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[Descy_]

is this a sexism war?

i always enjoy reading those.

ill bookmark this thread to read with my coffee tomorrow morning.

[Steelcan]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Sorry, was half watching a vid.

In that case if it is solely female soldier objectivization you were talking about, Halo has none.

But on the whole it is not exempt from "sexing things up for gamers",

Absolutely, but in terms of frontline female soldiers, Halo wins

[spirosz]

Can we agree that Spiderman is artistic.

[DirtySHISN0]

Steelcan wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Sorry, was half watching a vid.

In that case if it is solely female soldier objectivization you were talking about, Halo has none.

But on the whole it is not exempt from "sexing things up for gamers",

Absolutely, but in terms of frontline female soldiers, Halo wins

There aren't that many of them.

All of the cool supporting cast spartan II's are killed off in the books. The survivors are hidden in more books and only Kat, palmer and that redhead from the other squad in infinity are ever shown in the games. Plus i dont remember seeing any female marines since Halo 2, but that was maybe me just not paying attention.

They showed my favourite Kelly in forward unto dawn, but that was barely a line of dialogue.

[Lazengan]

I mean this mentality is absolutely stupid:



Women are oversexualized, emotional playthings

Men are hulking stupid brutes and heroic mimes for self inserting nerds

LoL Western values of gender roles.

At least the Japanese do it right. Oversexualization is done for the lulz (bayonetta). More Female characters are defined for who they are instead of what they look like, and Male characters look much less abrassive at least.

[Descy_]

spirosz wrote...

Can we agree that Spidermangirl is artistic.

damn str8, yo.






AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lazengan]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

fun fact:

a lot of artists are female

Kind of half the artists who draw sexualized costumes and characters are female
(see the actual difference between male artists and female artists is that female artists actually understand human anatomy, and males either don't or exaggerate for the lulz; see bayonetta)

All the bloody dress mods on Skyrim Nexus are made by female modders. All Fanart on Deviant Art have female authors

Dress mods yes....revealing mods no....they are mostly male modders....Note how few revealing outfits there are for male characters....reveal for female characters far outweigh reveal for male characters.....but that's not stock/vanilla game....a higher standard of professionalism should be expected from gaming companies. I have absolutley no issue with revealing outfits, my modded Skyrim is quite naughty at times....but I would expect equal handling of male and female charcters in a stock game, whether that be revealing/sexulized or not.

dude you would hate my skyrim playthrough

it's absolutely filthy

think of the most degenerate basement dweller fantasies and that's what one of my characters has

Modifié par Lazengan, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:08 .

[Joran Anduril]

Didn't read the whole thread, but honestly, Miranda's catsuit has never bothered me. The ass shots are a bit much (obvious Bioware is obvious), but... meh. Ditto Samara and the space boobs of doom. It's pretty basic fan service, but the characters clearly had a lot more going on than just T&A, so it doesn't bother me.

What DID bother me was "sexifying" Ashley when she looked FINE in ME1. She's a MARINE. She looked like a marine in ME1. Suddenly, she shows up in ME3 wearing lip gloss, a ridiculously expensive haircut, and a Miranda-esque catsuit? I had no problem with the catsuit for Miranda - that was her character, like it or not. It was very much not Ashley's character, but apparently Bioware decided she needed to be "sexy" now, as if she wasn't in ME1. So yeah, that sort of thing bothers me quite a bit - that a perfectly well-developed female character had her entire identity and appearance revamped in order to be more fanservicey. Yuck.

The only other thing I can think of that really got my goat was a dev quote, from I don't remember who, before the game about why there hadn't been any female turians, and the dev responded with something awful like 'what, are we supposed to put lipstick on a turian?' As if that's what makes a woman a woman; lipstick. As if we would only want female turians if Bioware could figure out a way to make them "sexy." That quote grossed me out so much. Oh, and look, Nyreen managed to have a really cool design without any lipstick. Funny how that turned out.

Edit:  oh yes, and EDI cameltoe.  So very unnecessary.

Modifié par Joran Anduril, 07 décembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[DirtySHISN0]

 Deary me, is it that time already?


did somebody say spiderman thread?

[Steelcan]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Sorry, was half watching a vid.

In that case if it is solely female soldier objectivization you were talking about, Halo has none.

But on the whole it is not exempt from "sexing things up for gamers",

Absolutely, but in terms of frontline female soldiers, Halo wins

There aren't that many of them.

All of the cool supporting cast spartan II's are killed off in the books. The survivors are hidden in more books and only Kat, palmer and that redhead from the other squad in infinity are ever shown in the games. Plus i dont remember seeing any female marines since Halo 2, but that was maybe me just not paying attention.

They showed my favourite Kelly in forward unto dawn, but that was barely a line of dialogue.

There are plenty of female marines in 3, Reach, ODST, etc..

[KiwiQuiche]

Obvakhi wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Wifflebottom wrote...
Samara
A nearly thousand-year-old alien, and a member of an ancient monastic order following a strict honor code. None of that screams "cleavage window and heels" to me. She is supposed to be a mystic warrior and if the designers wanted to make her more feminine there are other ways to do that. I don't understand why character designers seem to think feminine= cleavage and heels

I find it funny that people complain about Samara's cleavage while Thane's chest is exposed just as much as Samara's... yet no one blinks an eye.

Oh come on, Thane has nowhere near as much hanging out as Samara; also he has a medical reason to have his chest exposed for more oxygen ventilation, so he kinda has an excuse.

Then why doesn't Kolyat have the same thing?...

Lol because why bother giving Kolyat new clothes? Easier just to change his head a bit and volia, Thane's kid.

[DirtySHISN0]

Steelcan wrote...

There are plenty of female marines in 3, Reach, ODST, etc..

Touché.

Must not have been paying attention.

[KiwiQuiche]

Lathrim wrote...

aMytallica wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Wifflebottom wrote...
Samara
A nearly thousand-year-old alien, and a member of an ancient monastic order following a strict honor code. None of that screams "cleavage window and heels" to me. She is supposed to be a mystic warrior and if the designers wanted to make her more feminine there are other ways to do that. I don't understand why character designers seem to think feminine= cleavage and heels

I find it funny that people complain about Samara's cleavage while Thane's chest is exposed just as much as Samara's... yet no one blinks an eye.

Oh come on, Thane has nowhere near as much hanging out as Samara; also he has a medical reason to have his chest exposed for more oxygen ventilation, so he kinda has an excuse.

Thane was a character designed purely to appeal to the female audience. There's no difference. Would you have felt differently if Samara had a medical reason?..

This is true.

I would.
 Also, Thane is an assassin; makes sense he isn't in thick armour. Justicars are usually in places where the fighting is thickest; Samara even outright says so in ME3 so her strutting about in heels with her chest exposed it stupid.

[Steelcan]

J. Reezy wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

There are plenty of female marines in 3, Reach, ODST, etc..

Indeed...

And there's nothing oversexualized here. Halo pulls off female marines quite well.

Not armor.

[o Ventus]

So nobody is going to point out James' 12-pack abs or his car sized arms? How about Jacob, who's chest is higher-rez than his face? Or Thane, who was literally made to be a love interest? What about Steve, Kaidan, and MShep, the latter of which is literally a male model.

Like earlier, is it somehow less sexist when it's the men who are objectified? Why do only 2 other people in this thread even acknowledge the point and the hypocrisy surrounding the sexualizatiom of the genders? Everyone seems to be crying foul over Miranda's heels and suit, but James' Michelangelo chest gets a free pass?

[Steelcan]

o Ventus wrote...

So nobody is going to point out James' 12-pack abs or his car sized arms? How about Jacob, who's chest is higher-rez than his face? Or Thane, who was literally made to be a love interest? What about Steve, Kaidan, and MShep, the latter of which is literally a male model.

Like earlier, is it somehow less sexist when it's the men who are objectified? Why do only 2 other people in this thread even acknowledge the point and the hypocrisy surrounding the sexualizatiom of the genders? Everyone seems to be crying foul over Miranda's heels and suit, but James' Michelangelo chest gets a free pass?

I agree with you, but that's not the point of the thread

[Descy_]

Steelcan wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

So nobody is going to point out James' 12-pack abs or his car sized arms? How about Jacob, who's chest is higher-rez than his face? Or Thane, who was literally made to be a love interest? What about Steve, Kaidan, and MShep, the latter of which is literally a male model.

Like earlier, is it somehow less sexist when it's the men who are objectified? Why do only 2 other people in this thread even acknowledge the point and the hypocrisy surrounding the sexualizatiom of the genders? Everyone seems to be crying foul over Miranda's heels and suit, but James' Michelangelo chest gets a free pass?

I agree with you, but that's not the point of the thread

the point is that biower is a bunch of male chauvinistic pigs.

release the femshep trailer, biowerrrrrr!

[KiwiQuiche]

Oh and in regards to Thane's 'boobage' here is the part in the Shadow Broker Dossiers "...Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem. "
He, at least, has an excuse. And where does it say his sole purpose was to be a LI?

With James and the rest of the men, they wear amour when appropriate (Barring Jacob but he's a cheating skank anyway)

True, James looks stupid, the rest of the males body types fit the fact they having to wear heavy armour and use heavy weaponry; of course they would have muscle tone. Frankly I hate the way Femshep is stupidly skinny.

Also, Steve, Kaiden and Sheploo all have the same body 'cause Bioware couldn't be bothered changing models in the topless scenes. :I

[Joran Anduril]

o Ventus wrote...

So nobody is going to point out James' 12-pack abs or his car sized arms? How about Jacob, who's chest is higher-rez than his face? Or Thane, who was literally made to be a love interest? What about Steve, Kaidan, and MShep, the latter of which is literally a male model.

Like earlier, is it somehow less sexist when it's the men who are objectified? Why do only 2 other people in this thread even acknowledge the point and the hypocrisy surrounding the sexualizatiom of the genders? Everyone seems to be crying foul over Miranda's heels and suit, but James' Michelangelo chest gets a free pass?

That's why I don't care about Miranda, Samara, et al being "sexy."  My gripe is that Ashley got a "makeover," which implied that ME1 Ashley both a) wasn't sexy enough and that was clearly a problem, so she had to be given a new haircut, heels, a catsuit, and lip gloss.  And while we get to see EDI's cameltoe, I can promise you that there is no corresponding boner bulge we get to check out on any of the male characters.  I don't care about fanservice at all.  I do care when Bioware seems to regress over the course of 3 games and "fix" female characters who didn't need fixing because oh noes, she wasn't "sexy" enough!

[Steelcan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh and in regards to Thane's 'boobage' here is the part in the Shadow Broker Dossiers "...Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem. "
He, at least, has an excuse. And where does it say his sole purpose was to be a LI?

With James and the rest of the men, they wear amour when appropriate (Barring Jacob but he's a cheating skank anyway)

True, James looks stupid, the rest of the males body types fit the fact they having to wear heavy armour and use heavy weaponry; of course they would have muscle tone. Frankly I hate the way Femshep is stupidly skinny.

Also, Steve, Kaiden and Sheploo all have the same body 'cause Bioware couldn't be bothered changing models in the topless scenes. :I

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