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[Wonderllama4]

I hope the retail version is a bit cheaper or I may have to wait until this gets a discount somewhere. maybe as a deal of the week. I just know that a year or so from now in 2011, gamers new to Dragon Age are gonna get a real treat when all this DLC gets bundled up with the game for a nice low price. argh! this is why I hate buying games when they're released. but I can't help it

[huxley00]

I will buy it for the 30 bucks for pc and gladly.

[Eragondragonrider]

Mmm $39.99 for DA:A in March or $59.99 for FFXIII on the same day this is a hard choice, FFXIII is part of one of the best RPG franchises ever and will be 70+ hrs of game play to find everything, where DA:A is 15-30 hrs of game play this is a hard choice

[huxley00]

AdMaar wrote...

Considering how disappointed I was (and continue to be - I'm playing through all the storylines to see if anything eventually strikes me as truly original. I mean, come on.. rip-offs EVERYWHERE. The Andraste Urn Guardian remind anyone ELSE of the templar, in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade?) with DAO, it's unlikely I'll buy the expansion. I'll snag the Ostagar DLC, 'cause, well, I have loads of credits to buy junk with, but unless they reduce the price of the expansion, I'll either nevere bother, buy it when it's no longer a hot item, and is greatly reduced in price, or maybe pay for it somewhere in betwen those 2 circumstances, because I'm really bored.

DAO REALLY let me down. Never thought I'd say hat about a BioWare game.

Apparently you have never read a book (especially fantasy), people borrow from others all the time.  Some get away with it a bit more by stealing from more obscure novels or movies. 

[Black Kracken]

 I'd pay $50 for this.  Gladly.

[acaelus_thorne]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

Mmm $39.99 for DA:A in March or $59.99 for FFXIII on the same day this is a hard choice, FFXIII is part of one of the best RPG franchises ever and will be 70+ hrs of game play to find everything, where DA:A is 15-30 hrs of game play this is a hard choice

I don't know why, but FF XIII just doesn't look interesting to me at all, which is odd cause VIII is my favorite game of all time and XIII seems to be the closest in in design.

I will probably pick up Awakening or perhaps look for a copy of NWN Diamond to tide me over for a good while.

[Primordial Instinct]

I will get the expansion ... no question about it. I was disapointed at spending 7$ for Keep and I felt some what cheated by it. It was claimed to be a base of opperations, yet you were only able to stand outside of it once you repaired the tear. I hope BioWare plans to make that up to us some how.

[Zepheera]

There's an analogy that can be kept in mind here.



If you go to a standard restaurant (Let's say Bennigan's), you can get an 8 ounce sirloin steak for maybe 12-14 dollars, or you could go to a high end steak house and pay 50 dollars for an 8 ounce sirloin steak. Both meals you get a salad and a side. You're getting the same basic meal, but you're paying quite a bit more for the second option. Why?



Simply put, you're paying for the quality of the ingredients, the skill of the culinary staff that makes your meal, and the environment/customer service of the experience.



Same goes for a seemingly expensive expansion pack. You're paying for the quality of the game itself, the resources put into it... ingredients if you will. You're paying for the skill of the development team that prepared the game for your enjoyment, and you're paying for the customer service that BioWare provides to support the gaming experience.



Yes, food is essential for life to continue, whereas the game and it's expansions and DLC is not, but the fact of the matter is, you don't have to buy the steak at the high end restaurant, you could stay at home and save yourself 40 dollars + tip and make your food at home, the restaurant itself is a luxury that is not necessary, just as the purchase of the game and it's addons is a luxury. Both can be done without if the price is to extravagant for you feel it's worthwhile.



$2.70 an hour for replayable entertainment isn't much.

[Ganondorf2002]

I've already pre paid for the expansion for the PC. I'm looking forward to more game play and story, not to mention new content to mod.

[Gvaz]

StrangeCat Productions wrote...

I guess you poor folk better save 10 dollars a month so you can afford by March this extremely expensive expansion. you'll just have to add another 10 dollars to make it though...^_-

RGH it has nothing to do with being able to afford it you clout

[TheMadCat]

Well for everyone worried about the amount of content, according to Melo in the IGN interview you should be able to hit mid to high 30's for your character level. No way in hell you're going to gain 15 or so levels in 15 hours if they continue with the same XP amount required and increments per level. Reality is your looking more at 30 hours, maybe more. Depends on if the system is the same and how far between fights and quests are. But yeah, going by that it looks like the original estimate posted by the Czech site and where the number 15 originally came from low balled it quite a bit.

[Aesir Rising]

Low-bang-for-the-buck DLC helped fund this over-priced mini-expansion set for release only a few months after game launch. Ironic, considering one key (and apparently false) justification for the DLC marketing and development model espoused here was that some folks didn't want to wait, "1 or 2 years" for a proper expansion. A few months' time for an expansion sounds great to me, except for the price and content-completion estimate. For 40 bucks, I'd expect a full game, not an expansion.



Bioware has an opportunity to demonstrate to the industry that gamers are willing to fork over the equivalent of an annual sub for an MMO - while avoiding development costs relating to multiplayer tech and without needing to develop anywhere near the same amount of content expected from a triple A MMO title. I don't wish them well in this attack.

[Bryy_Miller]

Guys, Mass Effect's main quest was seventeen hours. Dragon Age's was forty. Think about that before mouthing off from the 'Time = Money' angle.

[NONYAMUFF]

the post still lives



http://social.biowar...561645/1#562948

[TheGreenLion]

There's that buzzing fly noise again...how annoying.

[Wonderllama4]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Guys, Mass Effect's main quest was seventeen hours. Dragon Age's was forty. Think about that before mouthing off from the 'Time = Money' angle.

I'm gussing you just press X all the time without listening to anything.

[UnitedWashclothExpress]

Guess the price on the PC version has gone up. It is a shame really. I was more than willing to pay $30 for it, as $30 was within my price range. Maybe if I pay $30 now, I can come up with the remaining $10+tax later...

[ArathWoeeye]

I'm sorry but "if 10 hour game play=10 money then 5 hour game play=5 money" logic is flawed to the core.
First, it's not like you are doing the same thing in the game all the time, which means not every hour of the game is just as valuable as every other hour.
Second, although expansions are based on an "already created" game, they still need to be integrated to the game, which probably means lots of consistency and balance checks and changes, in addition to creation of new content (say, models). It's not like they sit down in their home with their boxers (maybe one more part for female designers) and click two buttons to create a model, then type two words to create all the dialogue, then roll their face on the keyboard to create new spells. It does not work that way. Other than the creation of the engine, they still do everything they did with the game core. It's "less" content, but quite similar work nonetheless. Not to mention they need to work even harder now, for that they have set a bar that they must match and raise.

All in all, what matters is the quality. What matters is how satisfactory the content will be. It's not about how many hours. It's not about how many classes. It's not about how many items. Sure, they all count and matter, but they are all ONE PART of the whole. What you must take into account is ALL of it.

I just typed this under a poll but I'll do it again.
I've played a certain popular (so-called) RPG's downlodable content about aliens. I'll call it Big ship theta, I'm not sure if it's okay to use actual names here.
The content added new alien pistol and rifles, which were mostly inferior to the alien weapon found in vanilla. There were a few more weapons and armor, but they weren't really too exciting (the ones related to aliens at least).
The content was written very, very, very badly. For example, the main quest would make you destroy a cannon and two quests later, you'd use that cannon to blast stuff up.
The content was very repetitive. There was little dialogue and lots of fighting against the same kind of enemies, which are no different than the enemies outside since they are gun-wielding humanoids.

Now, I dont care if that kind of DLC/Xpack lasts for 100 hours. I'd take 1 hour of Dragon Age with its well-written dialogues, better story, not-knee-shallow characters and (in my opinion) more variable and fun combat.

So I say, it's not the number of hours that counts, it's how you fill it.

Edit/PS: Let me say that I wont probably be able to buy it when it comes out, but that doesnt mean the price may be justified. My point is, let us see how good the content is and only THEN talk about how well it's priced.

Edit2: I have just thought of a good example. Half-life2's Episode 1 was unbelievably short, especially compared to the full game. But it wasn't priced 1/10th of the game (or whatever the length ratio is). It was like.. I think a bit over the half of the price? I paid for Half-life 2 and when I got Epi1, I wasnt at my richest. And you know what? It was worth it. Even if I bought orange box later, which included epi1, I'd buy it again.

Not to mention half-life 2 is a VERY linear game with no options. In dragon age, there are at least some options and experience may vary with different characters/party set ups.

Modifié par ArathWoeeye, 07 janvier 2010 - 07:21 .

[Dragon Age1103]

ArathWoeeye wrote...

I'm sorry but "if 10 hour game play=10 money then 5 hour game play=5 money" logic is flawed to the core.
First, it's not like you are doing the same thing in the game all the time, which means not every hour of the game is just as valuable as every other hour.
Second, although expansions are based on an "already created" game, they still need to be integrated to the game, which probably means lots of consistency and balance checks and changes, in addition to creation of new content (say, models). It's not like they sit down in their home with their boxers (maybe one more part for female designers) and click two buttons to create a model, then type two words to create all the dialogue, then roll their face on the keyboard to create new spells. It does not work that way. Other than the creation of the engine, they still do everything they did with the game core. It's "less" content, but quite similar work nonetheless. Not to mention they need to work even harder now, for that they have set a bar that they must match and raise.

All in all, what matters is the quality. What matters is how satisfactory the content will be. It's not about how many hours. It's not about how many classes. It's not about how many items. Sure, they all count and matter, but they are all ONE PART of the whole. What you must take into account is ALL of it.

I just typed this under a poll but I'll do it again.
I've played a certain popular (so-called) RPG's downlodable content about aliens. I'll call it Big ship theta, I'm not sure if it's okay to use actual names here.
The content added new alien pistol and rifles, which were mostly inferior to the alien weapon found in vanilla. There were a few more weapons and armor, but they weren't really too exciting (the ones related to aliens at least).
The content was written very, very, very badly. For example, the main quest would make you destroy a cannon and two quests later, you'd use that cannon to blast stuff up.
The content was very repetitive. There was little dialogue and lots of fighting against the same kind of enemies, which are no different than the enemies outside since they are gun-wielding humanoids.

Now, I dont care if that kind of DLC/Xpack lasts for 100 hours. I'd take 1 hour of Dragon Age with its well-written dialogues, better story, not-knee-shallow characters and (in my opinion) more variable and fun combat.

So I say, it's not the number of hours that counts, it's how you fill it.

Edit/PS: Let me say that I wont probably be able to buy it when it comes out, but that doesnt mean the price may be justified. My point is, let us see how good the content is and only THEN talk about how well it's priced.

Edit2: I have just thought of a good example. Half-life2's Episode 1 was unbelievably short, especially compared to the full game. But it wasn't priced 1/10th of the game (or whatever the length ratio is). It was like.. I think a bit over the half of the price? I paid for Half-life 2 and when I got Epi1, I wasnt at my richest. And you know what? It was worth it. Even if I bought orange box later, which included epi1, I'd buy it again.

Not to mention half-life 2 is a VERY linear game with no options. In dragon age, there are at least some options and experience may vary with different characters/party set ups.

   WOW!!! Very well said friend. I was a bit close minded at first but now that I sit back & especially after reading your post I could NOT agree MORE! The writing so far has been much better than I could ever imagine, bioware gave me characters I remember outside of the game world. That hasn't happened in years!!!
   Just from the short(what 1:40?) trailer I can see they didn't hold back on even blowing us away even more this time around with Awakening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15 hours is NOT official high level 30's is & as someone said earlier that could equal a lot of gameplay hours but hours only goes so far compared to quality which we WILL get b/c this is Bioware!!!

[deathwing200]

darkangel99 wrote...

40 bucks aint bad, me and my daughter went to see avatar, about a 3 hour movie. went during the day even to save on ticket prices, spent 10 bucks to get in, and another 17 on snacks, drinks popcorn and candy since my daughter wanted all of that so 27 dollars for 3 hours of entertainment plus quality time with my daughter to 40 bucks for 15 plus hours of entertainment. not too bad. now if i didnt like this game i would probably have my problems with it, i spent 60 bucks on aion and didnt get much more than 15 hours of play from it and none of it was good play it was just grinding.

Bad comparison, bro. I could get every movie I want for free and burn them on to DvD's. You pay for the wide screen experience and for the chance to socialize with your friends or relatives. That's the actual price of going to a movie. The film itself costs nothing.

[MerinTB]

deathwing200 wrote...

darkangel99 wrote...
40 bucks aint bad, me and my daughter went to see avatar, about a 3 hour movie. went during the day even to save on ticket prices, spent 10 bucks to get in, and another 17 on snacks, drinks popcorn and candy since my daughter wanted all of that so 27 dollars for 3 hours of entertainment plus quality time with my daughter to 40 bucks for 15 plus hours of entertainment. not too bad. now if i didnt like this game i would probably have my problems with it, i spent 60 bucks on aion and didnt get much more than 15 hours of play from it and none of it was good play it was just grinding.

Bad comparison, bro. I could get every movie I want for free and burn them on to DvD's. You pay for the wide screen experience and for the chance to socialize with your friends or relatives. That's the actual price of going to a movie. The film itself costs nothing.

You could get every movie you want for free . . . how again?
You know someone who works at a studio?  A reviewer who gets screener copies?  Work at a rental store that gives you free rentals?  You've figured out the right combination of sites like Hulu that you have found any movie you want to watch for free legally online?
Even if it is one of the above or something similar (and not the torrenting I expect you mean), burning a copy to DVD is piracy.   You are doing something illegal and that really can't be compared with legitimately paying for something.
AND if you are willing to pirate a movie, there's nothing stopping you from theater hopping or having an employee at the movie theater slip you and your friends/family in through the side door.  You "can" experience movies in the theater for free about as easily as you "can" get movies for free.

Bad comparison?  How about unethical and unconvincing argument?

[deathwing200]

MerinTB wrote...

You could get every movie you want for free . . . how again?
You know someone who works at a studio?  A reviewer who gets screener copies?  Work at a rental store that gives you free rentals?  You've figured out the right combination of sites like Hulu that you have found any movie you want to watch for free legally online?

You have to ask? Really?

Even if it is one of the above or something similar (and not the torrenting I expect you mean), burning a copy to DVD is piracy.   You are doing something illegal and that really can't be compared with legitimately paying for something.

Oh, drop the holier-than-thou attitude. I don't believe for a second that you or most of the forum users here have not pirated even a single MP3, movie or a game since you started using the internet.

AND if you are willing to pirate a movie, there's nothing stopping you from theater hopping or having an employee at the movie theater slip you and your friends/family in through the side door.  You "can" experience movies in the theater for free about as easily as you "can" get movies for free.

You're actually comparing torrenting a movie to sneaking into a theatre? Next thing you'll be comparing piracy to shoplifting. These arguments are always poor to be honest.

Bad comparison?  How about unethical and unconvincing argument?

Once again it's not about ethics. The previous poster argued that "movies provide little entertainment for how much they cost", while I countered that you can potentially get them for free - movie itself is a very small part why most people go to movie theatres. It's all about seeing it on mega screen and socializing with friends/girlfriend/relatives.

[AdMaar]

huxley00 wrote...

AdMaar wrote...

Considering how disappointed I was (and continue to be - I'm playing through all the storylines to see if anything eventually strikes me as truly original. I mean, come on.. rip-offs EVERYWHERE. The Andraste Urn Guardian remind anyone ELSE of the templar, in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade?) with DAO, it's unlikely I'll buy the expansion. I'll snag the Ostagar DLC, 'cause, well, I have loads of credits to buy junk with, but unless they reduce the price of the expansion, I'll either nevere bother, buy it when it's no longer a hot item, and is greatly reduced in price, or maybe pay for it somewhere in betwen those 2 circumstances, because I'm really bored.

DAO REALLY let me down. Never thought I'd say hat about a BioWare game.

Apparently you have never read a book (especially fantasy), people borrow from others all the time.  Some get away with it a bit more by stealing from more obscure novels or movies. 

I've read ALL of Salvatore's books. But only when I want mindless entertainment. I also read the Star Wars novelizations for the same reason. As for literature, I like Salinger, Rand, Coupland, etc.. but your rapid-fan-boy-response suggests you like the game. Fine. It didn't really address the fact that the game is derivative, and unoriginal in it's "storyline". Just cause other books and games have been lazy enough to blatantly copy other stories, doesn't mean it's ok. And I expect more from Bioware. You're entitled to low expectations though.

[FlintlockJazz]

Overall, I'm waiting for information, then I'll decide. An increased price tag means I should expect more in the expansion, more of what I dunno until I see it.  I'm just opposed to the "It lasts longer than x cups of coffee for the same price!" logic some people use.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 07 janvier 2010 - 09:33 .

[ArathWoeeye]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

ArathWoeeye wrote...
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   WOW!!! Very well said friend. I was a bit close minded at first but now that I sit back & especially after reading your post I could NOT agree MORE! The writing so far has been much better than I could ever imagine, bioware gave me characters I remember outside of the game world. That hasn't happened in years!!!
   Just from the short(what 1:40?) trailer I can see they didn't hold back on even blowing us away even more this time around with Awakening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15 hours is NOT official high level 30's is & as someone said earlier that could equal a lot of gameplay hours but hours only goes so far compared to quality which we WILL get b/c this is Bioware!!!

Haha, glad to see I got to someone. But it's true. 
I mean, bg2 expansion, throne of baal. Who among those played (grammar issues?) does not remember Cespnar now and then and giggle? I think that's priceless.

Speaking of C, *changes voice* can you say it? Hindo's dooOOOOooom!!