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[Ryoten]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Maybe they just really like the game?

They like it a little too much.

They put themselves in the line of fire with fans in order to defend it. This is not just liking the game, this is saying you have a vested interest.

I don't see why a writer on a video game website shouldn't be allowed to defend a game he likes.

Read some reviews on gamerankings, and you will see a "review".  Read a review by IGN on ME3, and you see what is quite possibly the largest crusader statements just to say "were right, and you're wrong" .

[Deemz]

john_sheparrd wrote...

Mass effect 3 totally deserves it
and the whiners can ****** off!

Maybe it does but if they put you in the game do you think anyone would take your opinion of it being GOTY or do you think people could possibly see your opinion as a slight bit biased?

[Someone With Mass]

Clivemax69 wrote...

Did EA pay off 34 review outlets? Based on Metacritic that is how many have scored ME3 on X360 a 95 or higher. Or how about the 63 outlets that scored it a 90 or higher?

A lot of those reviews could just be from small bloggers or sites that aren't really publicly known.

Seriously, I don't even know of twenty video game reviewers.

[LinksOcarina]

Ryoten wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

The fact that someone who works at IGN got a prominant spot in a video game?  DUH!  This means that there was a conscious decision made by a party at BioWare and a party at IGN to put Chobit in the game.  You can denie it because thats how business negotiations and contracts work.  They could have gone for someone with more acting skill and potential (say someone with a name).  But they didn't.  They took no-name chobit from IGN.

So IGN gets recognition from one of their cast being in a BioWare game.  What does BioWare get?  Revenue from reviews and payoffs from IGN.  Trust me bub, ive been in the corporate world a lot longer than you.  I know how these things work.

I've already told you that this isn't proof. Repeating the same thing over and over again won't make your failed point relevant.

Show. Me. Concrete. Proof.

If you have none why should I believe your claims? 

The proof is in your face.  You are OUTRIGHT denieing how basic business works.  It's your counter logic that fails because all you keep doing to counter my evidence is state strawman arguements.  And all you do, is provide failed counter arguments by denieing anything i am saying with the same "one liners".   Get a damn educations.  Take some business classes and learn how the world works when it comes to business and corporations.

Actually, it seems like you need to be taught a lesson real quick.

Basic business practices in such a case would likely sign a contract to lease Chobot to BioWare for a voice recording session. I highly doubt an exchange of money or fees was made by Chobot or by IGN to EA or BioWare to give them a good grade, because such an exchange would then be on BioWare's fiscal year report back at the end of the 2011-2012 results.

Simply put, that did not happen and has little to do with business at all. Now IGN should recuse themselves from naming anything game of the year because of this, but its highly doubtful that money was exhanged to get a good grade, considering that would be a bribe and illegal, and then both EA and IGN would be under criminal investigation for laundering, bribery and other white collar crimes that would show up in a fiscal report when expenses are unexplained.

So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. 

[LinksOcarina]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Clivemax69 wrote...

Did EA pay off 34 review outlets? Based on Metacritic that is how many have scored ME3 on X360 a 95 or higher. Or how about the 63 outlets that scored it a 90 or higher?

A lot of those reviews could just be from small bloggers or sites that aren't really publicly known.

Seriously, I don't even know of twenty video game reviewers.

*waves*

And I have yet to receive my check from EA for giving Mass Effect 3 an 8. Come on EA, show me how evil you are by proving the uninformed masses right! 

[Clivemax69]

Sion1138 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I don't see why a writer on a video game website shouldn't be allowed to defend a game he likes.

He's a journalist, not a knight defender. If he just likes it, why should he care that other people don't?

Plus, IGN pays him, they finance the videos. They're not going to let him get into a feud with fans just like that. Why would they damage their own popularity for just that one game?

That is not a sound business decision.

Your second sentence could be said about every single person on this site. Like for dislike the game, why should they care if other people have a different view about the game?

Edit: Also, IGN gave it a 9.5 not a 10.

Modifié par Clivemax69, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:45 .

[FlamingBoy]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Clivemax69 wrote...

Did EA pay off 34 review outlets? Based on Metacritic that is how many have scored ME3 on X360 a 95 or higher. Or how about the 63 outlets that scored it a 90 or higher?

A lot of those reviews could just be from small bloggers or sites that aren't really publicly known.

Seriously, I don't even know of twenty video game reviewers.

*waves*

And I have yet to receive my check from EA for giving Mass Effect 3 an 8. Come on EA, show me how evil you are by proving the uninformed masses right! 

ea only pays for 9.5 or above, you do not qualify for our check:P:P:P

[LinksOcarina]

FlamingBoy wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Clivemax69 wrote...

Did EA pay off 34 review outlets? Based on Metacritic that is how many have scored ME3 on X360 a 95 or higher. Or how about the 63 outlets that scored it a 90 or higher?

A lot of those reviews could just be from small bloggers or sites that aren't really publicly known.

Seriously, I don't even know of twenty video game reviewers.

*waves*

And I have yet to receive my check from EA for giving Mass Effect 3 an 8. Come on EA, show me how evil you are by proving the uninformed masses right! 

ea only pays for 9.5 or above, you do not qualify for our check:P:P:P

Considering they don't give out checks for review scores, I doubt anyone did .

[WYLDMAXX]

Good for Bioware and IGN. Maybe this will mean that my local gamestop can sell more used copies of ME3.

[Ryoten]

Basically what IGN is doing, is they're trying to get the last word on a topic that gave them a lot of bad publicity earlier in the year. And also put them at odds with the gaming community. I'll give you a scenario.

Imagine you are walking down a street, and someone pick pockets your wallet. You turn around and catch them in the act, and yell really loudly. Two cops come over and catch the guy. He's guilty. The end result that comes from this, is the community and neighborhood you live in comes together to defend you. Why? Because they know this guy is guilty for stealing your wallet. However.....The newspapers have a different view. They try to say that this thief was "a kind soul who only wanted to buy a sandwich", so he stole your wallet. Is that truly a bad thing? 10 OUT OF 10.

This causes outrage with the people, because the newspapers are defending a thief. He could have made better choices or asked for some money for food. But he didn't. He stole. Then the newspapers wright an article saying that everyone defending you, and calling the thief a criminal, are just a bunch of citizens who have entitlement issue when it comes to the law and protection.

The whole debacle causes the newspapers to lose credibility and possibly money. However at the end of the year, they have to make an article with the top stories of the year. They nominate this story of you being robbed as the best piece of reporting done for defending a saint who only wanted to buy a sandwich.

That is basically what this amounts to.

Modifié par Ryoten, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:49 .

[LinksOcarina]

Sion1138 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...


Actually, it seems like you need to be taught a lesson real quick.

Basic business practices in such a case would likely sign a contract to lease Chobot to BioWare for a voice recording session. I highly doubt an exchange of money or fees was made by Chobot or by IGN to EA or BioWare to give them a good grade, because such an exchange would then be on BioWare's fiscal year report back at the end of the 2011-2012 results.

Simply put, that did not happen and has little to do with business at all. Now IGN should recuse themselves from naming anything game of the year because of this, but its highly doubtful that money was exhanged to get a good grade, considering that would be a bribe and illegal, and then both EA and IGN would be under criminal investigation for laundering, bribery and other white collar crimes that would show up in a fiscal report when expenses are unexplained.

So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. 

So, should you ever want to pay someone off, would you do it over your bank account!?

See thats the problem. Eventually those expenses would be found because all you need to do is a tax audit.

Doesn't matter whose account it is, if it actually does happen, it will be caught by the auditors who look over the numbers at the end of each fiscal year report. So really, since no one has blown a whistle on this, perhaps the radical idea of review sites being paid off by publishers is full of ****. 

Just maybe, don't you think? 

As for under the table deals...then that would depend on people keeping their mouths shut. There is no way an industry-wide conspiracy would stay silent for so long if thats the case, and the few instances shown in the past about publishers trying to block low review scores are cases where the publisher had egg on their face, so the practice stopped. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:53 .

[Someone With Mass]

Clivemax69 wrote...
Your second sentence could be said about every single person on this site. Like for dislike the game, why should they care if other people have a different view about the game?

Edit: Also, IGN gave it a 9.5 not a 10.

I can tell you one thing. He's supposed to be a journalist, the fans aren't.

[LinksOcarina]

Ryoten wrote...

Basically what IGN is doing, is they're trying to get the last word on a topic that gave them a lot of bad publicity earlier in the year. And also put them at odds with the gaming community. I'll give you a scenario.

Imagine you are walking down a street, and someone pick pockets your wallet. You turn around and catch them in the act, and yell really loudly. Two cops come over and catch the guy. He's guilty. The end result that comes from this, is the community and neighborhood you live in comes together to defend you. Why? Because they know this guy is guilty for stealing your wallet. However.....The newspapers have a different view. They try to say that this thief was "a kind soul who only wanted to buy a sandwich", so he stole your wallet. Is that truly a bad thing? 10 OUT OF 10.

This causes outrage with the people, because the newspapers are defending a thief. He could have made better choices or asked for some money for food. But he didn't. He stole. Then the newspapers right an article saying that everyone defending you, and calling the thief a criminal, are just a bunch of citizens who have entitlement issue when it comes to the law and protection.

The whole debacle causes the newspapers to lose credibility and possibly money. However at the end of the year, they have to make an article with the top stories of the year. They nominate this story of you being robbed as the best piece of reporting done for defending a saint who only wanted to buy a sandwich.

That is basically what this amounts to.

not a good strawman since it is way off the mark in the end.

The newspapers don't report the news subjectively like that. That is the reviewers job to do that. There are objective criticisms you can make, but if a journalist can justify the good and bad and give it a score they feel it deserves, thats not corruption thats journalistic integrity.

and to be clear, IGN is not a site that can do that. But to broadly paint journalists, even IGN, for doing this for publicity, is a bit silly, especially considering IGN doesn't need publicity to begin with since they are one of the top 5 video game news sites out there. 

[clarkusdarkus]

Sion1138 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I don't see why a writer on a video game website shouldn't be allowed to defend a game he likes.

He's a journalist, not a knight defender. If he just likes it, why should he care that other people don't?

Plus, IGN pays him, they finance the videos. They're not going to let him get into a feud with fans just like that. Why would they damage their own popularity for just that one game?

That is not a sound business decision.

PS: Also, I completely forgot about Jessica Chobot.

So what we have is:

- One of their employees prominently featured in the game.
- A clean 10/10 score.
- Videos made to defend the game and call fans "entitled".
- Nomination for game of the year.

They really, really, really like that game.

And yet still people think journalism isn't corrupt and handled by corporate mongs........There isnt one part of ME3 that is RPG.......dragons dogma was better than ME3 and it didnt even get a mention. 

IGN are the leading site i believe when it comes to videogames, News of the world was the biggest selling newspaper in england........................yet it had to get shut down because of scandals and propaganda......

[BonFire5]

Ryoten wrote...

Basically what IGN is doing, is they're trying to get the last word on a topic that gave them a lot of bad publicity earlier in the year. And also put them at odds with the gaming community. I'll give you a scenario.

Imagine you are walking down a street, and someone pick pockets your wallet. You turn around and catch them in the act, and yell really loudly. Two cops come over and catch the guy. He's guilty. The end result that comes from this, is the community and neighborhood you live in comes together to defend you. Why? Because they know this guy is guilty for stealing your wallet. However.....The newspapers have a different view. They try to say that this thief was "a kind soul who only wanted to buy a sandwich", so he stole your wallet. Is that truly a bad thing? 10 OUT OF 10.

This causes outrage with the people, because the newspapers are defending a thief. He could have made better choices or asked for some money for food. But he didn't. He stole. Then the newspapers wright an article saying that everyone defending you, and calling the thief a criminal, are just a bunch of citizens who have entitlement issue when it comes to the law and protection.

The whole debacle causes the newspapers to lose credibility and possibly money. However at the end of the year, they have to make an article with the top stories of the year. They nominate this story of you being robbed as the best piece of reporting done for defending a saint who only wanted to buy a sandwich.

That is basically what this amounts to.

I really want to slow clap to this. Non sarcastic.

[The Night Mammoth]

If there's any 'paying off' it's not doubt a little more complex than a simple bribe, else, like LinksOcarina said, we would probably know by now.

But there's far too much advertising on gaming news sites like IGN for me to be comfortable trusting anything they say, and we know reviewers rarely ever finish a game completely before publishing what they think.

None of it really matters though. The game's been out for so long that it's just some pointless title they can spout to ensnare more customers. It won't change the game, so why should anyone on this website give a damn?

[Ryoten]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

The fact that someone who works at IGN got a prominant spot in a video game?  DUH!  This means that there was a conscious decision made by a party at BioWare and a party at IGN to put Chobit in the game.  You can denie it because thats how business negotiations and contracts work.  They could have gone for someone with more acting skill and potential (say someone with a name).  But they didn't.  They took no-name chobit from IGN.

So IGN gets recognition from one of their cast being in a BioWare game.  What does BioWare get?  Revenue from reviews and payoffs from IGN.  Trust me bub, ive been in the corporate world a lot longer than you.  I know how these things work.

I've already told you that this isn't proof. Repeating the same thing over and over again won't make your failed point relevant.

Show. Me. Concrete. Proof.

If you have none why should I believe your claims? 

The proof is in your face.  You are OUTRIGHT denieing how basic business works.  It's your counter logic that fails because all you keep doing to counter my evidence is state strawman arguements.  And all you do, is provide failed counter arguments by denieing anything i am saying with the same "one liners".   Get a damn educations.  Take some business classes and learn how the world works when it comes to business and corporations.

Actually, it seems like you need to be taught a lesson real quick.

Basic business practices in such a case would likely sign a contract to lease Chobot to BioWare for a voice recording session. I highly doubt an exchange of money or fees was made by Chobot or by IGN to EA or BioWare to give them a good grade, because such an exchange would then be on BioWare's fiscal year report back at the end of the 2011-2012 results.

Simply put, that did not happen and has little to do with business at all. Now IGN should recuse themselves from naming anything game of the year because of this, but its highly doubtful that money was exhanged to get a good grade, considering that would be a bribe and illegal, and then both EA and IGN would be under criminal investigation for laundering, bribery and other white collar crimes that would show up in a fiscal report when expenses are unexplained.

So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. 

Really so i guess people just work for free now?  Gee, and people wonder why society is degrading.

"So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. "

awwwww did hurt your delicate little feelings.  It's ok, you'll grow up and enter the real world someday.  Then you'll realize how capitalism and free markets work.  And realize the society isnt a utopia. 

Also, telling me to shut up!?! *monacle pops out of eye* How rude and a brute!

[NeitherNor]

If you don't think IGN is a reputable site, why does it matter to you which games they 'nominate' for some goofy GOTY title?

If you liked ME3 - fine, great! You don't need IGN to give it a title to enjoy the game! And if you didn't - would you really be convinced by some website's award? It doesn't matter!

Modifié par NeitherNor, 05 décembre 2012 - 10:00 .

[LinksOcarina]

Ryoten wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

The fact that someone who works at IGN got a prominant spot in a video game?  DUH!  This means that there was a conscious decision made by a party at BioWare and a party at IGN to put Chobit in the game.  You can denie it because thats how business negotiations and contracts work.  They could have gone for someone with more acting skill and potential (say someone with a name).  But they didn't.  They took no-name chobit from IGN.

So IGN gets recognition from one of their cast being in a BioWare game.  What does BioWare get?  Revenue from reviews and payoffs from IGN.  Trust me bub, ive been in the corporate world a lot longer than you.  I know how these things work.

I've already told you that this isn't proof. Repeating the same thing over and over again won't make your failed point relevant.

Show. Me. Concrete. Proof.

If you have none why should I believe your claims? 

The proof is in your face.  You are OUTRIGHT denieing how basic business works.  It's your counter logic that fails because all you keep doing to counter my evidence is state strawman arguements.  And all you do, is provide failed counter arguments by denieing anything i am saying with the same "one liners".   Get a damn educations.  Take some business classes and learn how the world works when it comes to business and corporations.

Actually, it seems like you need to be taught a lesson real quick.

Basic business practices in such a case would likely sign a contract to lease Chobot to BioWare for a voice recording session. I highly doubt an exchange of money or fees was made by Chobot or by IGN to EA or BioWare to give them a good grade, because such an exchange would then be on BioWare's fiscal year report back at the end of the 2011-2012 results.

Simply put, that did not happen and has little to do with business at all. Now IGN should recuse themselves from naming anything game of the year because of this, but its highly doubtful that money was exhanged to get a good grade, considering that would be a bribe and illegal, and then both EA and IGN would be under criminal investigation for laundering, bribery and other white collar crimes that would show up in a fiscal report when expenses are unexplained.

So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. 

Really so i guess people just work for free now?  Gee, and people wonder why society is degrading.

"So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. "

awwwww did hurt your delicate little feelings.  It's ok, you'll grow up and enter the real world someday.  Then you'll realize how capitalism and free markets work.  And realize the society isnt a utopia. 

Also, telling me to shut up!?! *monacle pops out of eye* How rude and a brute!

Considering you are no doubt a teenager who has no clue what the hell he is saying, someone needed to put you in your place. Might as well be the guy who taught kids for a living, before capitalism realized that new hires in the workforce cost more money in the long run. 

And no, people don't work for free now. Likely Chobot was paid for her services. In the gaming world previews and interviews are usually when payment happens, reviews actually are rarely paid outside of a free copy of the game. The other payments include going to press junkets and events, free hotel rooms and parties and what not to impress people. 

That is more of an issue than bad review scores. That is also slowly changing, because the big companies are spending less on press junkets in Las Vegas and more time on junkets in actual meeting rooms, The former was a party that makes giving a review score less impartial. The latter is more business-like and fair. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 05 décembre 2012 - 10:00 .

[Ryoten]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

The fact that someone who works at IGN got a prominant spot in a video game?  DUH!  This means that there was a conscious decision made by a party at BioWare and a party at IGN to put Chobit in the game.  You can denie it because thats how business negotiations and contracts work.  They could have gone for someone with more acting skill and potential (say someone with a name).  But they didn't.  They took no-name chobit from IGN.

So IGN gets recognition from one of their cast being in a BioWare game.  What does BioWare get?  Revenue from reviews and payoffs from IGN.  Trust me bub, ive been in the corporate world a lot longer than you.  I know how these things work.

I've already told you that this isn't proof. Repeating the same thing over and over again won't make your failed point relevant.

Show. Me. Concrete. Proof.

If you have none why should I believe your claims? 

The proof is in your face.  You are OUTRIGHT denieing how basic business works.  It's your counter logic that fails because all you keep doing to counter my evidence is state strawman arguements.  And all you do, is provide failed counter arguments by denieing anything i am saying with the same "one liners".   Get a damn educations.  Take some business classes and learn how the world works when it comes to business and corporations.

Actually, it seems like you need to be taught a lesson real quick.

Basic business practices in such a case would likely sign a contract to lease Chobot to BioWare for a voice recording session. I highly doubt an exchange of money or fees was made by Chobot or by IGN to EA or BioWare to give them a good grade, because such an exchange would then be on BioWare's fiscal year report back at the end of the 2011-2012 results.

Simply put, that did not happen and has little to do with business at all. Now IGN should recuse themselves from naming anything game of the year because of this, but its highly doubtful that money was exhanged to get a good grade, considering that would be a bribe and illegal, and then both EA and IGN would be under criminal investigation for laundering, bribery and other white collar crimes that would show up in a fiscal report when expenses are unexplained.

So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. 

Really so i guess people just work for free now?  Gee, and people wonder why society is degrading.

"So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. "

awwwww did hurt your delicate little feelings.  It's ok, you'll grow up and enter the real world someday.  Then you'll realize how capitalism and free markets work.  And realize the society isnt a utopia. 

Also, telling me to shut up!?! *monacle pops out of eye* How rude and a brute!

Considering you are no doubt a teenager who has no clue what the hell he is saying, someone needed to put you in your place. Might as well be the guy who taught kids for a living. 

And no, people don't work for free now. Likely Chobot was paid for her services. In the gaming world previews and interviews are usually when payment happens, reviews actually are rarely paid outside of a free copy of the game. The other payments include going to press junkets and events, free hotel rooms and parties and what not to impress people. 

That is more of an issue than bad review scores. That is also slowly changing, because the big companies are spending less on press junkets in Las Vegas and more time on junkets in actual meeting rooms. 

I'm actually 29 with a degree in Information Technology and working for the New York State Senate.  That's right, they put who people who don't have a clue in positions helping to run our governments.  Hows does that make you feel. =)

[LinksOcarina]

Ryoten wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

The fact that someone who works at IGN got a prominant spot in a video game?  DUH!  This means that there was a conscious decision made by a party at BioWare and a party at IGN to put Chobit in the game.  You can denie it because thats how business negotiations and contracts work.  They could have gone for someone with more acting skill and potential (say someone with a name).  But they didn't.  They took no-name chobit from IGN.

So IGN gets recognition from one of their cast being in a BioWare game.  What does BioWare get?  Revenue from reviews and payoffs from IGN.  Trust me bub, ive been in the corporate world a lot longer than you.  I know how these things work.

I've already told you that this isn't proof. Repeating the same thing over and over again won't make your failed point relevant.

Show. Me. Concrete. Proof.

If you have none why should I believe your claims? 

The proof is in your face.  You are OUTRIGHT denieing how basic business works.  It's your counter logic that fails because all you keep doing to counter my evidence is state strawman arguements.  And all you do, is provide failed counter arguments by denieing anything i am saying with the same "one liners".   Get a damn educations.  Take some business classes and learn how the world works when it comes to business and corporations.

Actually, it seems like you need to be taught a lesson real quick.

Basic business practices in such a case would likely sign a contract to lease Chobot to BioWare for a voice recording session. I highly doubt an exchange of money or fees was made by Chobot or by IGN to EA or BioWare to give them a good grade, because such an exchange would then be on BioWare's fiscal year report back at the end of the 2011-2012 results.

Simply put, that did not happen and has little to do with business at all. Now IGN should recuse themselves from naming anything game of the year because of this, but its highly doubtful that money was exhanged to get a good grade, considering that would be a bribe and illegal, and then both EA and IGN would be under criminal investigation for laundering, bribery and other white collar crimes that would show up in a fiscal report when expenses are unexplained.

So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. 

Really so i guess people just work for free now?  Gee, and people wonder why society is degrading.

"So yeah, shut up because that is not proof of anything but just IGN being ethically amoral. "

awwwww did hurt your delicate little feelings.  It's ok, you'll grow up and enter the real world someday.  Then you'll realize how capitalism and free markets work.  And realize the society isnt a utopia. 

Also, telling me to shut up!?! *monacle pops out of eye* How rude and a brute!

Considering you are no doubt a teenager who has no clue what the hell he is saying, someone needed to put you in your place. Might as well be the guy who taught kids for a living. 

And no, people don't work for free now. Likely Chobot was paid for her services. In the gaming world previews and interviews are usually when payment happens, reviews actually are rarely paid outside of a free copy of the game. The other payments include going to press junkets and events, free hotel rooms and parties and what not to impress people. 

That is more of an issue than bad review scores. That is also slowly changing, because the big companies are spending less on press junkets in Las Vegas and more time on junkets in actual meeting rooms. 

I'm actually 29 with a degree in Information Technology and working for the New York State Senate.  That's right, they put who people who don't have a clue in positions helping to run our governments.  Hows does that make you feel. =)

Sad because I live in New York. 

No wonder I can't get a job then, if you are part of the NYS Senate. 

so are you done trying to flex your e-penis or do you have anything relevant to say? Otherwise try to goad someone else into a fight. So far I am sitting here laughing at your immaturity.  

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 05 décembre 2012 - 10:14 .