda (Skyrim), other than that they're all good, up to DA:Origins.  Are you saying DA3 will be a Skyrim clone? I doubt that very much.

Personally, I'm prepared to give Bioware another chance. We'll see.

[YHillo]

I had no idea people were this pissed at BW. I personally so far have liked all of the games that BW has made in the last few years so I'm not picking up a pitchfork just yet. Also, the DA3 release is like.... a year away at the very least. Why should we have more info on a game that doesn't even have a proper release date yet? What are the only bad and horrible info tidbits we have gotten so far? Are you referring to the return of the dialogue wheel or what?

Also, Skyrim is actually in no way a perfect, or even, say, a good game. In fact I'd be as bold as to say that even DA2 beats it storywise. And DA2 didn't really have much of a great story to begin with. At least BW games are not so bugged they're basically unplayable for a year after their release and they actually appreciate all of their playerbase, as opposed to Bethesda who seem to love kissing up to xbox users and kick other people in the butt and straight out lie to their faces. The pretty visuals do not really help Skyrim's case when you can barely move from one town to another without a gamefreeze.
So yeah, I am guessing DA3 will not actually be nothing like Skyrim (except perhaps for ~pretty graphics~ that are always welcome) since it will probably have an actual story and will be playable for the most part on all platforms.

But I digress. Whatever comes will come in its time. It's too early to be making any decisions about anything.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

FaWa wrote...
Every peice of information Bioware has given us about DA3 has been bad news.

What do you consider to be bad news? Please provide some examples if you're going to make statements to this effect. Personally I have found what little info BioWare has thrown our way to be intriguing in some instances but far too limited and vague to form any concrete impression of.

FaWa wrote...
You know why Skyrim was so succesful?

Because it played it safe, rinsing and repeating the same gameplay and structure that has served Bethsoft so well to date while providing certain minor, and frequently requested tweaks (e.g. dual-wielding, kill cams, improved third person view, and fancier kill animations). I count myself as a fan but nowhere near as much as any BioWare game you care to name.

As to the "indie is better" mentality you're expressing, indie games are far more hit and miss than studio ones. Some are great, but others are painfully unplayable, though generally at least cheaper than big name games. I'm hoping Project Eternity is good, but I don't info to go on: kind of like DA3.

I would like to point out that the Obisidian games I have most enjoyed were sequels to other developers' franchises (Fallout: New Vegas and KOTOR II). I thought Alpha Protocol was awful, which is a shame since its setting was novel for an RPG.

You know what? I am probably going to buy Dragon Age III and may very well pre-order it, depending to my reaction to ACTUAL information about the game (and to a lesser extent, on pre-order bonuses). I may also one day purchase Project Eternity, based of course on reviews and word-of-mouth, rather than on the fact that it's an old-school WRPG, whatever that means. There are many old RPGs, most of them significantly different in gameplay and mechanics and some of them utterly sucking. A lot of the games list here are old enough to be considered "old-school" RPGs.

I might even pick up the enhanced version of Baldur's Gate if it's heavily discounted on Steam one of these days. I don't believe in paying top dollar for HD rereleases unless it's something I really, really love (e.g. FFXII if Square decided to go that route).

P.S. Shouldn't this be in the DA3 forum? I call shenanigans!!

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 13 décembre 2012 - 08:56 .

[kingsims]

Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 are both rush jobs by bioware. The level design and story in DA2 proves it and there is no conclusion to the plot arc (Unlike DA:O and Awakening).

Mass Effect 3 had an illogical ending and provided zero closure until they spent a bunch a months adding a DLC and don't get me started on day 1 character DLC non-sense which should be available to all those who pre-order/buy new regardless of editions.

I am extremely dissapointed. Mass Effect 4 and Dragon Age 3 will not be on my pre-order list at all. I suggest you look at obsidians Eternity for a true classic RPG that isn't a rush job.

Modifié par kingsims, 31 décembre 2012 - 11:56 .

[aries1001]

No, we don't need to buy DA3, but I will probably buy it anyway. Since I like Bioware and their games. And always have done so. Games have evolved since 1995 or 1996 where Bioware made Shattered Steel and Baldur's Gate 1. And here's some news for you. People were mad at Bioware even in 1996-1998, because Bioware did not include the turnbased combat that was in the crpgs at the time. And then when BG2 rolled around people were mad because BG2 did away with the exploration that was in BG1. And then when Jade Empire rolled around people were mad again, because this game had a realtime combat system. And then when DA: O came along people were mad because it didn't have en epic scope as BG2 did - and so on so forth etc. etc.

The point is this: Many people have always been mad at Bioware, you should see the discussion and arguments we had when Mass Effect rolled around, with its focus on cinematics and the dialogue wheel. A small number of very vocal people, it seems, still have issues with Bioware not including turnbased combat in BG1 and BG2.

It is nothing new that people are mad at Bioware - however, Bioware, like us, need to evolve to stay alive.

[TuringPoint]

I would recommend The Walking Dead as well.  However, I can't think of a choice I made in the series that mattered beyond altering one or two lines of dialogue. The actual effects of your choices were no more far-reaching or tangible than most of the choices you make in Mass Effect; however I feel I could comfortably argue they did a better job of giving you the illusion of choice.

Beyond that, it should be clarified that the game is not an RPG.  The protagonist is unchangeable aside from his choices.

Modifié par Alocormin, 02 janvier 2013 - 04:34 .

[Ponendus]

Wow. What got you all riled up? Everything I have heard about DA3 is indicative of BioWare taking positive steps and eliminating the bad from DA2. Which is the opposite to what you are saying.

[DisturbedJim83]

Basically the OP won't settle for anything other than a DAO copy paste job personally I love DA2 and while I have DAO:UE I find it to be at best an average game that neither bores me or excites me and before you rant back I dont care how many awards it won X years ago because all that says is that a bunch of random self declared experts thought it was the "best" available, and having gone over some of the reviews written at the time as well as recent claims by its fans then comparing it to my play experience I'm starting to wonder what halluginigenic drugs they have been ingesting or whether they were wearing rose tinted shades as they played this

[vinak]

If Bioware had any brains, they'd "remake" Origins in my opinion. Stretch the entirety of the DA: O story into 3 games.

The first game would start with your recruitment into the Grey Wardens. The focus would be learning what it means to be a warden, developing relationships with the wardens, and finally learning of the blight. The game would end at Ostagar. The second game would start in Flemeth's hut. The focus would be on building an army, rebuilding the Grey Wardens, and dealing with Loghain's betrayal. The Third game would deal with fighting the blight, and conclude the conflict with Loghain.

That ship set sail long ago though.

I don't really care for the direction they are moving the story.

Modifié par vinak, 07 janvier 2013 - 03:35 .

[Faust1979]

I'm getting DA3 when it comes out and I don't care much about playing Project Eternity I will get South Park the stick of truth.

[Bizantura]

You stick to your guns. I don't allways agree the route Bioware chooses but I am sick and tired with the negativity this compagny has to endure.

[Noctis Augustus]

This pretty much sums up what I think of DA2:

[LobselVith8]

FaWa wrote...

Every peice of information Bioware has given us about DA3 has been bad news. You know why Skyrim was so succesful? It excited people with new features and cool things. Everything we have seen about DA3 is talking about the bad things in DA2 that are staying. Everything we saw about DA2 was all the features being removed from Origins. Good job Bioware! 

I can understand that feeling. Inquisition is going to return the voiced protagonist and the paraphrasing from Dragon Age II, it's going to be "human only" again, and it's uncertain if the atheist option will actually return for players who dislike being limited to a religiously Andrastian protagonist. I think I'm not alone as one of the people who will wait to see what the reviews, and other players, have to say about Inquisition once it's released.

[Vincent Laww]

I think regardless of what direction Dragon Age Inquisition takes, I'll probably purchase it simply to get closure on the Dragon Age Universe. I hate having unresolved questions roiling around in my mind, I need at very least some of my many questions answered. Even if find the bare minimum requirements met in regard to unresolved riddles, then I finally can put this narrative to sleep.