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[DeSade]

I must say you people are pathetic.

$40 is nothing and when you consider to me that is actually $80 its a lot more but I still don't care.

Get a job, earn some money, you won't care either.

I spend about $40 a week on coffee.



If you don't want to pay for this expansion, or the DLC for that matter then don't, the rest of the forum world does not care that you think its expensive.

[Zepheera]

Heh,

*puts on old granny costume*

I remember the days when a new game cost 20 dollars and that was considered expensive!

Awakening is anything near as good as the base game, then the price will be well worth it.  One play through may only be 15 hours, (which for me will usually be half that, DA:O only took me about 30 hours to complete on my first run through, despite doing almost all of the side quests).  I base the value of something on the entertainment aspect, not how long it takes me to make use of it, and I am sure that I'll do multiple play throughs, which will exponentially increase the time played factor.

40 dollars for 15 hours... that breaks down to about $2.66 an hour. 

Or... 5 matinee movies with run times averaging 2 hours each at 8 bucks a pop.  Total of 10 hours of movie time.  That's about 4 dollars an hour there.  Or if you go in the evening, that'll be an extra couple bucks, so you might only get to go to 4 movies for 40 bucks.

So, by buying a 40 dollars expansion for DA:O, instead of going to the movies, you're getting 5 additional hours of entertainment originally, plus you have the option of going back and replaying it later, while with watching the movies, once you've seen it, your ticket is worthless.

Modifié par Zepheera, 06 janvier 2010 - 11:23 .

[FlintlockJazz]

DeSade wrote...

I must say you people are pathetic.
$40 is nothing and when you consider to me that is actually $80 its a lot more but I still don't care.
Get a job, earn some money, you won't care either.
I spend about $40 a week on coffee.

If you don't want to pay for this expansion, or the DLC for that matter then don't, the rest of the forum world does not care that you think its expensive.

So you'll be fine with every game costing $100?  Because that is what will happen, oh and I have a full time job and still consider every penny important, especially with rising gas prices and petrol and the like, but obviously you have no concerns other than yourself to be able to throw money around like that.  Oh, and cut back on the coffee if you're spending that much a week on it, or make your own instead of wasting it by going to those pretentious coffee houses.

[DeSade]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

DeSade wrote...

I must say you people are pathetic.
$40 is nothing and when you consider to me that is actually $80 its a lot more but I still don't care.
Get a job, earn some money, you won't care either.
I spend about $40 a week on coffee.

If you don't want to pay for this expansion, or the DLC for that matter then don't, the rest of the forum world does not care that you think its expensive.

So you'll be fine with every game costing $100?  Because that is what will happen, oh and I have a full time job and still consider every penny important, especially with rising gas prices and petrol and the like, but obviously you have no concerns other than yourself to be able to throw money around like that.  Oh, and cut back on the coffee if you're spending that much a week on it, or make your own instead of wasting it by going to those pretentious coffee houses.

You have absoutly no idea.
EVERY new game here costs $100 + (sometimes you get a deal and get it for $90ish) so yeah I am perfectly fine with that.
Gas over here averages $2.11 per litre and coffee is about $4.50 x2 a day you do the math.

I buy coffee because I like good coffee, I guy gas because I have too and I buy games to play them. I pay twice what you pay for almost everything and I am still not complaining about it.

[bjdbwea]

DeSade wrote...

If you don't want to pay for this expansion, or the DLC for that matter then don't, the rest of the forum world does not care that you think its expensive.

But it does care that you think it's not... why?

(With people thinking $ 40 is nothing, is it any wonder they elect a government that thinks a billion here or there is nothing?)

[Abriael_CG]

bjdbwea wrote...
(With people thinking $ 40 is nothing, is it any wonder they elect a government that thinks a billion here or there is nothing?)

People don't think $40 is nothing. People think $40 is fair for the value purchased. Simple as that. Given the price of any form of entertainment, $40 for 15 hours (that can be easily extended given the reoplayability value) is very easily justifiable.
I don't see many people ****ing because a movie theater asks them 10 bucks for 2 hours. Shall we talk about a DVD? A Blu Ray?
Oh my god! 30 bucks for 2-3 hours of movie! Thieves!

Be ashamed of yourselves, seriously.

Oh and by the way, games USED to cost $100, maybe ****y kids (that shouldn't be here anyway, but unfortunately ratings aren't actually enforced like they should be) don't remember, but the price of gaming has LOWERED in the years. Be happy that games don't cost that much anymore.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 06 janvier 2010 - 11:41 .

[phordicus]

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...

If you think WK was short, I can agree. It was great but short. But the main game sounds more like DA:bestRPGever than what you called it. You have to at least admit that the Redcliffe quests were excellent. If not, then why are you even waiting for the expansion lol

i'd consider 45 mins short.  defending redcliff was anything but excellent as i watched the idiot militia and other AIs stand in the middle of burning oil trying to fight off undead (among other things but that's as close to spoiling as i'll get).  lastly, i'm not waiting on the expansion.

[packardbell]

$40/£20 seems to be the right price for an expansion the Neverwinter Nights 2 expansions were about the same price at release and dropped substantially by today.



If you don't think it's worth that money.. do not buy it, simple eh?

[Tekbear]

life's tough. the people who have the time to play computergames can't afford them and the ones who can afford them don't have the time to play them...



honestly - if you don't want to spend 40$ for a game experience like this and feel the need to scream it out into the world, then i'm sorry your dedication towards venting your opinion seems to be much higher than towards gaming.

[FlintlockJazz]

packardbell wrote...

$40/£20 seems to be the right price for an expansion the Neverwinter Nights 2 expansions were about the same price at release and dropped substantially by today.

If you don't think it's worth that money.. do not buy it, simple eh?

£20 is about what I would pay for an expansion over here to be honest, as long as it is of equivalent value.  Not enough info yet to know if it is, so any news Bioware can release would be good, hint hint to those reading.

[Dormiglione]

At first sight 40$ seems to be a high price, but look at what you get. New characters, new specialization, new party member, new dialogs, the possibility to import your hero. And i'm sure it has the same replayability like DA Origins.

And dont forget, this helps also to make sure that bioware can make more expansion / dlc for Dragon Age. As many other people said, there are many 80$ games out with much less playhours and with 0 replayability.

So i have no problem with the price of 40$ for the expansion.



a big thank you to Bioware

[bjdbwea]

Abriael_CG wrote...

People don't think $40 is nothing. People think $40 is fair for the value purchased. Simple as that.

Truth is though, they don't even know what value they are going to get. That's why I said earlier that it's too soon to make any definite statement on this. I can't understand why people are angry about the price already, nor why some people feel the need to defend it so eagerly. I do think people have any right to voice their opinion about this matter, even if it of course doesn't impress anyone at EA.

[FlintlockJazz]

DeSade wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

DeSade wrote...

I must say you people are pathetic.
$40 is nothing and when you consider to me that is actually $80 its a lot more but I still don't care.
Get a job, earn some money, you won't care either.
I spend about $40 a week on coffee.

If you don't want to pay for this expansion, or the DLC for that matter then don't, the rest of the forum world does not care that you think its expensive.

So you'll be fine with every game costing $100?  Because that is what will happen, oh and I have a full time job and still consider every penny important, especially with rising gas prices and petrol and the like, but obviously you have no concerns other than yourself to be able to throw money around like that.  Oh, and cut back on the coffee if you're spending that much a week on it, or make your own instead of wasting it by going to those pretentious coffee houses.

You have absoutly no idea.
EVERY new game here costs $100 + (sometimes you get a deal and get it for $90ish) so yeah I am perfectly fine with that.
Gas over here averages $2.11 per litre and coffee is about $4.50 x2 a day you do the math.

I buy coffee because I like good coffee, I guy gas because I have too and I buy games to play them. I pay twice what you pay for almost everything and I am still not complaining about it.

Neither do you it seems.  First off, I'm not American, so your statement that you pay twice what I do is wrong since it is based on an assumption.  Second, if you pay twice what Americans will pay then that means you will be charged $200.  Thirdly, just because you don't care about being charged more than what something is worth does not mean that everyone else shouldn't either, as despite what you may think you don't have the right to dictate to people what they can and can't post on a forum.  Finally, I would like to ask where you are from, since currency exchange rates means that your statement that you are paying twice could be utterly false, or that you earn twice what you would normally for your job. 

So yeah, if you don't have a problem with the price then that's fine for you, others do and until Bioware puts up a condition that it is not allowed to discuss pricing on these forums people are still going to go ahead and do it, so stop whining about it.

[FlintlockJazz]

bjdbwea wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

People don't think $40 is nothing. People think $40 is fair for the value purchased. Simple as that.

Truth is though, they don't even know what value they are going to get. That's why I said earlier that it's too soon to make any definite statement on this. I can't understand why people are angry about the price already, nor why some people feel the need to defend it so eagerly. I do think people have any right to voice their opinion about this matter, even if it of course doesn't impress anyone at EA.

Agree on this, need more info before I make any decisions.  It could be overpriced or underpriced depending on how this goes.

[DragonRageGT]

TL:DR

I'll buy it!

[NicolasBai]

Agreed. $40 is kinda robbery..............

[PanosSmirnakos]

I think Bioware should make it longer (IMO 15 hours is poor for an expansion, add another 5-10 hours and we're ok) and please don't change the release date AGAIN. I'd be a happy customer then, because I trust them quality-wise.

20 euros (for the PC owners here in Europe) is reasonable, I think. Don't buy it if you don't agree. 1+1=2. Simple.

Just my 2 euro cents...

Modifié par PanosSmirnakos, 06 janvier 2010 - 01:01 .

[wr3zzz]

If I may suggest that the moderators replace any discussion regarding price/value of the game/expansion/dlc with a survey and locks it down. Every time this issue was brought up it quickly degenerates into minority calling the majority sheep and the majority calling the minority cheap.

[Must have name]

DeSade wrote...

I must say you people are pathetic.
$40 is nothing and when you consider to me that is actually $80 its a lot more but I still don't care.
Get a job, earn some money, you won't care either.
I spend about $40 a week on coffee.

If you don't want to pay for this expansion, or the DLC for that matter then don't, the rest of the forum world does not care that you think its expensive.

It's not a matter of affording it. It's a matter of if it's worth it.

Let's say a game's company makes a new game, and it gets stellar reviews and what-not, but they give the game a markup on release. Say, releasing it for £40 instead of £30 (or $70 instead of $60, whatever). Now, I know I can afford the game, and I know i'll enjoy the game, but does that warrant paying the extra price that really isn't justified? If it comes out, and everyone pays the premium, all it means is everyone starts putting their prices up, because that's what the market is willing to pay. Then it's only a matter of time before someone decides they'll release a game at say £45 instead of £40, and everyone then pays that mark up.

If the £20 buys me an expansion equivalent to a new campaign with say 50% of DA's length, i'll buy it, willingly. If it's just a long dungeon crawl with a few things and was only say 25% of DA's length, I won't buy it, because it falls far short of what i'd expect a £20 expansion pack to be.

Another thing that irks me is just how quickly this expansion is coming out. Usually these things are 8-12 months in the works, and this one is about 5 months after release? To me, that either relates as trying to make higher profits by putting less work into it, or cutting production times meaning there's less content. Hopefully i'm proven wrong and Awakening will add enough for me to want to buy it, but i'm very skeptical.

Modifié par Must have name, 06 janvier 2010 - 01:07 .

[FlintlockJazz]

wr3zzz wrote...


If I may suggest that the moderators replace any discussion regarding price/value of the game/expansion/dlc with a survey and locks it down. Every time this issue was brought up it quickly degenerates into minority calling the majority sheep and the majority calling the minority cheap.

Just a quick question: how do you know it's that way around?  Even if those who think the price is fine are the majority it is not represented as such on the forums where it appears that there is more of an even split, and hence not a majority here.  Regardless, your suggestion removes people's right to discuss something that is relevant to the game, so no.

I personally have not yet decided whether the expansion is 'worth it' yet, since there is just not enough information regarding it available to do so yet, however I see no reason why we should not be allowed to discuss it.

[Thoron Draugohtar]

Definetely buying this, it will be worth the cost.



It adds to the story, gives you more of everything and I personally think its a bargain considering most games dont have 15-20+ hours of gameplay.



I salute you Bioware, hopefully this is the first of maybe 2-3 expansions Mods can add to a game but your team adds to the Dragonage world itself and build upon a great story.

[Raxtoren]

jojojordmeister wrote...

Definetely buying this, it will be worth the cost.

It adds to the story, gives you more of everything and I personally think its a bargain considering most games dont have 15-20+ hours of gameplay.

I salute you Bioware, hopefully this is the first of maybe 2-3 expansions Mods can add to a game but your team adds to the Dragonage world itself and build upon a great story.

1. how do you know it will be worth it?
2.if Bioware says its 15, its more like 6-8, how the f can you think it will be 20+ if Bioware says 15? Remember some bioware staff even think Wardens Keep is 3-4 hours of content, yeah right.
3.most games might not have 15-20 hours content, but guess what? they add more of quality in that time.
Or are you gonna tell me that for ex, Batman arkham asylum sucks cause its 15 hours? FF12 took me 54 hours,main story alone, however only 20 of them were great. you can drag out a game and make it "long" doesnt mean its fun. look at modern warfare 2, when is the singelplayer a drag? every second is action non-stop.

See the idiotic comparsion you and many other on bioware forum makes? comparing a game like DAO, with shooters or action games, those games focus on graphic and action.
You think Dragon Age would be worth to buy if it lasted 10-15 hours? no, but a shooter can be.
Its not mean to last 60 hours, your honestly telling me you wanna play a game like Modern Warfare 2 for 60 hours? after 10 hours of that on veteran im dead, dont need more, loved it but cant take more action.

Modifié par Raxtoren, 06 janvier 2010 - 01:21 .

[Magic Zarim]

DeSade wrote...

I must say you people are pathetic.
$40 is nothing and when you consider to me that is actually $80 its a lot more but I still don't care.
Get a job, earn some money, you won't care either.
I spend about $40 a week on coffee.

If you don't want to pay for this expansion, or the DLC for that matter then don't, the rest of the forum world does not care that you think its expensive.

Oh stick it where the sun doesn't shine. If I wanted to, I could buy a hundred $40 copies this very right moment. The point people are making is what you actually get for those $40. A very important aspect with DA:O is that it is a single-player game. Story, quests and play-length are selling features. I hear the comments like "omg some games give you only 8 hours of play with an expansion!" Yes, the singleplayer campaigns are not the main feature. Those games pretty much always support multiplayer and offer (replay)values by more than just a single player campaign.

The only thing DA:O offers is a single-player story experience. Thus what do people expect? The actual playtime/cash ratio to be worthwhile their dime. $40 for 15 hours single player percs, or $50 for 80 hours single player percs? Yes that's obvious and clear now, is it?

As for the argument of developing expansions and covering their cost, FFS it took them 5 years to create the game, the full 80 hours play experience. All the tools, all the assets, all the everything needed to build content for the game. How fast did they make the upcoming expansion? No more than a year of development. I don't even think it will come close to that. The groundwork has been laid. Bioware could pump out DLC and expansions fast now the groundwork is there, for a cost the fraction of making the main game.

Those 15 suggested playhours better offer high quality content story/quest-wise, otherwise $40 is way too steep. Oh! Us PC users wanting everything for free, no? Ofcourse not. We want software for acceptable prices, that's all. "But the game took a 20 million budget to create!" Chicken/egg folks. Gaming has become extremely mainstream. That's what companies like EA thrive on. Delivering games to a humongous market share these days. Game production costs may have risen over the past years, but so has the size of marketshare. There is no need to push prices for games to obscene numbers due to market size compensating these production costs.

Hey, why have blockbuster movies such an insane budget? Because the whole world will watch the damn movie. They have made analysis on whether they can make back the money, sometimes sprinkled with a bit of luck. Tickets haven't become exponentially more expensive either.

[Abriael_CG]

bjdbwea wrote...

Truth is though, they don't even know what value they are going to get. That's why I said earlier that it's too soon to make any definite statement on this. I can't understand why people are angry about the price already, nor why some people feel the need to defend it so eagerly. I do think people have any right to voice their opinion about this matter, even if it of course doesn't impress anyone at EA.

It's a bioware production, so at the evry least you know a good part of that value. Bioware games include much more voice acting than the average, and often by famous actors (i'm often quite surprised, positively of course, by the sheer amount of not indispensible, fluff and lore speech that they add to their games). That kind of voice acting does not come cheap. 5 New companions mean a LOT of new lines of voice acting, this without even counting all the NPCs and such.

@Magic Zarim: given the fact that it interwines with the multiple endings of the main game and it's own multiple endings, the replayability value is VERY high. Online gameplay isn't the only factor that adds replayability.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 06 janvier 2010 - 01:39 .