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[LanceSolous13]

Anyways, It didn't bother me in ME2.

Miranda viewed herself as a tool more or less. Everything was to her advantage. If showing of her cerves was an advantage, She'd use it to gain the upper hand. She states this in her first conversation on the Normandy and the camera angle suggests as much.

Jack didn't really care; or at least tries to show that she doesn't depending on your interpretation. She was low on the self-esteem totem pole. When Shepard cares enough about her to gain her Loyalty Mission, What do you get? She puts on a shirt. I interpreted this as she gained some self-esteem or self-value when someone finally cared for her.

[Shinobu]

I thought the treatment of women in the trilogy deteriorated from 1-3. Shepard's boobs and butt inflated over the course of the trilogy and the female NPCs went from wearing practical armor to wearing skin tight outfits that showed freaking ******.

In general I'm not against revealing clothing if it fits the character and she's not built like a porn star. For example, I was fine with Morrigan's default outfit in DAO and Jack's shirt made of belts in ME2 because they had a reasonable bust size and it fit their personalities. On the other hand, Samara's saggy melons and Isabella's twin dirigibles were offputting; Samara because revealing clothing didn't seem in line with her ascetic lifestyle and Isabella because it felt like pandering. I know women with breasts the size of Isabella's and believe me, jumping around with daggers is the last thing you want to do when you're overendowed.

I found the Miranda butt shots amusing because the same camera angles were used to show off Sheploo and Garrus' butts, so it seemed like a joke.

[KingZayd]

krukow wrote...

thehomeworld wrote...
Does BW make you feel like they're catering more to the male players

Femshep has 3 lesbian romances that go to the end of the game (Kelly, Traynor, Liara)
She has 2 potential straight romances that go to the end of the game (Garrus and Kaiden), one of whom is bi, one of whom can't be romanced without an import.

BIOWARE.
HATES.
WOMEN.

No.
Bioware just assumes everyone loves women.

Modifié par KingZayd, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:46 .

[Nightwriter]

ME1 was a refreshing sample of reality. The clothes made sense. Only thing I had to put up with was that ridiculous Benezia boob closeup. Honestly, who directs these things?

ME2 decided to forgo sense in favor of titillation. Was not thrilled. Miranda's catsuit doesn't even really fit her character, unless she uses desirableness as a professional tool often enough to necessitate wearing it constantly, which she doesn't. Oversexualization compromised her character.

Had no serious complaints with Jack. It was obvious Jack was not the traditional picture of male fanservice, and I didn't feel like they were aiming for titillation. Seemed more like they just wanted to show off her tats like they said in the art book. I get that, but in the vacuum of space...

Samara? Her succubus daughter dressed more conservatively than she did.

femShep's Stolen Memory dress however was fine. It's a party, you're supposed to dress up.

It's worth pointing out that a few male characters were kind of sexed up as well, btw.

Could not care less about how they dress Allers.

I liked Ashley's new look from the neck up. Everything from the neck down is character derailment.

Anyway I dislike all these things more because they don't fit the characters than because they are an assault on feminism.

[Loreshield]

 Ugh... I can either have a likeable character or a likeable character that also offers some eye candy. Given this choice, I will probably pick the same option every time.
It's not like it's breaking the characters for me... Why does it always have to be about looks?! 

[Reth Shepherd]

Loreshield wrote...

 Ugh... I can either have a likeable character or a likeable character that also offers some eye candy. Given this choice, I will probably pick the same option every time.
It's not like it's breaking the characters for me... Why does it always have to be about looks?! 

Because it doesn't fit the characters? Jack and Miranda, it did. Femshep (compare her from ME1 to ME3) did not. Ashley REALLY did not! Edi...many people don't like it, but I can see it. TIM built the body, not her, and TIM was mentioned in LotSB to have a rather impressive libido. (No, seriously! Look it up!) Given that, and that it was hinted ingame that he'd slept with the bot (I imagine not having to worry about it turning out to be a spy/enemy and literally stabbing him in the back was another plus), it's not hard for me to imagine TIM giving orders to have the chest/butt enhanced. (Probably accompanied by an eye-roll from the designer!) And Edi is both curious in general and interested in Joker in specific. Given a chance to study human mating behavior, she likely regarded her new body as a perfect tool for some social experimentation. That said, I find it a little odd that she didn't explore the idea of 'clothes'.

I'm going to guess that you're either male or a lesbian?

I'm just grateful that the catalyst didn't appear in the form of Miranda's butt.

Better than what we got! Hey, at least we could have gotten a laugh out of that whole ordeal!

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 06 décembre 2012 - 06:07 .

[LanceSolous13]

Nightwriter wrote...
ME2 decided to forgo sense in favor of titillation. Was not thrilled. Miranda's catsuit doesn't even really fit her character, unless she uses desirableness as a professional tool often enough to necessitate wearing it constantly, which she doesn't. Oversexualization compromised her character.

Well, Technically, Miranda is there to get Shepard on Cerberus' side. If looking sleak and sexy is what it takes to convince Shepard on a purely asthetic scale, then that's what it takes.

Also, I would like to point out that she was 'designed' in universe to be perfect in every way by a male character who, depending on your interpretation of Miranda's explination of his 'dynasty', possibly would have impregnated her. Her sexualization is slightly the point.

[David7204]

The crew not having suits in space has absolutely nothing to do with 'showing them off.' That is ridiculous. It has to do with how difficult is to to animate characters' faces when they're wearing a helmet.

[Maxster_]

David7204 wrote...

The crew not having suits in space has absolutely nothing to do with 'showing them off.' That is ridiculous. It has to do with how difficult is to to animate characters' faces when they're wearing a helmet.

Yeah, that is why ME1 failed badly.
Some excuses for EAWare are just pathetic.

[David7204]

Some attacks are just moronic. ME 1 had a total of maybe a half dozen conversations that took place in inhospital locations?

[David7204]

Some attacks are just moronic. ME 1 had a total of maybe a half dozen conversations that took place in inhospital locations?

Anyone with two neurons to rub together ought to be able to guess that animating a character with a mask is a lot harder than animating a character without one. I gues that's just too much to ask out of you.

[Reth Shepherd]

David7204 wrote...

Some attacks are just moronic. ME 1 had a total of maybe a half dozen conversations that took place in inhospital locations?

Anyone with two neurons to rub together ought to be able to guess that animating a character with a mask is a lot harder than animating a character without one. I gues that's just too much to ask out of you.

Technically, "animating" a character with a helmet is far easier because one doesn't have to actually animate the face. :innocent:

Someone remind me. The only characters I can remember who wore a breathing mask instead of a helmet were female. Are there ANY exceptions to this?

[David7204]

Yes. Jacob.

And even if that wasn't the case, so the hell what? It's their face. A face is not fanservice.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Sil wrote...

After seeing how skanky women dress in this generation, it doesn't surprise me to have ladies of the future dressing as they do in Mass Effect. Hell, it's infinitely tamer and more civilised than what I see most days when I'm in town center (except for Jack's gear).

This so much.

[Maxster_]

David7204 wrote...

Some attacks are just moronic. ME 1 had a total of maybe a half dozen conversations that took place in inhospital locations?

And ME2 had a lot more of course. That is why Garrus had the helmet and full environmental suit, and Samara, Miranda and Jack had none.
Riight.
I know it is too much to ask you for a proof.

Especially funny with Garrus and Vega having those in ME3, and Liara have none.

Anyone with two neurons to rub together ought to be able to guess that animating a character with a mask is a lot harder than animating a character without one. I gues that's just too much to ask out of you.

Yeah, yeah, another pathetic attempt of insult from someone, who just walks into thread to post some pathetic excuses for EAWare.
Keep doing that, it is really entertaining.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

thehomeworld wrote...

Ok this is for female gammers to comment on do you like how they've potrayed the ladies of your crew clothing wise? Do you like or hate the fact that BW moved in ME2 - 3 to crew women characters who wore heels, had their bust barely staying in their attire, or flat out changed from modest to barbie doll?

Does BW make you feel like they're catering more to the male players by making the ladies of the Normandy wear the sexy outfits or do you feel ok with this fashionista potrayl and still feel respected as a woman playing their games?

The target audience is the male gamer. Gratuitous ass shots of Miranda. Miranda and Samara and Kasumi running around in heels on a job? Give me a break.

Before anyone cries strippers those are a give in back in ME they had them and their job was to allure at least their customers present at the facility the arm candy girls in Kasumi's mission make sense because that was their job as well but I'm talking about fshep's awful dresses, Allers outfits, Samara's, Jacks, ect.

And the alternate clothing packs cost money. So if we don't want to see we have to pay.

Obviously by my post you can see where I stand I thought in ME the Normandy crew women and fshep were potrayed well ME gave the impression to me that I (the female player) was respected and so where my female crew mates and main character all of us had hardsuits and our casual clothing wasn't too tight (more like casual fitting).

In ME2 I felt BW didn't respect my female crew or me as a female player because Jack shows up in an anime bra strap top, Samara's navel V-neck, fshep's horrible dress for Kasumi's mission, Miranda's cat suit w/ heels and ass shots to demand you pay it attention,  it screamed BW wanted eye candy same in ME3 Ash was modest and proffesional in ME now she's fahonista with cleavage look wise she was so radical she should've just been another person, not to mention all the girls got more of a bust line Aller's tight assed skirt with shots to demand you look at it again.

So am I alone on this as female gamers do you like the sexy female crew attire or not?

What about remidies?

On a military ship? No. EDI put a jump suit on. I don't care what Joker says.

For me one remedy would be to please both the males and the females is all female crewmen and female protagonist will be first seen and recruited in clothing that is either modest for casual wear or in hardsuits if you recruit this person in a battle area. Once on ship w/o having to do extra missions you auto get 3 outfits on them your sexy, cool but modest, and modest all these looks would be for casual clothing and hardsuits woudl be cool but made for protection like the BDTS armor was that was good looking for fshep but was practical too.

I would also tell BW right now when I say make them modest I don't mean give us burkas. We don't need our ladies coverd head to toe like the female krogan or wearing panchos we just need respectful clothing like ME had but with a bit more stylish flaire to it.

Mass Effect 1 had it right. The breathing masks in space were ridiculous. And the exposed skin in space was also ridiculous.

If femShep has to wear a dress to a party like in Stolen Memories will they at least teach her how to walk in one?

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 06 décembre 2012 - 07:52 .

[SilentK]

I got Miranda in that uniform as quickly as I could. Would have gotten one for Samara as well if it was possible.

[aMytallica]

thehomeworld wrote...

Does BW make you feel like they're catering more to the male players by making the ladies of the Normandy wear the sexy outfits or do you feel ok with this fashionista potrayl and still feel respected as a woman playing their games?

I am female, and no. Not at all. First of all, I don't think any of the women are over sexualised at all. Some of the female crew in the series dressed sexy sure, but every one of the female characters has depth and purpose. They aren't there purely for male gamers to ogle over. People use Miranda as an example but her character was also interesting. She quickly became one of my favourites in the series. 

Secondly. You can't bring up issues of too much flesh, tight clothing, and butt shots of the ME women when the male crew got the same treatment! Remember Jacobs suit? He also got the exact same shots as Miranda. Both Kaidan and James are shirtless in ME3. So no. I don't think BioWare cater solely to the male audience at all, those scenes make it pretty evident that BioWare are also aware of their female audience. I'd be a hypocrite to complain about the appearance of the female crew when BioWare gave me shirtless Kaidan

[nos_astra]

Nicottia wrote...
I'm a female player and tbh I don't care about "sexualization" of women in ME series. All I care about is that it should be realistic. I don't care what they wear ON the Normandy, they all could even run naked for all I care... but in combat, how the heck are they supposed to survive? 

I'm not against some eye candy but never at the expense of what is practical or professional.

You don't wear a cat suit in battle if you can have armor.
You don't run around in space with a breather mask and a cat suit (and potentially massive cleavage). (WTF BIOWARE!?)
You don't run around naked on the Normandy because that's just unprofessional an a military ship (usually has a dress code), unless you're Jack trying to make a point and working for a terrorist organization.

Modifié par klarabella, 06 décembre 2012 - 09:48 .

[MrGMM88]

Its womyn not women you misogynistic pig
Better check your CIS privilege

[The_Sloth25]

Gotta say, when I first saw Samara I sighed so hard I almost blew the TV over. I don't mind Jack or Miranda so much (cause she's supposed to be perfect in 'every' way), but it's just stupid with Samara.

[steamcamel]

There's no such thing as 'female gamers' or 'male gamers'. There's just 'gamers'. You don't go around saying 'male gamers', do you? 

[avenging_teabag]

I don't really care one way or the other - sure, I prefer more reasonable outfits on my female characters, but i can't muster any kind of outrage about them being sexed up. I think i got conditioned to it over 15+ years of gaming, or something. Whatever. Anyway, Samara and Miranda are still two of my favorite NPCs in the entire series, though i might cackle sometimes at their t&a and battle heels. I like them as characters though, so it's okay. Jack shirtless-ness though, bugs me to no end, which has something to do, i guess, with the fact that i wholeheartedly loathe Jack as a character. The only one whose appearance truly irked me though, was ME3 Ashley, because that meant character assassination.

Can't really get all worked up about that stuff tho. ME2 was a good game despite Miranda's ass shots. ME3 was largely garbage, and the problems that wrecked it were much deeper than EDI's cameltoe.
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Modifié par avenging_teabag, 06 décembre 2012 - 10:36 .