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[Shadow of Light Dragon]

ArathWoeeye wrote...

Haha, glad to see I got to someone. But it's true. 
I mean, bg2 expansion, throne of baal. Who among those played (grammar issues?) does not remember Cespnar now and then and giggle? I think that's priceless.

Speaking of C, *changes voice* can you say it? Hindo's dooOOOOooom!!

I loved that imp. XD He had such hilarious dialogue... I'm glad it was all voiced.

I expect I will get the expansion eventually... but probably not right away. I'll wait and see what people think of it first. $40 isn't a bad price as expansions go (how it translates to the Australian dollar, time will tell >.<. A boxed version of DA was $110 when it first came out compared to $70 for the Steam edition plus bonus stuff.)

But I gotta agree... I hope that the expansion has good story and isn't just a bunch of fighting. I gotta have my roleplaying element! Action takes second place.

[MerinTB]

deathwing200 wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
You could get every movie you want for free . . . how again?
You know someone who works at a studio?  A reviewer who gets screener copies?  Work at a rental store that gives you free rentals?  You've figured out the right combination of sites like Hulu that you have found any movie you want to watch for free legally online?

You have to ask? Really?

I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt. Few people enter an argument about how expensive something is by blatantly stating that they don't pay for that kind of thing anyway.

deathwing200 wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Even if it is one of the above or something similar (and not the torrenting I expect you mean), burning a copy to DVD is piracy.   You are doing something illegal and that really can't be compared with legitimately paying for something.

Oh, drop the holier-than-thou attitude. I don't believe for a second that you or most of the forum users here have not pirated even a single MP3, movie or a game since you started using the internet.

Straw man. I never claimed a holier-than-thou attitude. The fact that file-sharing movies or games or music is illegal isn't a judgment call nor an opinion - regardless of what I might think on the matter of copyright law and copying stuff, the fact is that it is illegal.
On a computer software company's website, in a forum that is free for you but paid for by said company, in a discussion about what is a fair price for a piece of software, you bring up that you don't pay for products that you can obtain illegally. I don't think the suggestion that you'll just download whatever Bioware produces without paying them (that is the logical conclusion one extrapolates from you even bringing up not paying for movies) is productive in the thread nor appropriate in these forums.
But have fun with the warning you'll get from moderators for suggesting such.

deathwing200 wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
AND if you are willing to pirate a movie, there's nothing stopping you from theater hopping or having an employee at the movie theater slip you and your friends/family in through the side door.  You "can" experience movies in the theater for free about as easily as you "can" get movies for free.

You're actually comparing torrenting a movie to sneaking into a theatre? Next thing you'll be comparing piracy to shoplifting. These arguments are always poor to be honest.

No, I'm comparing your argument that people are paying for the experience of going to the theater as opposed to paying for seeing the movie since they can get the movie "for free" which, from my reading, somehow implies that you cannot get the movie-going experience "for free" as well. Both are utilizing products and/or services without paying the accepted fee for said products/services. Both are treating said products/services as if you are entitled to them and as if the work put in by everyone who made the movie isn't worth your money but that you'll benefit from their work regardless.

This isn't an argument, from me, that slipping from one theater is the same as torrenting a movie - my argument is that you saying the movie isn't what people pay for but the going to the theater is what people pay for because the movie is "free" is wrong on so many levels it is ludicrous and I doubt many people will give your argument any merit.

deathwing200 wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Bad comparison?  How about unethical and unconvincing argument?

Once again it's not about ethics. The previous poster argued that "movies provide little entertainment for how much they cost", while I countered that you can potentially get them for free - movie itself is a very small part why most people go to movie theatres. It's all about seeing it on mega screen and socializing with friends/girlfriend/relatives.

No, it's about seeing the movie, otherwise there are cheaper ways to socialize - honestly, sitting in a movie theater is about the worst way to socialize I can imagine since it is dark, you are supposed to be quiet so other patrons can hear the movie, and the movie's volume is so loud that you can't have a good conversation most of the time anyway.
You cannot "potentially" get the movie for free anymore than you can "potentially" get the movie-going experience for free, or a car for free, or a song for free, or a book for free.

This thread is about the cost of the expansion. People are discussing whether they think the price is fair or not. You jumping in and telling everyone that you are going to download the game for free adds nothing to the argument and only gives the company cover for raising the price.

If you don't respect the effort people put forward in making that movie, why should Bioware anticipate that you'll respect their effort in making software that you'll pirate?

[Suilebhain]

I'm not going to read through all 19 pages of people alternating biotching and being fanbois, but I did have something to add.



Think of this as a modder's resource, in addition to the game. What is being offered is a new landmass that can be added to by the modding community. Now what would be nice is that the new and old lands are connected somehow, considering that it is an EXPANSION and not a SEQUEL. Installing Awakening should allow us to visit Denerim or Redcliffe. if not, then it is not an EXPANSION and should be renamed a SEQUEL.



Think in terms of Guild Wars with its three expansions, versus KOTOR with its sequel.

[Whitta]

It boils down to simple economics:



If you don't like the price, don't pay for it. After enough time with no sales at the current price, a new price will be available. Rinse and repeat until your hair is thick and full.



If, however, you just want to complain about the price/amount of content dilemma, I suggest a brick wall. You'll probably get more from it than a company changing it's price over a few lousy complaints.

[Valcutio]

Honestly, I'm still excited. I wish it was 20+ hours, I really do... but I can work with 15. I'll gladly spend 40 dollars on it.



I just wish Morrigan was back in. :-(

[Gvaz]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Guys, Mass Effect's main quest was seventeen hours. Dragon Age's was forty. Think about that before mouthing off from the 'Time = Money' angle.

mass effect took me 55 hours or so to complete the first time, that was doing every single quest in the game

[adembroski11]

Gabochido wrote...

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...
The main DA game required several times more code, money and effort than this expansion did.  Yet it was a very popular product that undoubtedly netted EA a tidy profit. The sales from the main game made up for 5 years' worth of engine development, testing, art, writing and music.

I'm not sure where you got such trustworthy data indicating that EA has made a profit from the sales of DA and that it has made up for the 5 years of develepment and content creation so that you can state it in such a way, but I'm afraid that I don't personally have authority or enough knowledge to confirm or deny your statement.

However, I can tell you something about game development. Not all games are expected to recover the money spent on them based on revenues of the game alone. Many intelectual properties (IPs) have a long term plan that includes additional content, expansions, sequels and other products and often the revenues from the sale value is distributed among these products in ways that are not exactly proportional to their individual development costs. This is done to suit the market and the demand for these products. Sometimes a product that is expensive to produce and has little demand is made just to support an IP in certain markets and make sure the IP has a broader audience, gaining more market and therefore more revenue in the long run.

So don't be surprised if some products seem to have greater value than others as this is often a necessary strategy to keep game development sustainable.

This stuff is starting to mirror what happened with Madden this year when they Tiburon attempted to be as involved in the online community as you guys have been. It wasn't pretty. It's unfortunate because there has been a serious change in the corporate culture at EA over the past few years and it's shown with higher quality products, but it's not showing up on the balance sheet or the average fan's opinion.

Then again, I think the problem is less EA as it is blind hate for all things corporate that an unfortunate number of people these days... it's worse for you than for Tiburon, you've gotta deal with Europeans, where that mentality is more deeply ingrained than it is in the U.S..

[Bryy_Miller]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Guys, Mass Effect's main quest was seventeen hours. Dragon Age's was forty. Think about that before mouthing off from the 'Time = Money' angle.

I'm gussing you just press X all the time without listening to anything.

No. Stop being difficult.

[Rubarack]

Honestly 15 hours for $30 is much more like it. I'd expect it to be actually 15 hours, discounting whatever the heck made Wardens Keep 5 hours of gameplay, multiple game paths, new features and no filler content at that but it's in the region of what I'll pay for this calibre of entertainment. It's still a lot more than the original, but then the original was a total bargain.



If it's 15 hours in the same way Wardens Keep was 5 hours and the main game is 120 hours though then it's a bit of a liberty.



And no in game ads thank you very much.

[Monetep]

15 hours, it may be longer.

[SheffSteel]

No no it is 15 hours because someone read it on the internets. It has been mentioned so many times and everyone wants it to be 15 hours - so that they can complain about poor value for money - therefore 15 hours it is.

Another victory for truthiness.

[Dragon Age1103]

huxley00 wrote...

I will buy it for the 30 bucks for pc and gladly.

lol, you know its not $30 right?

[MerinTB]

The dubiousness of the 15 hours claim was why my poll has it in quotes.



And the word fair as well, as I think the whole question of hours per dollar is ludicrous.

[Bryy_Miller]

GvazElite wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Guys, Mass Effect's main quest was seventeen hours. Dragon Age's was forty. Think about that before mouthing off from the 'Time = Money' angle.

mass effect took me 55 hours or so to complete the first time, that was doing every single quest in the game

That's because you did every single quest. I said main quest.

[Dragon Age1103]

SheffSteel wrote...

No no it is 15 hours because someone read it on the internets. It has been mentioned so many times and everyone wants it to be 15 hours - so that they can complain about poor value for money - therefore 15 hours it is.
Another victory for truthiness.

 Very true, there is NO confirmation what so ever from Bioware that it is about 15 hours but they did Confirm there is a good chance you'll level to the high 30's by the end. So do the math for current xp levels & let me know what ya get!!! lol

[Ticladesign]

I dont have much of a problem that the expansion is $ 40.



I do have a problem that the expansion is € 40.



*sigh* why does the games industry insist on this € 1 = $ 1 concept...

[PiMD360]

I can justify buying DLC, and new games but no way in hell I will spend $40 on an expansion pack for 15 hours of gameplay on a game that is still broken for me on my 360. WTF, give us a fix and I might consider it when it hits GOTY edition and is only worth $5.

[PiMD360]

Ticladesign wrote...

I dont have much of a problem that the expansion is $ 40.

I do have a problem that the expansion is € 40.

*sigh* why does the games industry insist on this € 1 = $ 1 concept...

Just buy an american 360, power convertor (not from Toshi's) and buy the American Games on Amazon.  Still cheaper with shipping than paying with Euros.

[Dragon Age1103]

PiMD360 wrote...

I can justify buying DLC, and new games but no way in hell I will spend $40 on an expansion pack for 15 hours of gameplay on a game that is still broken for me on my 360. WTF, give us a fix and I might consider it when it hits GOTY edition and is only worth $5.

Once again there has been NO confirmation on how long the epxansion is hour wise. Only speculation & rumors being circulated.

[addiction21]

Rubarack wrote...


If it's 15 hours in the same way Wardens Keep was 5 hours and the main game is 120 hours though then it's a bit of a liberty.

I will be waiting for you to provide us where BW stated any of the above times.  Till then your another person that needs to stop bs'ing or listening to random 3rd parties speaking for a corporation they have no ties to.

[goat_fab]

GvazElite wrote...
Generally speaking, most people would finish the game before then. Dragon age: Origins was lauded at what? 120 hours of content? No. If I wasn't ****ing around like I said I was above, I'd probably be done with the game at 70 hours max.

Lmfao! Hahahahahahahahahahaha. I'm sorry, are you people being serious? The average game IS 15 hours of gameplay. For 50-70 dollars. You're paying 30-40 dollars for an average game. Plus, "GvazElite" was COMPLAINING about having a game be 70 HOURS LONG. 70 HOURS. SEVENTY HOURS. 

Stop whining. The price has been set and you'll still buy it. Lmfao, you're acting as if EA/BioWare just took a hot poker and stuck it up someone's bum. "WHAT?! YOU'RE CHARGING ME AN OUTLANDISH FEE TO INCREASE A GAME WHERE I HAD 70 HOURS LOGGED ON ONE PLAYTHROUGH BY ANOTHER 15 HOURS, WITH NEW ALLIES, QUESTS, AND OTHER THINGS?! YOU'RE CHARGING ME FOR VIRTUALLY A BRAND NEW GAME FOR CHEAPER THAN WHAT A NEW GAME WOULD?? How DARE you!"

People, just because it says EXPANSION doesn't mean it needs to be cheap. Grow up. You're the same people who buy a 300-400 dollar piece of technology every few years which is not including controller, game, and internet fees. Lmfao. Y'all are pretty crazy.

[Dragon Age1103]

ah i can see someone felt the need to snap. lol.

I get it though this is getting a little old, I'm sure Bioware is even more sick of it.

Lets repeat since everyone else likes to!!! Bioware in an interview CONFIRMED we will most likely get to HIGH 30's for our level & as of right now there is no set level. In case math is really hard for some 24 was our max level.40-100 hours for 24 levels now he could get 10 or more levels with the expansion so stop freaking out people please!!!!

This is Bioware we're talking about they will deliver

[EonEire]

Add a newgame+ option and I will happily pay €60+ just to get that option alone.

[Tekkaman Saber]

24?
I got my char to 25 though to be fair i did save up and then give away every applicable item I had saved before starting the last segment of the game.
To me it seems that the fifteen hours thing is abit unconfirmed, I would prefer to wait and see what bioware has to say on the matter.

If the game is fifteen hours then I'll wait for it to drop in price, though I doubt bioware would attempt a blatant form of highway robbery afterall.
The chances are they have been working on this expansion while they was finishing Dragonage (or atleast during the half way point.) That's why it may seem like a short time for an expansion to be released because they have been working on it for a while allready and may have had better progress with it than originally intended.

I do wish that bioware would keep some of the spoilers/intended features quiet, afterall releasing to much information such as this and then finding it not in the final content can dissapoint alot of customers....
As an example look at fable as an example.

The question I have to ask is will dlc/exclusive content items be compatible with this expansion.
As an example if my character has warden commander armour and bergens honour then should I be surprised to see my character in her undies when I import her to the expansion?  Or will she be using the items that she had equipped in the prior game?

Will this also apply to the returning character?

Modifié par Tekkaman Saber, 07 janvier 2010 - 10:42 .