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[MerinTB]

bstrothe wrote...

Still doesn't explain an overnight $10 price jump.

Sorry, let me boil down what I was saying -

Gamestop sucks and does dumb things.  Not a reason for it, but an explanation of why it happened.

EDIT -

Poll Update:
34 votes as I write this:
15 think $40 is right.
14 will pay $40 but think it is a bit high.
5 call $40 a rip-off.

Analyzing this very unscientific data we have so far:
29 of 34 find the price not purchase-prohibitive.
19 of 34 think $40 at least looks a little high.

We'll see how things develop.  Poll created to answer this pseudo-debate:

FlintlockJazz wrote...

wr3zzz wrote...
If
I may suggest that the moderators replace any discussion regarding
price/value of the game/expansion/dlc with a survey and locks it down.
Every time this issue was brought up it quickly degenerates into
minority calling the majority sheep and the majority calling the
minority cheap.

Just a quick question: how do you know
it's that way around?  Even if those who think the price is fine are
the majority it is not represented as such on the forums where it
appears that there is more of an even split, and hence not a majority
here.

I personally had the feeling it's a vocal minority complaining about the price, that most would buy it if they wanted an expansion, and that some might find the price high but palatable.  So far the poll is proving just that - as much as such a poll can be considered "proof."

Modifié par MerinTB, 06 janvier 2010 - 06:38 .

[Gvaz]

The problem still remains that bioware overshoots it's estimates. Bioware says on the website "over 100 hours of gameplay". Like I said before I'm at the alienage. I've got maybe 5-10 hours left on the game and I spent about 70ish hours. If I remove the time I spent with the game open but me getting up to do other things, then the total game would probably be about 75-80 for a FULL CLEAR of every single possible sidequest in the game that doesnt include the rouge quests in denerim that are only completable with a rogue Main PC. This includes searching for every little codex entry I could find either from a guide or on my own.



From this, the 15 hours is more likely anywhere from 8-10 hours tops. 8-10 hours for $40? Almost the price of a full retail game? From an rpg where I expect there to be over 30 hours of gameplay? No. No. No. I don't think so.



What game has 8-10 hours of gameplay and costs a little more? Halo 3 I guess, but halo 3 has multiplayer going for it to fill in 100 extra hours.



Especially since EA saw from earlier DLC that they can pretty much name a price and retards will buy dlc for DA:O they took what should be a $20 expansion (at most, in content and in length) and marked up the price to milk us for all it's worth.



I don't ****ing think so.

[Gvaz]

Steel_Soldier wrote...

Guys think better, there are games that only have 4-6 hours gameplay nowadays and they cost over 50 dollars, so think better before you judge.

Yeah, maybe if you're thinking of MW2, but oh yeah, theres something else other than single player. It's multiplayer. DAO only has single player which is its "driving force".

[Gvaz]

corbinthe4th wrote...

 First off I'd like to say that i think both parties have valid arguments, one who value or view the price as fair and the others who are completely against it. Keep in mind though the price is fair. Why? Economics says it is, pricing at 40$ is the highest amount the most people will fork out to buy it and bioware is trying to make the most it can. This also explains why the expansion isn't 50$ not enough people would buy where is they would at 40$. Fairly simple I'm sure all of you know what I'm talking about. Pricing at 30$, yes adds more customers but does not necessarily increase profit.  There is a large fan base in the dragon age community pricing at 40$ meets demand. They need money to support and create a great game pay a little more at hopefully we will receive a little more out of the game.  Do we know how many more hours of game play will be added? I may have missed something but I didn't see it. Who knows what if there is 50 hours of game play; will that justify paying 40$? One more question for those of you who find the price to be unfair and think it should be lower, are you still going to purchase the expansion on the release day or week? Or will you wait for it to drop in price? For those that do purchase on release date, thinking it sucks but none the less but still cleaning your pockets to buy it then you do think its worth 40$ regardless if you think its fair or not. If you didn't think it was fair you would NOT buy it. 
I still will probably purchase the expansion fairly soon after it's released, I liked DA and look forward to continue the game.Regardless of a 40$ fee.

I agree and understand the economics of this, and that bioware/ea is trying to take advantage of what is called "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost"

However the content of the game:

"New Ways to Customize your Hero: Experience additional spells,
abilities, specializations, and items to further personalize and
customize your hero and party"

Don't care

"Even more Bone-Crushing, Visceral Combat: Battle against a new range of
horrific and terrifying creatures"

Don't care

"A Stunning World Expanded: BioWare's deepest universe to date just got
bigger with an all new area of the world to explore, Amaranthine"

Do care

"All-new Complex Moral Choices: Embark on an epic story that is
completely defined and reactive to your play style"

Do care

[retr0rganism]

GvazElite wrote...

The problem still remains that bioware overshoots it's estimates. Bioware says on the website "over 100 hours of gameplay". Like I said before I'm at the alienage. I've got maybe 5-10 hours left on the game and I spent about 70ish hours. If I remove the time I spent with the game open but me getting up to do other things, then the total game would probably be about 75-80 for a FULL CLEAR of every single possible sidequest in the game that doesnt include the rouge quests in denerim that are only completable with a rogue Main PC. This includes searching for every little codex entry I could find either from a guide or on my own.

From this, the 15 hours is more likely anywhere from 8-10 hours tops. 8-10 hours for $40? Almost the price of a full retail game? From an rpg where I expect there to be over 30 hours of gameplay? No. No. No. I don't think so.

What game has 8-10 hours of gameplay and costs a little more? Halo 3 I guess, but halo 3 has multiplayer going for it to fill in 100 extra hours.

Especially since EA saw from earlier DLC that they can pretty much name a price and retards will buy dlc for DA:O they took what should be a $20 expansion (at most, in content and in length) and marked up the price to milk us for all it's worth.

I don't ****ing think so.

TL;DR BAWWWW TOO MUCH MONIES BAWWWWW

If it seems too steep, wait for it to go on sale, GOTY Edition, pirate or don't buy.

Whatever your decision, EA won't lower the initial price because many, MANY people other than you will still buy it. Your slightly tighter wallet doesn't threaten them. Deal with it. New games will always be expensive when they drop. Many have come before you to change that and failed.

[addiction21]

GvazElite wrote...

The problem still remains that bioware overshoots it's estimates. Bioware says on the website "over 100 hours of gameplay". Like I said before I'm at the alienage. I've got maybe 5-10 hours left on the game and I spent about 70ish hours. If I remove the time I spent with the game open but me getting up to do other things, then the total game would probably be about 75-80 for a FULL CLEAR of every single possible sidequest in the game that doesnt include the rouge quests in denerim that are only completable with a rogue Main PC. This includes searching for every little codex entry I could find either from a guide or on my own.

From this, the 15 hours is more likely anywhere from 8-10 hours tops. 8-10 hours for $40? Almost the price of a full retail game? From an rpg where I expect there to be over 30 hours of gameplay? No. No. No. I don't think so.

What game has 8-10 hours of gameplay and costs a little more? Halo 3 I guess, but halo 3 has multiplayer going for it to fill in 100 extra hours.

Especially since EA saw from earlier DLC that they can pretty much name a price and retards will buy dlc for DA:O they took what should be a $20 expansion (at most, in content and in length) and marked up the price to milk us for all it's worth.

I don't ****ing think so.

Well I am still looking for somewhere on their website that claims over 100 hours of gameplay. Is it on biowares or the dao site?
Since I can not find it at the time of writing I will just go with what you said and "over 100 hours of gameplay" well it does not state that 100 hours is in the first playthru does it?  The rest seems to be you guesstimating time which I will not touch since it is biased towards making your point.

Last I keep asking where did you see 15 hours for this expansion? I am very damn curious as to why it seems like common knowledge yet it is NO WHERE to be seen...

P.S. Gametime is subjective and they are normal people working at BW. They can only make a statement like that based on the experiances by the that have played it allready. There is no way they could make a all encompassing statement that includes every persons playstyle

[Dragon Age1103]

addiction21 wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

The problem still remains that bioware overshoots it's estimates. Bioware says on the website "over 100 hours of gameplay". Like I said before I'm at the alienage. I've got maybe 5-10 hours left on the game and I spent about 70ish hours. If I remove the time I spent with the game open but me getting up to do other things, then the total game would probably be about 75-80 for a FULL CLEAR of every single possible sidequest in the game that doesnt include the rouge quests in denerim that are only completable with a rogue Main PC. This includes searching for every little codex entry I could find either from a guide or on my own.

From this, the 15 hours is more likely anywhere from 8-10 hours tops. 8-10 hours for $40? Almost the price of a full retail game? From an rpg where I expect there to be over 30 hours of gameplay? No. No. No. I don't think so.

What game has 8-10 hours of gameplay and costs a little more? Halo 3 I guess, but halo 3 has multiplayer going for it to fill in 100 extra hours.

Especially since EA saw from earlier DLC that they can pretty much name a price and retards will buy dlc for DA:O they took what should be a $20 expansion (at most, in content and in length) and marked up the price to milk us for all it's worth.

I don't ****ing think so.

Well I am still looking for somewhere on their website that claims over 100 hours of gameplay. Is it on biowares or the dao site?
Since I can not find it at the time of writing I will just go with what you said and "over 100 hours of gameplay" well it does not state that 100 hours is in the first playthru does it?  The rest seems to be you guesstimating time which I will not touch since it is biased towards making your point.

Last I keep asking where did you see 15 hours for this expansion? I am very damn curious as to why it seems like common knowledge yet it is NO WHERE to be seen...

P.S. Gametime is subjective and they are normal people working at BW. They can only make a statement like that based on the experiances by the that have played it allready. There is no way they could make a all encompassing statement that includes every persons playstyle

 I never saw over 100 hours but on Dragonage.com in the Q&A section of the game they used to have a response saying over 80 hours.
  As for the 15 hours for Awakning I know 2 gaming sites said this, I though ign & someone else not sure but I do not know if Bioware has confirmed how long it will be.
  Just saying those could be some of his sources he might of forgot where he read it or something.

[wikkedjoker]

They can have my money provided its out on time. . . . (( Cough RTO Cough )) . . . . .

[fantasypisces]

They were probably meaning over 100 hours of gameplay in regards to the achievements (which, yes, I do find a bit silly).



On one of my characters I got to 23 (doing 2/3 of a level from elfroot). I got almost 500 codex entires (which is almost all of them, mostly I was just missing items) And literally did almost every single quest available (except rogue ones, since I was a warrior, and I didn't do the Crows quests - which I should have for the gloves). But otherwise I did all the board quests. All the orzammar quests, all brecilion, all mage quests. I literally did everything I could find, talking to everyone, going everywhere and killing everything I saw, etc.



Playtime - 45 hours (was my third time through, so was much faster than my other playthroughs).

After three full playthroughs (and some reloading for achievements) I am sitting at 86% complete. That will probably be 100% after I get the mage talent achievements, the shield and 2h and rogue achievements, finish the game without falling in battle, and kill 50 enemies using assault. Which all together would put my total gameplay time close to 200 hours.

[wikkedjoker]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

The problem still remains that bioware overshoots it's estimates. Bioware says on the website "over 100 hours of gameplay". Like I said before I'm at the alienage. I've got maybe 5-10 hours left on the game and I spent about 70ish hours. If I remove the time I spent with the game open but me getting up to do other things, then the total game would probably be about 75-80 for a FULL CLEAR of every single possible sidequest in the game that doesnt include the rouge quests in denerim that are only completable with a rogue Main PC. This includes searching for every little codex entry I could find either from a guide or on my own.

From this, the 15 hours is more likely anywhere from 8-10 hours tops. 8-10 hours for $40? Almost the price of a full retail game? From an rpg where I expect there to be over 30 hours of gameplay? No. No. No. I don't think so.

What game has 8-10 hours of gameplay and costs a little more? Halo 3 I guess, but halo 3 has multiplayer going for it to fill in 100 extra hours.

Especially since EA saw from earlier DLC that they can pretty much name a price and retards will buy dlc for DA:O they took what should be a $20 expansion (at most, in content and in length) and marked up the price to milk us for all it's worth.

I don't ****ing think so.

Well I am still looking for somewhere on their website that claims over 100 hours of gameplay. Is it on biowares or the dao site?
Since I can not find it at the time of writing I will just go with what you said and "over 100 hours of gameplay" well it does not state that 100 hours is in the first playthru does it?  The rest seems to be you guesstimating time which I will not touch since it is biased towards making your point.

Last I keep asking where did you see 15 hours for this expansion? I am very damn curious as to why it seems like common knowledge yet it is NO WHERE to be seen...

P.S. Gametime is subjective and they are normal people working at BW. They can only make a statement like that based on the experiances by the that have played it allready. There is no way they could make a all encompassing statement that includes every persons playstyle

 I never saw over 100 hours but on Dragonage.com in the Q&A section of the game they used to have a response saying over 80 hours.
  As for the 15 hours for Awakning I know 2 gaming sites said this, I though ign & someone else not sure but I do not know if Bioware has confirmed how long it will be.
  Just saying those could be some of his sources he might of forgot where he read it or something.

15 hours is not bad when you think most games full games mind you are 6-12 hours. Plus we have seen that dragon age has a lot of replay. This one you can play as your last MC or as a new one. playing both i would think would have things that were changed. 

[Dragon Age1103]

Just checked it now looks like they changed it to cover their ass. lol. Fact is DA:O can be as short as 25-30 hours or 100 hours. personally I would say a true RPG fan should get 40-60 hours out of it no less. My first play through was 81 hours second was 68 hours now on my 3rd I'm sure it will only be 50 or so...depends on a lot really.

I really doubt Bioware would give an exact number or even an estimate b/c I'm sure EA has told them to watch their ass. So all we will ever get officially will probably be "depends on the player" with no basic time frame at all.

I hope its more than 15 hours for $40 but I really doubt it will even be that long.

[Dragon Age1103]

wikkedjoker wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

The problem still remains that bioware overshoots it's estimates. Bioware says on the website "over 100 hours of gameplay". Like I said before I'm at the alienage. I've got maybe 5-10 hours left on the game and I spent about 70ish hours. If I remove the time I spent with the game open but me getting up to do other things, then the total game would probably be about 75-80 for a FULL CLEAR of every single possible sidequest in the game that doesnt include the rouge quests in denerim that are only completable with a rogue Main PC. This includes searching for every little codex entry I could find either from a guide or on my own.

From this, the 15 hours is more likely anywhere from 8-10 hours tops. 8-10 hours for $40? Almost the price of a full retail game? From an rpg where I expect there to be over 30 hours of gameplay? No. No. No. I don't think so.

What game has 8-10 hours of gameplay and costs a little more? Halo 3 I guess, but halo 3 has multiplayer going for it to fill in 100 extra hours.

Especially since EA saw from earlier DLC that they can pretty much name a price and retards will buy dlc for DA:O they took what should be a $20 expansion (at most, in content and in length) and marked up the price to milk us for all it's worth.

I don't ****ing think so.

Well I am still looking for somewhere on their website that claims over 100 hours of gameplay. Is it on biowares or the dao site?
Since I can not find it at the time of writing I will just go with what you said and "over 100 hours of gameplay" well it does not state that 100 hours is in the first playthru does it?  The rest seems to be you guesstimating time which I will not touch since it is biased towards making your point.

Last I keep asking where did you see 15 hours for this expansion? I am very damn curious as to why it seems like common knowledge yet it is NO WHERE to be seen...

P.S. Gametime is subjective and they are normal people working at BW. They can only make a statement like that based on the experiances by the that have played it allready. There is no way they could make a all encompassing statement that includes every persons playstyle

 I never saw over 100 hours but on Dragonage.com in the Q&A section of the game they used to have a response saying over 80 hours.
  As for the 15 hours for Awakning I know 2 gaming sites said this, I though ign & someone else not sure but I do not know if Bioware has confirmed how long it will be.
  Just saying those could be some of his sources he might of forgot where he read it or something.

15 hours is not bad when you think most games full games mind you are 6-12 hours. Plus we have seen that dragon age has a lot of replay. This one you can play as your last MC or as a new one. playing both i would think would have things that were changed. 

 No 15 hours isn't bad at all espcially compared to more crappy recent expansion I've played. lol. I just want more!!! lol. DOubt I'll get sick of DAO before March 16th

[hyrulehistorian]

im puzzeled by the orlesian warden/your warden thing. Cannocally is this an orleasian warden. Are they just letting you import the character for teh aestetics and the experience. If i import my character is it actualyl the character with the origin and ending i played through in the main game? That is the big question im eager to have answered. And just from what I have seen, this would be more apropriate at $20. Considering what other expansion packs cost for other games.

[Gvaz]

addiction21 wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

The problem still remains that bioware overshoots it's estimates. Bioware says on the website "over 100 hours of gameplay". Like I said before I'm at the alienage. I've got maybe 5-10 hours left on the game and I spent about 70ish hours. If I remove the time I spent with the game open but me getting up to do other things, then the total game would probably be about 75-80 for a FULL CLEAR of every single possible sidequest in the game that doesnt include the rouge quests in denerim that are only completable with a rogue Main PC. This includes searching for every little codex entry I could find either from a guide or on my own.

From this, the 15 hours is more likely anywhere from 8-10 hours tops. 8-10 hours for $40? Almost the price of a full retail game? From an rpg where I expect there to be over 30 hours of gameplay? No. No. No. I don't think so.

What game has 8-10 hours of gameplay and costs a little more? Halo 3 I guess, but halo 3 has multiplayer going for it to fill in 100 extra hours.

Especially since EA saw from earlier DLC that they can pretty much name a price and retards will buy dlc for DA:O they took what should be a $20 expansion (at most, in content and in length) and marked up the price to milk us for all it's worth.

I don't ****ing think so.

Well I am still looking for somewhere on their website that claims over 100 hours of gameplay. Is it on biowares or the dao site?
Since I can not find it at the time of writing I will just go with what you said and "over 100 hours of gameplay" well it does not state that 100 hours is in the first playthru does it?  The rest seems to be you guesstimating time which I will not touch since it is biased towards making your point.

Last I keep asking where did you see 15 hours for this expansion? I am very damn curious as to why it seems like common knowledge yet it is NO WHERE to be seen...

P.S. Gametime is subjective and they are normal people working at BW. They can only make a statement like that based on the experiances by the that have played it allready. There is no way they could make a all encompassing statement that includes every persons playstyle

http://74.125.93.132...n&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Blue_dodo]

will I don't have a ton of experiance coding I will say this:



it takes ALOT of work a simple mistake can cause 48 erriors, and since most script can get several thousand lines long can you imagine the amount of time and effort going through all the erriors, making sure there was no simple mistakes such as spacing. formula mistake etc etc.



so whats my point ? an expansion takes months even years to make, I'm personally surprised that DAO: awakening is already up on game stop to be pre-ordered.

[Gvaz]

^^^^ just another reason to think there isn't as much content to warrant $40. It most likely consists of content they wanted to put in the game but didn't have time in order to meet a release date of DA:O

wikkedjoker wrote...

15 hours is not bad when you think most games full games mind you are 6-12 hours. Plus we have seen that dragon age has a lot of replay. This one you can play as your last MC or as a new one. playing both i would think would have things that were changed. 

People keep saying this, but what games are you talking about?

Keep in mind this is an EXPANSION not a full game we're being offered

Modifié par GvazElite, 06 janvier 2010 - 07:29 .

[Dragon Age1103]

GvazElite wrote...

^^^^ just another reason to think there isn't as much content to warrant $40. It most likely consists of content they wanted to put in the game but didn't have time in order to meet a release date of DA:O

wikkedjoker wrote...

15 hours is not bad when you think most games full games mind you are 6-12 hours. Plus we have seen that dragon age has a lot of replay. This one you can play as your last MC or as a new one. playing both i would think would have things that were changed. 

People keep saying this, but what games are you talking about?

Keep in mind this is an EXPANSION not a full game we're being offered

Fallout 3 had a bunch of expansions played them all but Mothership Zeta. There were good but short, I'm sure Awakening will blow thos expansions out of the water hands down. So it's not so bad. Price goes up, people will buy it why not charge more.

[J.F.C.C.McDondy]

GvazElite wrote...

^^^^ just another reason to think there isn't as much content to warrant $40. It most likely consists of content they wanted to put in the game but didn't have time in order to meet a release date of DA:O

wikkedjoker wrote...

15 hours is not bad when you think most games full games mind you are 6-12 hours. Plus we have seen that dragon age has a lot of replay. This one you can play as your last MC or as a new one. playing both i would think would have things that were changed. 

People keep saying this, but what games are you talking about?

Keep in mind this is an EXPANSION not a full game we're being offered

SIMS "expansions" ?

[TheMadCat]

^^^^ just another reason to think there isn't as much content to warrant $40. It most likely consists of content they wanted to put in the game but didn't have time in order to meet a release date of DA:O

Or the fact the base game has been done for around a year now. Since another company did the porting I'd assume the majority of developers who weren't polishing and adding in small side quests did something aside from sitting in their chairs twiddling their thumbs and watching porn all day.

[Gvaz]

Fallout 3 expansions: never bought those because they cost more than the enjoyment i'd get out of them



sims expansions I just wait to the super deluxe ultimate edition so i got all of them for less than the game cause holy **** at the retards who bought that **** on day one.

[MerinTB]

From - http://dragonage.bio....com/game/#1.09

1.09 How many hours will it take to complete Dragon Age: Origins?



As with previous BioWare games, that will depend on how thoroughly you play the game, how much exploring you decide to do, or how many side quests you choose to engage. We think fans will be quite satisfied with the length of the main story arc.

Straight-forward answer to me.

[MerinTB]

GvazElite wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...
15 hours is not bad when you think most games full games mind you are 6-12 hours. Plus we have seen that dragon age has a lot of replay. This one you can play as your last MC or as a new one. playing both i would think would have things that were changed. 

People keep saying this, but what games are you talking about?

Start here - http://www.gamespot....pic_id=26497725
Go here next - http://www.gamespot....pic_id=26813181
Try this then - http://boardsus.play...sage.id=2558406
Jump here - http://www.gamefaqs....ssage=477487269

And realize that, outside of CRPGs, many many games have a typical average of 10 hours of gameplay, not counting replays nor multiplayer.

For any game that isn't solely multi-player (Counterstrike, the recent  Shadowrun, etc.), i.e. any game with a single-player campaign / story, you can call the hours to complete that campaign/story it's hours of gameplay.  Multi-player is a different animal than this discussion.

[JAMiAM]

Dragon Age: Origins - $40
DLC's - ~ $5
Awakening Expansion - $30

Wading through pages, upon pages, of self-absorbed drivel and pontification - Priceless

Modifié par JAMiAM, 06 janvier 2010 - 07:51 .

[addiction21]

GvazElite wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

The problem still remains that bioware overshoots it's estimates. Bioware says on the website "over 100 hours of gameplay". Like I said before I'm at the alienage. I've got maybe 5-10 hours left on the game and I spent about 70ish hours. If I remove the time I spent with the game open but me getting up to do other things, then the total game would probably be about 75-80 for a FULL CLEAR of every single possible sidequest in the game that doesnt include the rouge quests in denerim that are only completable with a rogue Main PC. This includes searching for every little codex entry I could find either from a guide or on my own.

From this, the 15 hours is more likely anywhere from 8-10 hours tops. 8-10 hours for $40? Almost the price of a full retail game? From an rpg where I expect there to be over 30 hours of gameplay? No. No. No. I don't think so.

What game has 8-10 hours of gameplay and costs a little more? Halo 3 I guess, but halo 3 has multiplayer going for it to fill in 100 extra hours.

Especially since EA saw from earlier DLC that they can pretty much name a price and retards will buy dlc for DA:O they took what should be a $20 expansion (at most, in content and in length) and marked up the price to milk us for all it's worth.

I don't ****ing think so.

Well I am still looking for somewhere on their website that claims over 100 hours of gameplay. Is it on biowares or the dao site?
Since I can not find it at the time of writing I will just go with what you said and "over 100 hours of gameplay" well it does not state that 100 hours is in the first playthru does it?  The rest seems to be you guesstimating time which I will not touch since it is biased towards making your point.

Last I keep asking where did you see 15 hours for this expansion? I am very damn curious as to why it seems like common knowledge yet it is NO WHERE to be seen...

P.S. Gametime is subjective and they are normal people working at BW. They can only make a statement like that based on the experiances by the that have played it allready. There is no way they could make a all encompassing statement that includes every persons playstyle

http://74.125.93.132...n&ct=clnk&gl=us

Still it makes no statement to it being a single playthru. Just says over 100 hours of gameplay. It does not state that it is irrefutable fact that every person will get 100+ hours out of every playthru.

GvazElite wrote...

^^^^ just another reason to think there isn't as much content to warrant $40. It most likely consists of content they wanted to put in the game but didn't have time in order to meet a release date of DA:O

wikkedjoker wrote...

15 hours is not bad when you think most games full games mind you are 6-12 hours. Plus we have seen that dragon age has a lot of replay. This one you can play as your last MC or as a new one. playing both i would think would have things that were changed. 

People keep saying this, but what games are you talking about?

Keep in mind this is an EXPANSION not a full game we're being offered

Gave me a link for the first one care to show me where it is 15 hours?

We know its a expansion. Pretty impressive an EXPANSION that will cost less and provide more gameplay then an entire game.

Then again for many of us the amount of time we play a game is only part of the experiance.

here you go. Hours of fun and it is free http://games.adultsw...nline-game.html
Is that what you want your games to be like? Cheap, long, and just filler?

[Gvaz]

No, what interests me is the storyline (which i will most likely ever play once) and stuff to explore.

Ive done most of the origins but i really doubt I'll complete a full game with all of them.

With warden's keep their "abilities and new armor" was some armor I never used because I found better stuff, a nice sword, and some abilties i never used

Community sure is good at arguing extremes I see.

Modifié par GvazElite, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:01 .