What annoyed me about the gear is that they took a part of the game out that i liked in ME,
I spent ages wandering the galaxy trying to find Collossus X armour for everyone or Predator armour
In ME 2 it was all gone, instead they sold you sunglasses for Thane and crappy black armour for Miri,
and whats worse i ended up buying it, I just want my Collossus armour back, it took me ages to get it
Women Gamers and the style of the female crew
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#52
Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 11:12
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I care about plausibilty and dressing for the occasion.
*Exposed skin in space is ridiculous.
*Going into combat without at least some protection is ridiculous
*Walking around like on display when you're supposed to be inconspicuous is ridiculous.
I've had a female character in a fantasy game who I clad in skimpy clothing while trekking through arctic terrain. But (a) that was my choice - there were many different options, (
she was a fire mage and © it was a modded outfit.
*Exposed skin in space is ridiculous.
*Going into combat without at least some protection is ridiculous
*Walking around like on display when you're supposed to be inconspicuous is ridiculous.
I've had a female character in a fantasy game who I clad in skimpy clothing while trekking through arctic terrain. But (a) that was my choice - there were many different options, (
she was a fire mage and © it was a modded outfit.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 11:15
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In my cycle, women were expected to be properly equipped for combat. If they were not, we threw them and their quartermasters out the airlock.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 11:15
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And all the male characters were not pumped full of steroids? Kaiden, Steve, Shepard, Vega.
I also had a problem with my Shepard, being an Infiltrator, built like a brick ****-house. I mean Simo Hayha is the greatest sniper/solo soldier to exist and he was barely over 5 ft tall. Ripped bodies are useless for those type of military roles, they are bulky, need constant feeding, clumsy, tire easily, Thane has the perfect infiltrator frame. My Shepard was not a member of the chippendales in his spare time.
And Ladies, yes it is partly your fault we live in this kind of society, when you buy celebrity trash magazines and fashion magazines, where the profits all go into the pockets of rich male CEO's and board members. You effectively killed feminism, so don't whine about the fruits of your results.
I also had a problem with my Shepard, being an Infiltrator, built like a brick ****-house. I mean Simo Hayha is the greatest sniper/solo soldier to exist and he was barely over 5 ft tall. Ripped bodies are useless for those type of military roles, they are bulky, need constant feeding, clumsy, tire easily, Thane has the perfect infiltrator frame. My Shepard was not a member of the chippendales in his spare time.
And Ladies, yes it is partly your fault we live in this kind of society, when you buy celebrity trash magazines and fashion magazines, where the profits all go into the pockets of rich male CEO's and board members. You effectively killed feminism, so don't whine about the fruits of your results.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 11:48
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I liked the realistic approach of ME1. ME2 made it go downhill. I had no issues with Jack's outfit since it suited her character and she's not supposed to be a conventional person anyway. I found Miranda's constant buttshots a joke and considering that she was supposed to be a practical person who made sure that everything ran smoothly, it felt out of place for her to wear the outfit she did when out on the field. The AA pack armour should have been in the original game in the first place.
Samara's outfit was stupid as well. Her succubus daughter dressed more appropriate.
Then we have Ashley. Ashley was one of my favourite characters in ME1 and I loved that she dressed appropriately for her role as well. When I saw her new look for ME3 I went back to Virmire and saved Kaidan instead. Bit extreme yes, but I felt that I did not want to have the character I loved ruined in MY game.
As for FemShep, her boobs got larger with each game and the high heels in ME3 was a bit excessive.
Very annoying that they went from realistic to stupid.
Samara's outfit was stupid as well. Her succubus daughter dressed more appropriate.
Then we have Ashley. Ashley was one of my favourite characters in ME1 and I loved that she dressed appropriately for her role as well. When I saw her new look for ME3 I went back to Virmire and saved Kaidan instead. Bit extreme yes, but I felt that I did not want to have the character I loved ruined in MY game.
As for FemShep, her boobs got larger with each game and the high heels in ME3 was a bit excessive.
Very annoying that they went from realistic to stupid.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 11:57
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Of course they sexualize women inappropriately. Everyone does. It's disgusting. I'm pretty sure you won't be wearing heels in combat unless your feet naturally have an extended heel on the bottom of them.
Don't get me wrong, I like women. I just don't think I need to be pushed to pay attention to their body while I'm defusing a bomb or shooting husks. Not appropriate.
Oh and pretty sure you shouldn't be wearing makeup in combat. Unless there's some magical space makeup I'm unaware of, that crap will get messy.
Don't pin the blame game. Has it maybe ever occured to you that the ladies who are discussing these issues are not the ones buying that crap?
Also I'm pretty sure men in the military are physically fit.. so your other point is kind of invalid. Though, not every Alliance dude is taking steriods. Joker isn't very muscular.
Don't get me wrong, I like women. I just don't think I need to be pushed to pay attention to their body while I'm defusing a bomb or shooting husks. Not appropriate.
Oh and pretty sure you shouldn't be wearing makeup in combat. Unless there's some magical space makeup I'm unaware of, that crap will get messy.
Rosstoration wrote...
And Ladies, yes it is partly your fault we live in this kind of society, when you buy celebrity trash magazines and fashion magazines, where the profits all go into the pockets of rich male CEO's and board members. You effectively killed feminism, so don't whine about the fruits of your results.
Don't pin the blame game. Has it maybe ever occured to you that the ladies who are discussing these issues are not the ones buying that crap?
Also I'm pretty sure men in the military are physically fit.. so your other point is kind of invalid. Though, not every Alliance dude is taking steriods. Joker isn't very muscular.
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#57
Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:07
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The_Sloth25 wrote...
Gotta say, when I first saw Samara I sighed so hard I almost blew the TV over. I don't mind Jack or Miranda so much (cause she's supposed to be perfect in 'every' way), but it's just stupid with Samara.
Lol, I know what you mean. Samara's justice chest is beyond rediculous.
#58
Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:10
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Ultranovae wrote...
As a 28 year old guy The Miranda ass shots annoyed. I felt like BW was just catering to the 13 year olds. "Look, look, ass!!!"
And then my companions not wearing space suits in space. So you know, we can see samara's giant melons.
I don't mind some sexuality in video games, in fact I welcome it, but everything should have its place. With Miranda I her catsuit with a little respirator instead of a space suit it just pulls you out of the illusion.
Yeah, weird aint it?
I'm a male too, and I'm also very much a 'bottom man', but for some reason I also found the gratuitous Miranda ass shots to be annoying, I think for the same reason - It came across as very cynical, and at the same time juevenile - a blatant attempt to grab the attention of pubescent twids. I'd prefer to have my attention grabbed with powerful dialogue, and compelling stories. I felt Miranda's personal story was strong enough to stand up on it's own, without the need for juevenile camera angles.
As for the other characters, I have the alt appearance pack, and prefer Jack's leather jacket and shades outfit anyway - simply on the grounds that it's far more practical. Samara's heaving bosom never really bothered me much, she's kind of matronly in some respects, and somehow the look seemed to suit her. Samara never really struck me as a 'sexy' character. A tragic one certainly, and a striking one... but not a sexy one.
Never played Femshep (yet) so I have no idea what the famous dresses in ME2 and 3 look like, but presumably they are optional? (save for the Kasumi mission).
Speaking of Kasumi, what do people think about her appearance? and what about Liara?
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:20
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AshenSugar wrote...
Speaking of Kasumi, what do people think about her appearance? and what about Liara?
Kasumi's is interesting and mysterious because we never see her face, I suppose. I like Kasumi. I never took her on any missions because her powers were useless for my Shepards, but I like to go listen to her input (auto-dialogue) after missions.
I love Liara's LOTSB outfit. It reminded me of an armourous lab outfit, haha. Liara has been doing a great job at professionalism. I applaud.
Chakwas has been doing well, too. Just imagine if BioWare decided to do ass-shots on her..
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:22
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I only had mild problems with Samara, as that kind of cleavage appers to be kind of uncomfortable to me. I wouldn't like my ****** hanging out in a fresh breeze.
Apart from that I did not have the feeling that Bioware hates women or anything, we can be lucky that we have FemShep (and that she got more female animations in 3). All the Crewmembers had at least some character that overshadowed their clothing and assets.
I was more annoyed by the fact that almost every women on the Citadel, Omega and Illium wears a dress. Don't they have other fashion as well? And the stereotyping with Asasri can be discomforting as well. Okay, some of them are not strippers or commandos, but that is the minority.
But if you take into account that most of the core-gaming population is male, I tend to try and not get too frustrated by it. Bioware is technically even modest with their oversexualisation. It could be worse.
Apart from that I did not have the feeling that Bioware hates women or anything, we can be lucky that we have FemShep (and that she got more female animations in 3). All the Crewmembers had at least some character that overshadowed their clothing and assets.
I was more annoyed by the fact that almost every women on the Citadel, Omega and Illium wears a dress. Don't they have other fashion as well? And the stereotyping with Asasri can be discomforting as well. Okay, some of them are not strippers or commandos, but that is the minority.
But if you take into account that most of the core-gaming population is male, I tend to try and not get too frustrated by it. Bioware is technically even modest with their oversexualisation. It could be worse.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:34
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I'm not that bothered about the clothes. For me its just Miranda's ass that annoyed me...and the obvious camera action it got. Other than that nothing 
I'm not that bothered about the clothes. For me its just Miranda's ass that annoyed me...and the obvious camera action it got. Other than that nothing
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:37
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Miranda's butt got literally one shot in ME 2. One. So I don't where the hell these accusations that such shots were "constant" or "gratuitous" are coming from. How about we not pretend the camera followed her butt around like some of these comments seem to imply?
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:40
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O Rly?David7204 wrote...
Miranda's butt got literally one shot in ME 2. So I don't where the hell are these accusations that such shots were "constant" are coming from. How about we not pretend the camera followed her butt around like some of these comments seem to imply?
http://t1.gstatic.co...5NO4ig7xsIGjDAi
http://t3.gstatic.co...Wg7-hh5xldKzPIA
These took about 20s to find, imagine if I did an in depth search.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:43
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I have massive problems with female warriors wearing heels with armor. There is no cause for this. NONE. It is utterly inexcusable. The only reason it happens is because character designers like women in heels. Hence you get the abominations that are Miranda and Samara's armor design.
Female Shepard and Ashley Williams both do not do wear heels with their armor, and likely, it is because both women military enough to know how disadvantageous this would be. Kasumi Goto, our nimble gymnast thief, understands this and does not cripple her dexterity.
We would like to think that come 2183 or so,this particular fashion affectation would have vanished the more and more women see active duty both in military and in mercenary roles.
The fact that Samara wears heels is mind-boggling. The very idea that the Asari would wear high heels with their armor, much less with their regular clothing, is baffling. Where did this develop? I'm 99% certain that a warrior monk born from a mono-gendered species would not cripple their fighting or running ability by wearing footwear whose only purpose is to make the appearance of ones legs more appealing to the opposite sex. In short, why is this ancient alien warrior, who rarely leaves Asari space, wearing something designed by humans for the express purpose of making a female more physically appealing to human males while simultaneously affecting one's ability to move quickly? The fact that any Asari would wear heels when not trying to appear attractive to humans is ludicrous,
By contrast, Liara, an archeologist / information broker, doesn't wear them with her standard white armor.
Miranda, being human, should know better, and the fact that she wears them as well is also inexcusable. She may not be military, but she's athletic and extremely intelligent, and would know that the risks of that kind of footwear in combat are too significant. Coincidentally, she should never be wearing that appalling jumpsuit in combat missions, either. The first thing I did when I could was buy the alt appearance pack she was part of so she could have proper armor for field missions. It bothered me that much that I spent the $$ for it.
Jack, psychotic biotic with no formal military training, is again smart enough not to wear them.
Female Shepard and Ashley Williams both do not do wear heels with their armor, and likely, it is because both women military enough to know how disadvantageous this would be. Kasumi Goto, our nimble gymnast thief, understands this and does not cripple her dexterity.
We would like to think that come 2183 or so,this particular fashion affectation would have vanished the more and more women see active duty both in military and in mercenary roles.
The fact that Samara wears heels is mind-boggling. The very idea that the Asari would wear high heels with their armor, much less with their regular clothing, is baffling. Where did this develop? I'm 99% certain that a warrior monk born from a mono-gendered species would not cripple their fighting or running ability by wearing footwear whose only purpose is to make the appearance of ones legs more appealing to the opposite sex. In short, why is this ancient alien warrior, who rarely leaves Asari space, wearing something designed by humans for the express purpose of making a female more physically appealing to human males while simultaneously affecting one's ability to move quickly? The fact that any Asari would wear heels when not trying to appear attractive to humans is ludicrous,
By contrast, Liara, an archeologist / information broker, doesn't wear them with her standard white armor.
Miranda, being human, should know better, and the fact that she wears them as well is also inexcusable. She may not be military, but she's athletic and extremely intelligent, and would know that the risks of that kind of footwear in combat are too significant. Coincidentally, she should never be wearing that appalling jumpsuit in combat missions, either. The first thing I did when I could was buy the alt appearance pack she was part of so she could have proper armor for field missions. It bothered me that much that I spent the $$ for it.
Jack, psychotic biotic with no formal military training, is again smart enough not to wear them.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:45
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Arisugawa wrote...
Female Shepard and Ashley Williams both do not do wear heels with their armor, and likely, it is because both women military enough to know how disadvantageous this would be. Kasumi Goto, our nimble gymnast thief, understands this and does not cripple her dexterity.
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Actually, in ME3 they do wear heels with their armour.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:47
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Those are all three from the same conversation. And the second one is only onscreen for a second as she gets up and turns around.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:49
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The first and third definitely are. I can read the dialogue. The second one's a bit small, but it sure looks like it.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:49
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David7204 wrote...
Those are all three from the same conversation. And the second one is only onscreen for a second as she gets up and turns around.
Did you played ME2?
I can remember when Shepard was going to talk with her.
The fight with Jack, when she put her elbows on a guard rail.
it focused on the face for 1s and then just ass.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:51
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I think by and large the treatment of female characters was quite good. But there were a few unfortunate exceptions. Every time Miranda was on screen the camera immediately dropped to arse height to get a look at her in her skin tight outfit which seemed cheap. Samara had an atrocious character design with eye rolling, ridiculous cleavage. And when EDI got a body... wow. Whoever designed that should be fired.
Beyond that though, I thought other characters were done quite well.
Beyond that though, I thought other characters were done quite well.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:52
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David7204 wrote...
Those are all three from the same conversation. And the second one is only onscreen for a second as she gets up and turns around.
They're not the same conversation, but you're right about the second pic being literally only 1 second long(does not count as an 'ass shot').
The third pic is from a romance dialogue, so it makes sense for it to be there.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:52
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Aeowyn wrote...
Arisugawa wrote...
Female Shepard and Ashley Williams both do not do wear heels with their armor, and likely, it is because both women military enough to know how disadvantageous this would be. Kasumi Goto, our nimble gymnast thief, understands this and does not cripple her dexterity.
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Actually, in ME3 they do wear heels with their armour.
Hmm...in the images I have they are not...
EDIT: Grrrr....Ashley's boots have elevated platforms. Only slightly better than heels. She should know better.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:54
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It's kind of funny because over the course of the past 3 years or so my opinions have a changed a lot. Especially regarding the portrayal of women in games. For the longest time I did not care but lately it's been bugging me more and more. I find Miranda and Samara's outfits simply ridiculous. I don't mind Jack walking around the way she does on the ship but at least for combat they could have given her something more appropriate.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Bioware hates women but that the general opinion of women still seems to be that their sole purpose is to be good to look at, regardless of what they do. And since the majority of people still thinks that way, women get portrayed in game as they do. I'm pretty sure most people aren't even aware of that and how degrading and discriminating it is.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Bioware hates women but that the general opinion of women still seems to be that their sole purpose is to be good to look at, regardless of what they do. And since the majority of people still thinks that way, women get portrayed in game as they do. I'm pretty sure most people aren't even aware of that and how degrading and discriminating it is.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:57
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Miranda is saying "I need your help." in the third picture. That definitely sounds like her briefing for her loyalty mission, not a romance conversation.
Either that or the whole thing is just photoshopped. Someone slapped a random dialogue wheel on a picture they found.
Either that or the whole thing is just photoshopped. Someone slapped a random dialogue wheel on a picture they found.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 12:58
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Arisugawa wrote...
Aeowyn wrote...
Arisugawa wrote...
Female Shepard and Ashley Williams both do not do wear heels with their armor, and likely, it is because both women military enough to know how disadvantageous this would be. Kasumi Goto, our nimble gymnast thief, understands this and does not cripple her dexterity.
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Actually, in ME3 they do wear heels with their armour.
Hmm...in the images I have they are not...
EDIT: Grrrr....Ashley's boots have elevated platforms. Only slightly better than heels. She should know better.
